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The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
Stormson
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Post: #181
RE: The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
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Currahee  Wrote: (07-23-2012 10:07 PM)
How come military aircraft never leave long lasting vapor trails?





Ttpcmasm

I dont know how old OP is.. Or most of you for that matter.. But when I was a child I was FASCINATED by the sky. Both day and night. We didnt HAVE nintendo, cable TV and the internet.. We had woods and mountains, streams and SKY..

I am only 44. But even when I was young, the trails, and I saw THOUSANDS... Never lasted. The ONLY time they lasted long at all was when the sky was already clouding up... On a typical day, they would be only a little past the craft and then gone. Maybe 3-4 times whatever size the aircraft appeared to be at such height. Today it is EXACTLY opposite.. Today a bright, clear sunny day will be TURNED to clouds by the crossing of airplanes.

SOMETHING has changed and changed dramatically... Shrugs..

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I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ
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Post: #182
RE: The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:31 AM)
@ Kill..

Clip some of it. I never read anything unless the poster is willing to clip something out.

(Unless you can't)

Question


Can you please debunk the chemtrail theory? People I know are falling for it.

The discussion of chemtrails (chemical trails) in Wikipedia begins: “The chemtrail conspiracy theory holds that some contrails (condensation trails) are actually chemicals or biological agents deliberately sprayed at high altitudes for a purpose undisclosed to the general public. Versions of the chemtrail conspiracy theory circulating on the internet and radio talk shows theorize that the activity is directed by government officials. As a result, federal agencies have received thousands of complaints from people who have demanded an explanation. The existence of chemtrails has been repeatedly denied by government agencies and scientists around the world. The United States Air Force has stated that the theory is a hoax which "has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations, and major media publications". I am not sure what more can be said. Everyone has seen lots of airplane contrails, which are condensation of water vapor (formation of fog) that can be induced either by the exhaust from airplane jet engines or (under some conditions) by the compression and expansion of air as is passes over a plane wing. Depending on stratospheric conditions, a contrail can persist for only a few seconds up to many minutes after the plane passes over. A handful of conspiracy nuts have invented an evil interpretation of this common aspect of modern air travel, which has been circulating on the Internet since about 1996. I say “nuts” because it must take a strange mind to conclude without any credible evidence that this natural phenomenon is really part of an international government conspiracy to spray poisons into our atmosphere. See the Wikipedia article for more details and many references. There is an on-line fact sheet published by several government agencies, including EPA, NOAA, and NASA (EPA430-F-00-005, September 2000, posted at http://www.epa.gov).

David Morrison
NAI Senior Scientist
May 29, 2009

http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astr...n/?id=6031
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SuzieQ
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07-25-2012 03:34 AM

 



Post: #183
RE: The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:21 AM)
SuzieQ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:17 AM)
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:08 AM)
I really dont care what fantasy you believe anymore have fun with it.......



So, you get your chemtrail debunking information from an Israeli run website that debunks every known conspiracy out there.... and btw your source "debunks" Christianity..... and that's all you've got to say? That's pretty lame. chuckle

I just dont care what you believe..........better to be lame then insane

Nice personal attack.
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Post: #184
RE: The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
Stormson  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:32 AM)
Currahee  Wrote: (07-23-2012 10:07 PM)
How come military aircraft never leave long lasting vapor trails?





Ttpcmasm

I dont know how old OP is.. Or most of you for that matter.. But when I was a child I was FASCINATED by the sky. Both day and night. We didnt HAVE nintendo, cable TV and the internet.. We had woods and mountains, streams and SKY..

I am only 44. But even when I was young, the trails, and I saw THOUSANDS... Never lasted. The ONLY time they lasted long at all was when the sky was already clouding up... On a typical day, they would be only a little past the craft and then gone. Maybe 3-4 times whatever size the aircraft appeared to be at such height. Today it is EXACTLY opposite.. Today a bright, clear sunny day will be TURNED to clouds by the crossing of airplanes.

SOMETHING has changed and changed dramatically... Shrugs..

I'm 51 and understand completely.
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Post: #185
RE: The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
SuzieQ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:34 AM)
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:21 AM)
SuzieQ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:17 AM)
So, you get your chemtrail debunking information from an Israeli run website that debunks every known conspiracy out there.... and btw your source "debunks" Christianity..... and that's all you've got to say? That's pretty lame. chuckle

I just dont care what you believe..........better to be lame then insane

Nice personal attack.

you called me lame
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RedShift
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Post: #186
RE: The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:39 AM)
SuzieQ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:34 AM)
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:21 AM)
I just dont care what you believe..........better to be lame then insane

Nice personal attack.

you called me lame

It's only an attack when it's against her. Have you seen the things she and her cohorts call the user CooterBrown not to mention OldWhatsHisName?

Ffeskfbd
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Post: #187
RE: The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
RedShift  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:41 AM)
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:39 AM)
SuzieQ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:34 AM)
Nice personal attack.

you called me lame

It's only an attack when it's against her. Have you seen the things she and her cohorts call the user CooterBrown not to mention OldWhatsHisName?

Ffeskfbd

I know but didnt wana go about look for them
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SuzieQ
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Post: #188
RE: The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:39 AM)
SuzieQ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:34 AM)
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:21 AM)
I just dont care what you believe..........better to be lame then insane

Nice personal attack.

you called me lame

I said, "So, you get your chemtrail debunking information from an Israeli run website that debunks every known conspiracy out there.... and btw your source "debunks" Christianity..... and that's all you've got to say? That's pretty lame."

There's a big difference in saying what someone else said as being "lame" and calling someone insane.
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Post: #189
RE: The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
SuzieQ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:44 AM)
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:39 AM)
SuzieQ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:34 AM)
Nice personal attack.

you called me lame

I said, "So, you get your chemtrail debunking information from an Israeli run website that debunks every known conspiracy out there.... and btw your source "debunks" Christianity..... and that's all you've got to say? That's pretty lame."

There's a big difference in saying what someone else said as being "lame" and calling someone insane.

ok you're not insane I apologize
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Luvapottamus
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Post: #190
RE: The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:34 AM)
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:31 AM)
@ Kill..

Clip some of it. I never read anything unless the poster is willing to clip something out.

(Unless you can't)

Question


Can you please debunk the chemtrail theory? People I know are falling for it.

The discussion of chemtrails (chemical trails) in Wikipedia begins: “The chemtrail conspiracy theory holds that some contrails (condensation trails) are actually chemicals or biological agents deliberately sprayed at high altitudes for a purpose undisclosed to the general public. Versions of the chemtrail conspiracy theory circulating on the internet and radio talk shows theorize that the activity is directed by government officials. As a result, federal agencies have received thousands of complaints from people who have demanded an explanation. The existence of chemtrails has been repeatedly denied by government agencies and scientists around the world. The United States Air Force has stated that the theory is a hoax which "has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations, and major media publications". I am not sure what more can be said. Everyone has seen lots of airplane contrails, which are condensation of water vapor (formation of fog) that can be induced either by the exhaust from airplane jet engines or (under some conditions) by the compression and expansion of air as is passes over a plane wing. Depending on stratospheric conditions, a contrail can persist for only a few seconds up to many minutes after the plane passes over. A handful of conspiracy nuts have invented an evil interpretation of this common aspect of modern air travel, which has been circulating on the Internet since about 1996. I say “nuts” because it must take a strange mind to conclude without any credible evidence that this natural phenomenon is really part of an international government conspiracy to spray poisons into our atmosphere. See the Wikipedia article for more details and many references. There is an on-line fact sheet published by several government agencies, including EPA, NOAA, and NASA (EPA430-F-00-005, September 2000, posted at http://www.epa.gov).

David Morrison
NAI Senior Scientist
May 29, 2009

http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astr...n/?id=6031

I read what you posted earlier.

It's immaterial.

This guy is giving opinions on stuff I don't care about.

And this an appeal to authority fallacy.

I don't care what percentage of climate scientists think global warming is anthropogenic.

chuckle

It's not that I don't care if we have global warming or if we do whether if it's anthropogenic or not.

I want proof.

And you should too, regarding the chemtrail conspiracy theory.

I don't think I've proven it yet.

I've posted about it, but I don't claim I've proven it.

And when I do make my case. it'll likely come with this caveat:

"This is my best case evidence: I don't claim I have proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt, now have fun picking it apart."

Heartflowers

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Nationalize monetary policy at the FED, reinstate Greenbacks.
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Momar
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RE: The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
The gov'mnt and mainstream media say chemtrails don't exist? DEBUNKED
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Post: #192
RE: The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:46 AM)
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:34 AM)
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:31 AM)
@ Kill..

Clip some of it. I never read anything unless the poster is willing to clip something out.

(Unless you can't)

Question


Can you please debunk the chemtrail theory? People I know are falling for it.

The discussion of chemtrails (chemical trails) in Wikipedia begins: “The chemtrail conspiracy theory holds that some contrails (condensation trails) are actually chemicals or biological agents deliberately sprayed at high altitudes for a purpose undisclosed to the general public. Versions of the chemtrail conspiracy theory circulating on the internet and radio talk shows theorize that the activity is directed by government officials. As a result, federal agencies have received thousands of complaints from people who have demanded an explanation. The existence of chemtrails has been repeatedly denied by government agencies and scientists around the world. The United States Air Force has stated that the theory is a hoax which "has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations, and major media publications". I am not sure what more can be said. Everyone has seen lots of airplane contrails, which are condensation of water vapor (formation of fog) that can be induced either by the exhaust from airplane jet engines or (under some conditions) by the compression and expansion of air as is passes over a plane wing. Depending on stratospheric conditions, a contrail can persist for only a few seconds up to many minutes after the plane passes over. A handful of conspiracy nuts have invented an evil interpretation of this common aspect of modern air travel, which has been circulating on the Internet since about 1996. I say “nuts” because it must take a strange mind to conclude without any credible evidence that this natural phenomenon is really part of an international government conspiracy to spray poisons into our atmosphere. See the Wikipedia article for more details and many references. There is an on-line fact sheet published by several government agencies, including EPA, NOAA, and NASA (EPA430-F-00-005, September 2000, posted at http://www.epa.gov).

David Morrison
NAI Senior Scientist
May 29, 2009

http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astr...n/?id=6031

I read what you posted earlier.

It's immaterial.

This guy is giving opinions on stuff I don't care about.

And this an appeal to authority fallacy.

I don't care what percentage of climate scientists think global warming is anthropogenic.

chuckle

It's not that I don't care if we have global warming or if we do whether if it's anthropogenic or not.

I want proof.

And you should too, regarding the chemtrail conspiracy theory.

I don't think I've proven it yet.

I've posted about it, but I don't claim I've proven it.

And when I do make my case. it'll likely come with this caveat:

"This is my best case evidence: I don't claim I have proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt, now have fun picking it apart."

Heartflowers

The thing is you can believe they exist(you know more then most people here about the burden of proof)but if you say they do for sure you have to prove it(not U just in general)
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Post: #193
RE: The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:52 AM)
The thing is you can believe they exist(you know more then most people here about the burden of proof)but if you say they do for sure you have to prove it(not U just in general)

Sure I have to provide proof. To convince YOU.

But I don't always do that. A lot of times I say something is true, and I assume you're gonna decide for yourself.

Like all my banking stuff. I build a case for it. I don't give out a disclaimer that I might be wrong.

Of course I might be wrong.

chuckle

Cheers

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Nationalize monetary policy at the FED, reinstate Greenbacks.
Wall Street Sales Tax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb5OQUElilo
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dedhead66
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Post: #194
RE: The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
Old Whatshisname  Wrote: (07-23-2012 11:23 PM)
I don't know how planes like the B-2 minimize contrails or even if they do. I do know that both of them are designed to mask radar and IR signatures, and probably have some other trick up their sleeve.

But think about it, Currahee: if there [b]were such a thing as "chem-trails", why wouldn't the government mask all those contrails like you say the military aircraft do? I mean, wouldn't that help to keep the people from finding out about the "plot"?[/b]

I am a little late to the party so this may have been addressed before. Let me also state that I am still on the fence on this issue although I am leaning towards chemtrails being real and a part of gov't controlled weather modification.

One of the theories of chemtrails is that they help prevent solar radiation from reaching the Earth, thus helping to combat global warming. In this instance, having invisible chemtrails would defeat the purpose of having chemtrails in the first place. It is the visible part of the trails that block the suns rays.

"In the US, there is basically one party -- the business party. It has two factions, called Democrats and Republicans, which are somewhat different but carry out variations on the same policies. By and large, I am opposed to those policies. As is most of the population."Noam Chomsky
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Post: #195
RE: The Chemtrail Conspiracy Debunked
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:58 AM)
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote: (07-25-2012 03:52 AM)
The thing is you can believe they exist(you know more then most people here about the burden of proof)but if you say they do for sure you have to prove it(not U just in general)

Sure I have to provide proof. To convince YOU.

But I don't always do that. A lot of times I say something is true, and I assume you're gonna decide for yourself.

Like all my banking stuff. I build a case for it. I don't give out a disclaimer that I might be wrong.

Of course I might be wrong.

chuckle

Cheers

Exactly IDC what anyone believes but if you make a statement as if its a fact then prove it, thats all I am saying.
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