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**Devout Agnostic**

This seems like a good thread to start on the night shift.

I come from Western Washington, very liberal area, but also rural to a large degree. I didn't grow up around guns, and dont know a lot about them. I live in Texas now, shit is getting crazy and I live a few blocks from the ghetto, so self defense is getting higher on the priority list. Like most people, I don't have a lot of money, so my research has led me to conclude that .22s are the best bet for value and versatility. Rifles could be used to hunt small to medium game, and with ammo at a nickel apiece and 10 round capacity for a pistol, who cares about stopping power? Just unload, i can't believe that the shock of getting shot 10 times with a smaller caliber would be less effective than 3 of a higher, and plus you increase the odds of a lethal shot every time. For "civil" defense, the more the better, right? 2,000 rounds for less than a hundred dollars is very attractive.

Looks like there's plenty of good options for rifles, but for a pistol, I like the Ruger MK II.
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Any thoughts? Disagreements? I welcome any and all ideas.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 64729 04-23-2012 08:32 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-Djb8JSP...dyRF3HPVEw

**Chawlee**

Unloadin' with a 22 costs about the same as one round from my 44 mag

**DrongoDingo**

i prefer this gun

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**Chawlee**

TimeLord1965 Wrote:

i prefer this gun

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 64729 04-23-2012 08:42 AM

I prefer to carry this weapon concealed everyday! Its the most deadly instrument of death allowed by law on earth..

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-j5wyhRFz43k/T2.../brain.jpg

**Devout Agnostic**

LoP Guest Wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-Djb8JSP...dyRF3HPVEw

Interesting, but in terms of home defense, you're never going to be more than 10 or fifteen feet from an invader (at least in my house). Wouldnt the body go into shock after a certain number of hits, even from a 22?

**Zero Point**

Devout Agnostic Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-Djb8JSP...dyRF3HPVEw

Interesting, but in terms of home defense, you're never going to be more than 10 or fifteen feet from an invader (at least in my house). Wouldnt the body go into shock after a certain number of hits, even from a 22?

Depends of the level of meth tolerance I guess?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 64729 04-23-2012 08:50 AM

Devout Agnostic Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-Djb8JSP...dyRF3HPVEw

Interesting, but in terms of home defense, you're never going to be more than 10 or fifteen feet from an invader (at least in my house). Wouldnt the body go into shock after a certain number of hits, even from a 22?

Your body.....

If a killer squirrel enters your home in the dead of night, You will be ready.

You know what works in Texas, get a large jar of KY Jelly and or a bull whip
Cause there aint nothin but steers and queers in Texas... chuckle

**MR2**

Zero Point Wrote:

Devout Agnostic Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-Djb8JSP...dyRF3HPVEw

Interesting, but in terms of home defense, you're never going to be more than 10 or fifteen feet from an invader (at least in my house). Wouldnt the body go into shock after a certain number of hits, even from a 22?

Depends of the level of meth tolerance I guess?

I've been to a couple of shooting scenes, and It's surprising how much it can take to kill someone, but how little it can take (sometimes) to stop them.

**Free Range Humans**

Devout Agnostic Wrote:

This seems like a good thread to start on the night shift.

I come from Western Washington, very liberal area, but also rural to a large degree. I didn't grow up around guns, and dont know a lot about them. I live in Texas now, shit is getting crazy and I live a few blocks from the ghetto, so self defense is getting higher on the priority list. Like most people, I don't have a lot of money, so my research has led me to conclude that .22s are the best bet for value and versatility. Rifles could be used to hunt small to medium game, and with ammo at a nickel apiece and 10 round capacity for a pistol, who cares about stopping power? Just unload, i can't believe that the shock of getting shot 10 times with a smaller caliber would be less effective than 3 of a higher, and plus you increase the odds of a lethal shot every time. For "civil" defense, the more the better, right? 2,000 rounds for less than a hundred dollars is very attractive.

Looks like there's plenty of good options for rifles, but for a pistol, I like the Ruger MK II.

Any thoughts? Disagreements? I welcome any and all ideas.

Ruger Mk II/III and Ruger 1022 are the most underrated firearms on the market. You would be better off with a 22lr and 10 hicap mags for each than buying something you could barely afford to shoot.

22lr is fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7CPUu8CKk8

22lr can be letrhal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAkOzr6cDx0

22lr stops zombies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OHXzX8T5ew

22lr can be made very quiet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj9gyAoqmQ0

22lr can make guacamole at 200 yards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g7r_JiZNUA

**Zero Point**

MR2 Wrote:

Zero Point Wrote:
Devout Agnostic Wrote:
Interesting, but in terms of home defense, you're never going to be more than 10 or fifteen feet from an invader (at least in my house). Wouldnt the body go into shock after a certain number of hits, even from a 22?

Depends of the level of meth tolerance I guess?

I've been to a couple of shooting scenes, and It's surprising how much it can take to kill someone, but how little it can take (sometimes) to stop them.

Man, I reckon unless you got lucky, all those stinging little slaps would just piss you off and make you run AT the guy in close quarters.
For a handgun, to kill people? I reckon you'd want something bigger than that.
Not that I know shit all about it really chuckle

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 64729 04-23-2012 09:03 AM

Zero Point Wrote:

MR2 Wrote:
Zero Point Wrote:
Depends of the level of meth tolerance I guess?

I've been to a couple of shooting scenes, and It's surprising how much it can take to kill someone, but how little it can take (sometimes) to stop them.

Man, I reckon unless you got lucky, all those stinging little slaps would just piss you off and make you run AT the guy in close quarters.
For a handgun, to kill people? I reckon you'd want something bigger than that.
Not that I know shit all about it really

A can of Wasp Spray would be better then a .22

**Free Range Humans** · (This post was last modified: 04-23-2012 09:11 AM by Free Range Humans.)

With good ammo and magazines the Ruger Mk II/III is the most reliable and durable semi-auto 22lr pistol ever made.

I own several and none of them are "trouble free" except my Rugers.

A rather gruesome bit of trivia: The most recent psychotic school shooting rampage was carried out with a Ruger target pistol and it proved to be quite lethal in the hands of a sick kid who spent long afternoons behind the barn dreaming about shooting the bullies at his school while plinking at empty cans of Mountain Dew.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 64729 04-23-2012 09:05 AM

This is what a .50 cal does...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v0vl6iTlC4