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**Markoff Chaney** lop guest User ID: 91748 04-22-2012 12:36 AM

Many websites, blogs and forums have covered the topic of bugging out in excruciating detail, all under the assumption that this will be a necessary escape plan for many of us when the proverbial shit hits the fan. This notion is predicated upon the belief that escape and evasion, necessary for your immediate survival will be a (likely) event that you must plan and prepare for now.

However, nothing could be further from the real and actual truth. This cherished myth is a deceptive and dangerous notion that has little place in reality. I’ve long held a stanceagainst this notion because in nearly all cases and all situations, this is a very bad idea with oftentimes fatal consequences. Bugging out is embracing the refugee lifestyle – a very bad idea. Refugees throughout history have fared very badly, suffered extreme hardship and deprivation, with many not surviving the experience. There is a far better alternative to this.

The rejection of the “bug out” mythology flies in the face of the so-called ‘expert advice’ and theory being proposed by many websites and authors, who are also very active in selling products and gear specifically oriented around this concept. You could say quite rightly, that there is indeed a agenda at work here, but it is not one in your best interests. Hold onto your pockets and read on.

Bugging out entails leaving everything you are, and everything you own, and everything you use, day in and day out, and everything you cannot carry or transport with you, behind. Not only behind, but inaccessible, unusable and abandoned.Potentially forever.

How much of our lives, and the things within our lives, do we truly want to abandon? You will also leaving behind all rules of normalcy, the concept of “plenty” and abundance (which also means replacements and repair), all laws, rules, behavior and expectations that we have come to expect from each other and within our society, both good and bad.

Let’s make a list of these things to put this reality into perspective:

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So, what do you think? Is this just fear mongering to keep us in well defined and known places, thus making it easier to manipulate and control the true survivalists or does this make sense?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 91638 04-22-2012 12:53 AM

I'm up in the air on it.

I think we do what to do when we need to do it. Look at all the stories of mass migrations handed down in ancient cultures and religions. Exodus, the Hopi traveling to the new worlds are two that come to mind off the top of my head. I am sure there are more.

Will it happen again? Maybe. Do we live in fear of it?

And as to the other point of giving up our material things. I don't think that's really an issue. Not for me at least. I won't sit with a shotgun to protect "what is mine". I don't have that type of mindset.

Material "things" are worth killing or dying for.

**Luvapottamus**

Most people shouldn't bug out unless they have a place to bug to.

Bugging in is what I intend to do if needed, but I have a place I've been invited to go if I want.

**Zero Point**

Evacuation implies a safe place to which you are fleeing.
If that's not the case "bugging out" (hate that term) would be about the dumbest thing you could do.
If you're running from your home because ANYWHERE else is safer, ts has htf and you're in serious trouble.
Honestly, for all the talk, I don't think anyone would actually be dumb enough to "bug out".

**Markoff Chaney** lop guest User ID: 91748 04-22-2012 01:08 AM

I agree, bugging out should imply going to a safe and secure location and should not refer to an exodus!

But, if TSHTF, then an exodus may indeed be on the cards. If you are not prepared, staying in place may be a very bad option, but at least you'll have one of the basic necessities of life - shelter!

**Zero Point**

Mind you, if local water supply is cut due to lack of pumping, you may have to leave.
I have a large water tank and a swimming pool and could last indefinitely, but I guess we're talking about shtf, not an earthquake or cyclone.
In that case my nearest city has no real fresh water source and thirsty refugees would be wandering out within a week.
I reckon they'd be dangerous and have... er... plans...

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 91775 04-22-2012 01:14 AM

Some random internet guy Wrote:

So, what do you think? Is this just fear mongering to keep us in well defined and known places, thus making it easier to manipulate and control the true survivalists or does this make sense?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 89720 04-22-2012 01:17 AM

I'm an armchair survivalist. I'm staying put until some buries me.

**Luvapottamus**

Another good reason to support family farms.

There are lots of things that could happen to make city life unlivable for a lengthy period of time. Space junk pinball, EMP, nuclear disaster, supervolcano.

Some more likely than others.

chuckle

But if something knocked out the grid, having a family farm, or being friendly with somebody who does is a good backup plan.

My grandfather grew up on a dairy farm, and they kept it in the family with my great uncle working it until he couldn't anymore. But my dad and aunts and the rest all went out there regularly, and helped out, and came back with a carload of fresh produce and meat.

These large farms produce monocrop frankenfood, and it's less productive than permaculture.

If you want a good bugout destination, make friends with an organic farmer.

And be willing to work hard.

**Emma Peel**

He might be in trouble with this statement"

"I’ve long been advocating sustainable living and raising your own food, but here in the woods where I live, I cannot even grow half of the food I need to stay alive and healthy, let alone expect to hunt it down. Nor can I grow enough to feed my family, compounding the nutritional needs required."

Didn't our ancestors grow enough to feed themselves? Some guy on Doomsday Preppers on a suburban plot in California was harvesting enough veggies for a family of 4 adults. Probably not NOW, with all the radiation but he had quite a nice vertical crop setup.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 89720 04-22-2012 01:46 AM

I've always said, a country boy can survive.

I'm not worried one bit. I grew up knowing what to eat and where to find it.

Lots of critters running around here that says dinner is served.

The whole country side is my kitchen.

I laugh at city slickers!

**Malu**

survival is about having options. then build redundancy into those options.

being a refugee is a very bad option

**Luvapottamus**

Malu Wrote:

survival is about having options. then build redundancy into those options.

being a refugee is a very bad option

The place that invited me knows I can fix machinery and have other skills they can use, and I work hard (when I work chuckle

).

They also need more people on guard for refugees who don't.

So if you plan to bug out, make sure you are welcome somewhere first.

Multiple places would be a good idea too.

(That's to everybody, not you Malu)

Those idiots that were going to hole up in caves in Arkansas were just going to f*ck up those caves. There's a good reason that's illegal, they don't heal.

Do what you have to do to survive of course, but have a better plan than that please.

chuckle

**Guitar Doctor**

A lot of people bugged out 6 years ago after warnings from military buddies.
They are well set up now.

You can't bug-out at the last moment, that will be the hardest thing of all.
If you sell everything now and find your territory with water and food sources and set up guerrilla gardening, most likely you will survive.

But to what ends?
Unless you enjoy the life of a monk it will not suit.

So you need a network of people spread out a little but all helping each other as they can.
That is not a last minute thing to do.

Most people have a deep instinct of what to do, I know I do. Follow your instinct.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 89720 04-22-2012 02:05 AM

Guitar Doctor Wrote:

A lot of people bugged out 6 years ago after warnings from military buddies.
They are well set up now.

You can't bug-out at the last moment, that will be the hardest thing of all.
If you sell everything now and find your territory with water and food sources and set up guerrilla gardening, most likely you will survive.

But to what ends?
Unless you enjoy the life of a monk it will not suit.

So you need a network of people spread out a little but all helping each other as they can.
That is not a last minute thing to do.

Most people have a deep instinct of what to do, I know I do. Follow your instinct.

Yep. Gotta agree to that. Bug out? What's that. Another word for dieing?

If ya ain't ready by now, don't bother bugging out.