Post: #46

Many different medium sized cellars at different woods should do the trick.

Post: #47

Anonymous Gal  Wrote:

First off, this article indeed has it's bottom line to fill as well, stocking up 'at home', check the links.

Secondly, people have lived off the land for millenia, it IS possible. And in the end, even if your're held up in your home with provisions to last for a few years, you are just as likely to be plundered by vagabonds and others, in a crisis situation, who go from house to house looking for all the goodies one may have stored up there.

Yes, hold out as long as you can, but it may become imperative to leave said home. Communication with friends and family go hand in hand, bee-bopping between these other homes, until finally, one may have to head into the woods. Seriously, all Native peoples around the world have and many still do, do it today, to say it is impossible is bollocks! And if that is a scenario, however far-fetched, every one of us should learn how to live this way, just in case!

Ever watch the show Survivorman?
I suggest you check it out. The dude is an expert in survival, and yet most of the episodes where he lives a week out in the wild, or 10 days, most of the time he literally starves, or eats grass and berries.

I would like to see how well most couch potato americans live off the land whereas most of them have zero training or skills.

Post: #48

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Anonymous Gal  Wrote:

First off, this article indeed has it's bottom line to fill as well, stocking up 'at home', check the links.

Secondly, people have lived off the land for millenia, it IS possible. And in the end, even if your're held up in your home with provisions to last for a few years, you are just as likely to be plundered by vagabonds and others, in a crisis situation, who go from house to house looking for all the goodies one may have stored up there.

Yes, hold out as long as you can, but it may become imperative to leave said home. Communication with friends and family go hand in hand, bee-bopping between these other homes, until finally, one may have to head into the woods. Seriously, all Native peoples around the world have and many still do, do it today, to say it is impossible is bollocks! And if that is a scenario, however far-fetched, every one of us should learn how to live this way, just in case!

Ever watch the show Survivorman?
I suggest you check it out. The dude is an expert in survival, and yet most of the episodes where he lives a week out in the wild, or 10 days, most of the time he literally starves, or eats grass and berries.

I would like to see how well most couch potato americans live off the land whereas most of them have zero training or skills.

Love watching, Les!

Post: #49

Be flexible......be prepared to bug in or out......I have a place in the country and a place in the city.....both are stocked....the city ain't doable if the emergency is going to last more than 3 months.....I can stay and play for 6 months of low intensity doom in the city or load and go if its worse.....

Post: #50

Seems the author has never heard of flood.

Or wildfire.

Or locusts.

Or building damaging earthquakes.

Or epidemic.

I could go on and on but author tard is gonna die at home so thats one more not to have to deal with.

Post: #51

mstra  Wrote:

My congrats to the author; this is without doubt the shallowest and stupidest essay on survival I have ever read, made even more shallow and stupid by inferring that those who advocate for "bugging out" are only trying to sell you something.

What is the first rule of bugging out? Having a better, safer, and more survivable place already picked out and set up. As every writer on the subject I have read emphasizes. And WTF is with leaving your family behind and ruining your credit rating?

The kindest thing I could say is that it's a pretty good government propaganda piece to keep the sheep from thinking about leaving when roundup time comes around.

Agree with Frigg's reply and your common-sense criticism of this post -- bolded what I think is a strong rebuttal.

The author seems to think bugging-out is a whim. Assumes that people will just grab some stuff and leave their job, home, and current lives behind them to go camping permanently. This is not what is meant by bugging-out (except to the uninformed or woefully unprepared).
I will try to illustrate the fallacy of the post's argument by providing some details that counter the claim that "bugging-out" is wrong or a bad decision, by putting it in the context of situations that require it, and providing a little of the planning and rationale that should occur. And that bugging-out means going to a safer location.

The reason for "bugging out" is that one's current location has clearly become dangerously unsafe. A very strong potential for imminent danger to oneself and/or family. This danger is serious enough, and will last long enough to make staying more hazardous than leaving. Bugging-out is an informed decision undertaken for reasons of safety and survival.

A bug-out is retreat to a safer place that is far-removed from the immediate danger at the current location. A place that has shelter, water, and some basic necessities -- or a place that these can be easily procured and set-up.
A bug-out location could be anything from a friends home in the mountains, to a sheltered spot close to a river with plenty of raw materials, to a million-dollar bunker. It is the best one can plan for and has the means and ability to make happen in advance.

The ability to leave must also be factored into a decision to bug-out. Roads still open, check-points, bridges, route unobstructed?

An outspoken activist with young children living in a densely populated area but has a great bug-out location might choose to leave when things are beginning to look bleak, and potentially dangerous.
An autonomous group already living in a self-sufficient set-up might not have to bug-out ever, or until some overwhelming contingency is threatening to overcome their retreat.
Its awareness.

Yes, bugging-out means leaving almost everything but the basic necessities behind. At least at one's current location, you can't bring everything with you. That's why your retreat has some supplies or as many basic necessities at hand as possible. It should be carefully selected with this and safety in mind.

At some point in a shtf situation (natural disaster or man-made) it will become apparent that staying is more dangerous than leaving. It will depend on each persons available information on the current situation, ability, preparedness, skills, quality of retreat site, safe path to location, and every possible contingency knowable; these should be pre-assessed, well-considered, ongoing and continually updated.

Loss of social order consisting of nearby shootings, round-ups, riots, stores looted, deliveries interrupted, electronic exchanges down, flash mobs, loss of utilities, imminent martial law, war, and other contingencies are part of the danger assessment in the determination decision to bug-out.

There is a breaking point in any collapse or disaster scenario, it will be when the situation has exceeded immediate recovery possibilities. It might be instantly such as a major earthquake, or gradual but undeniably approaching danger that must be avoided and that requires relocation.
Electricity or water supply cut off for more than a few days, when stores are emptying, unrest growing, and the possibility of restoring order in a timely manner has past. It is crucial to be ready to leave when the breaking point has arrived. Otherwise, being stranded in a large populated area full of desperate people with no recovery in sight can quickly devolve into a nightmare scenario.

Bugging-out will be roughing it to a certain extent, that is the whole idea. Otherwise one would already live in their bug-out location, right?

A responsible person with an awareness of current events and a desire to avoid potential danger should have a contingency plan.
I find the advice and description of bugging-out presented by this author purposely misleading and negligent.

Post: #52

I'm bugging in. And as a last resort going to my relatives in the wilds of PA. Got my bug out-deluxe 1950's heavy duty baby carriage to carry to a lot of stuff as one option and my solid inner tubed tired bicycle with lot of saddle bags in case I got to go faster.

In them zombie novels the people leaving at the last minute get stuck in monumental traffic jams caused by panicked accidents or just plain running out of gas. They become canned sausages.

But wherever people go with the exception of some areas like in the Midwest (Midwest now dominated by corporation farms?) there just is not enough food in most areas to support the population if food deliveries are cut back or off. Seems like a lot of gov. police has been to create such a situation.

Also in the sticks mostly not enough fish and game to support the locals let alone the refugees.

This is why in the novel "One Second After" the author believes that with just with a EMP attack alone on the US most people are going to die.

Ain't the hardest thing in the world for half the people to put back a years supply of food if they concentrate on rice, beans, dried peas, etc.
Talking about stuff nutritious but not that expensive. Electric out? Cooking with a steel pressure cooker and stove you have fuel for like coal or wood or kero -

Post: #53

I don't know why everyone considers the situation ending up of being a refugee, or leaving in exile to another land to be ridiculous. History bears out that very problem over and over.

Look at the people in Africa today. Look as the Syrians, they are leaving for Turkey and anywhere else there is safety. Don't think it can't happen here, at least in some areas.

I believe you have to prepare for all contingencies...short-term local disaster, long-term local community support, bug-out from local areas and leaving forever.

You just do not know how disaster and doom will play out for you. You can fantasize about it all you want but fantasy rarely matches up to reality.

Post: #54

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Enaid  Wrote:

It all depends upon the scenario.

Where I live - I bug out when a hurricane or bad nor'easter rips thru.

East coast tsunami - I'm prob dead.

Rioting - I'm going to the nearest guarded military space. (3 blocks, 2 miles, 3 miles)

etc

Living near a base is not a good thing.
I live in southern maryland, surrounded by bases. If there was ever a nuclear war, we are screwed.

Not to mention, if the military declared martial law, that means they can take whatever the f*ck they want legally. That includes your food and possessions.

If the I plan to get to my folks home in rural western PA, where i grew up, there is plenty of land there for farming and hunting.

The main reason I would go to a military base is - if there is ethnic rioting.
If DC - got nuked - I'd die shortly thereafter.

I've got several different plans for various events.

Post: #55

Post: #56

mstra  Wrote:

My congrats to the author; this is without doubt the shallowest and stupidest essay on survival I have ever read, made even more shallow and stupid by inferring that those who advocate for "bugging out" are only trying to sell you something.

What is the first rule of bugging out? Having a better, safer, and more survivable place already picked out and set up. As every writer on the subject I have read emphasizes. And WTF is with leaving your family behind and ruining your credit rating?

The kindest thing I could say is that it's a pretty good government propaganda piece to keep the sheep from thinking about leaving when roundup time comes around.

Exactly.

"Did you know that if you abandon the system, then the system will also abandon you? Nobody much talks about this point, but it is true. You will find yourself outside of society, unhelped and unhelpable, unknown, disconnected and even hated for being what you have now become. With no address, connections, no references, no family or friends, nothing with which to help connect you back into society, society will turn its back upon you in fear, and you will be outside of all normal channels of help and assistance, effectively cut off."


Did that scare you all? Propaganda to make you fearfull.

Post: #57

Well when the time comes to choose between bugging out and death, the choice should be rather easy.

Post: #58

Bugging out really depends on your location, say Minneapolis versus my rural house in a town of less than 300 in SW Minnesota. I have no need to bug out when there are so many resources near town and the town is over 90 miles from any large (<50,000) population center. I can garden on my own property and raise enough to live on for a year. I am adding some chickens next year as soon as I get the variance for the coop (neighbor a block over has 12 chickens so I don't see it being a problem).

Post: #59

Yes please, do not leave your homes in event of societal breakdown! FEMA will be at your home shortly too "relocate" you too their very "safe" facilities.... What a tool the author of this article is!

f*ck it, I will be taking my chances with the lions and bear's. generations before us were perfectly capable of it. and guess what? That genetic memory is in your DNA! We humans are MORE suited too survival in our NATURAL element than this FAKE society people seem too think they NEED! HA what a joke

Post: #60

LoP Guest  Wrote:

mstra  Wrote:

My congrats to the author; this is without doubt the shallowest and stupidest essay on survival I have ever read, made even more shallow and stupid by inferring that those who advocate for "bugging out" are only trying to sell you something.

What is the first rule of bugging out? Having a better, safer, and more survivable place already picked out and set up. As every writer on the subject I have read emphasizes. And WTF is with leaving your family behind and ruining your credit rating?

The kindest thing I could say is that it's a pretty good government propaganda piece to keep the sheep from thinking about leaving when roundup time comes around.

Exactly.

"Did you know that if you abandon the system, then the system will also abandon you? Nobody much talks about this point, but it is true. You will find yourself outside of society, unhelped and unhelpable, unknown, disconnected and even hated for being what you have now become. With no address, connections, no references, no family or friends, nothing with which to help connect you back into society, society will turn its back upon you in fear, and you will be outside of all normal channels of help and assistance, effectively cut off."


Did that scare you all? Propaganda to make you fearfull.

It shouldn't scare anyone, it only proves the point that something has failed in this world and it is easier to live in peace and with family and friends then to live with litterally stupid people by the millions, you either keep eating from the hand that feeds you or you go and find some grass yourself.