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**Old Whatshisname**

... for determining the atmospheric conditions at 10,000 meters in central Arizona.

Temperatures of below -40 deg and a saturated (RH=100%) atmosphere are responsible for persisting aircraft contrails in the evening sky over Mesa, Arizona Sunday evening.

By 8:00 pm MST, the humidity had dropped, and the ice-crystals which make up the contrails quickly sublimed, clearing the sky.

**MrRash**

Kick ass, OWHN. Those really are clear as day. Good job.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 115602 09-24-2012 06:32 AM

LOP : OP is a shill.

Ignore this thread.

Is he expecting us to believe that this "atmospheric condition" is something that those of us older than 20 years old have always seen growing up?

NO, and f*ck NO.

In fact, shame on you OP - you should know better.

It is not a conspiracy, it is scientific fact that those are AEROSOLS, contrails dissipate within a few minutes at most - just like we've witnessed our whole lives.

How dare you insult our intelligence.

Seriously, get your head examined. Those are barium, aluminum aerosols.

Go shill your bullshit on the fox news website or the Mitt Romney page.

**Old Whatshisname**

Well, thanks anyway for the bump!
Bump

**Gods roommate chuggs** · (This post was last modified: 09-24-2012 06:53 AM by Gods roommate chuggs.)

I think I figured out what the chemtrails are. I've often noticed metallic particles on my skin that are there after I notice the chemtrails. These particles reflect light and keep your skin from absorbing the suns energy. Think about it we are basically walking trees and we need sunlight and when you don't get the sunlight or it's distorted by the chemtrails it affects our bodies. Not to mention that breathing this stuff is equally harmful! Just a theory tho but look at the trees in your neighborhood notice that the bark looks ugly and unnatural if the chemtrails are doing this to the trees imagine what it's doing to our skin!

**Old Whatshisname**

Magnetic Night 13 Wrote:

I think I figured out what the chemtrails are. I've often noticed metallic particles on my skin that are there after I notice the chemtrails. These particles reflect light and keep your skin from absorbing the suns energy. Think about it we are basically walking trees and we need sunlight and when you don't get the sunlight or it's distorted by the chemtrails it affects our bodies. Not to mention that breathing this stuff is equally harmful! Just a theory tho but look at the trees in your neighborhood notice that the bark looks ugly and unnatural if the chemtrails are doing this to the trees imagine what it's doing to our skin!

That's an interesting theory, but if there were metallic particles in the contrails, then they'd reflect radar waves, and the contrails would show up on the weather radar when you watch the weather channel.

But if you watch the weather report, you don't see the contrails on the radar, even though the weather radar is sensitive enough to tell the difference between rain and clouds and snow.

This is the same reasons why you can tell there isn't any aluminum in the contrails either, because if there were, the aluminum would show up on the radar.

~~SepticSheepherder~~

Old Whatshisname Wrote:

Magnetic Night 13 Wrote:
I think I figured out what the chemtrails are. I've often noticed metallic particles on my skin that are there after I notice the chemtrails. These particles reflect light and keep your skin from absorbing the suns energy. Think about it we are basically walking trees and we need sunlight and when you don't get the sunlight or it's distorted by the chemtrails it affects our bodies. Not to mention that breathing this stuff is equally harmful! Just a theory tho but look at the trees in your neighborhood notice that the bark looks ugly and unnatural if the chemtrails are doing this to the trees imagine what it's doing to our skin!

That's an interesting theory, but if there were metallic particles in the contrails, then they'd reflect radar waves, and the contrails would show up on the weather radar when you watch the weather channel.

But if you watch the weather report, you don't see the contrails on the radar, even though the weather radar is sensitive enough to tell the difference between rain and clouds and snow.

This is the same reasons why you can tell there isn't any aluminum in the contrails either, because if there were, the aluminum would show up on the radar.

How do you explain stop and go contrails coming from the same plane then? Why do some last for up to 8 hours? Why do they expand into thin murky clouds?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 84366 09-24-2012 07:42 AM

Hey OP, are you willing to admit that both contrails and chemtrails are occuring simultaneously? Because I get the contrail theory, and I do believe it occurs. But I also believe aircraft are chemtrailing. The evidence is pretty clear. Not to mention, you are old enough that you should remember the skies of your youth were a good deal different than they are today. When I was growing up in the late seventies and through the eighties I never witnessed the level of trails that we see today. Do you not remember? I sure in the hell do. If you could only admit that this is happening at least on a small scale it would be quite a breakthrough for you. But I don't think you have it in you.

**Old Whatshisname** · (This post was last modified: 09-24-2012 08:10 AM by Old Whatshisname.)

SepticSheepherder Wrote:

How do you explain stop and go contrails coming from the same plane then? Why do some last for up to 8 hours? Why do they expand into thin murky clouds?

Good questions; let me take them one at a time:

"stop-and-go" contrails" We know that ice crystals (which is what contrails are) do one of two things depending on the conditions. If the temperature is below -40 deg and the relative humidity is 100% or greater, the ice-crystals (contrails) will persist. If it's above -40 deg or the RH is less than 100%, the ice will sublime (go direct from solid to vapor, like dry ice does at room temperature) right away.

Now the atmosphere at any one time is not uniform (if it were, we wouldn't have clouds in one area and no clouds right next to them). If an aircraft passes through a patch of sky where the temperature is just one degree higher than -40 or the relative humidity drops just a couple of percent, the ice crystals in that particular patch of sky will dissipate almost at once, and you will have a break in the contrail.

"Why do some last for up to 8 hours?" they will do that only if the temperature stays below -40 degrees and the humidity stays saturated (100% or more). In those conditions, there's not enough warmth or dryness to make the ice crystals sublime so they just hang there like cirrus clouds (which is all that cirrus clouds are, anyway: ice clouds). Usually, though, even a persistent contrail sublimes after 3 or 4 hours; it depends on the weather conditions.

"Why do they expand into thin murky clouds?" I said that a hundred percent humidity is one of the things that you need for a contrail to persist (the other thing is low temperature). But you can have conditions where the relative humidity is more than 100%; in other words, the atmosphere is supersaturated.

In this case, the ice crystals from the contrail act as 'seed crystals' and the supersaturated moisture in the air collects around these ice crystals and they turn into more ice crystals, which in turn, act as 'seed crystals' for still more clear (but very saturated) air; sometimes, if the conditions are right, a contrail will turn into a cirrus cloud that can cover most of the sky.

By the way, I remember talking to someone who believed that contrails were deliberately sprayed, and I asked her what she though caused the stop-and-go contrails to form. She said that maybe the nozzles in the "chem-sprayers" got clogged up!

**Old Whatshisname**

Strategos Wrote:

er.... derka derka mohamad jihad?

That's a new argument for the'chem-trail" hypotheses; I'm not familiar with it.

**Old Whatshisname** · (This post was last modified: 09-24-2012 08:09 AM by Old Whatshisname.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

Hey OP, are you willing to admit that both contrails and chemtrails are occuring simultaneously? Because I get the contrail theory, and I do believe it occurs. But I also believe aircraft are chemtrailing. The evidence is pretty clear. Not to mention, you are old enough that you should remember the skies of your youth were a good deal different than they are today. When I was growing up in the late seventies and through the eighties I never witnessed the level of trails that we see today. Do you not remember? I sure in the hell do. If you could only admit that this is happening at least on a small scale it would be quite a breakthrough for you. But I don't think you have it in you.

I don't see any reason to believe that contrails are anything more than contrails. If you do have any evidence that some aircraft contrails are the result of a secret spraying plot, I'd be happy to look at it. So far, though, the only 'evidence' I've seen for a 'Secret Spraying Plot' are YouTube videos from other conspiracy web-sites.

As far as the increase in contrails goes, you are right; there are a lot more contrails than there were before.

Part of the reason, though, is that, since airline deregulation, a lot of smaller airlines have sprung up and now theer are a lot more aircraft in the sky than there were 30 years ago.

Also, most of the regionals which used to fly turboprops have changed to high-bypass turbofans which fly higher and pump out a lot more water vapor, which, at the higher altitudes these regionals fly, turns into ice crystals which can (and do) persist a lot more.

**Ransom** lop guest User ID: 119709 09-24-2012 08:58 AM

Wow, talk about beating a dead horse.

That one star was from me.

**need to know 9**

**Old Whatshisname**

need to know 9 Wrote:

You gotta admit my contrail pictures are prettier!

**Eclectric**

Cloud seeding, debatable on success.

Belief in chemtrails makes no sense to me.