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The Fallacy of Bugging Out – Are You Prepared to Be a Refugee?
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depends where you're from and where you're going surely.

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Bump Because I like this thread.Heartflowers

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Dejavu, didn't this exact thread exist a few days ago almost word for word? doomed
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Mabey.I thought this was the same one?
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Leroy Jenkins!  Wrote:
Mabey.I thought this was the same one?
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It isn't? chuckle

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The Evil AC
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RE: The Fallacy of Bugging Out – Are You Prepared to Be a Refugee?
If I have to bug out to an undisclosed location, it'll be at night via powered parachute which aside from hiking through dense forest is the only way in / out.

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SlowLoris
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Post: #22
RE: The Fallacy of Bugging Out – Are You Prepared to Be a Refugee?
I have a bug out bag, I would recommend it to everyone. You never know when a disaster could force you out of your house.

That being said, I have no intention of bugging out if the Srjceahd

I will bug in. I have the supplies to hunker down and wait out the worst of any economic collapse. I have the skills to offer my neighbors to help them help themselves.

I think that community will be key to survival.

Trying to be Jeremiah Johnson is just not in my best interests. I really don't like sleeping on the ground in freezing weather.

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Post: #23
RE: The Fallacy of Bugging Out – Are You Prepared to Be a Refugee?
Some random internet guy  Wrote:
Many websites, blogs and forums have covered the topic of bugging out in excruciating detail, all under the assumption that this will be a necessary escape plan for many of us when the proverbial shit hits the fan. This notion is predicated upon the belief that escape and evasion, necessary for your immediate survival will be a (likely) event that you must plan and prepare for now.

However, nothing could be further from the real and actual truth. This cherished myth is a deceptive and dangerous notion that has little place in reality. I’ve long held a stanceagainst this notion because in nearly all cases and all situations, this is a very bad idea with oftentimes fatal consequences. Bugging out is embracing the refugee lifestyle – a very bad idea. Refugees throughout history have fared very badly, suffered extreme hardship and deprivation, with many not surviving the experience. There is a far better alternative to this.

The rejection of the “bug out” mythology flies in the face of the so-called ‘expert advice’ and theory being proposed by many websites and authors, who are also very active in selling products and gear specifically oriented around this concept. You could say quite rightly, that there is indeed a agenda at work here, but it is not one in your best interests. Hold onto your pockets and read on.

Bugging out entails leaving everything you are, and everything you own, and everything you use, day in and day out, and everything you cannot carry or transport with you, behind. Not only behind, but inaccessible, unusable and abandoned.Potentially forever.

How much of our lives, and the things within our lives, do we truly want to abandon? You will also leaving behind all rules of normalcy, the concept of “plenty” and abundance (which also means replacements and repair), all laws, rules, behavior and expectations that we have come to expect from each other and within our society, both good and bad.

Let’s make a list of these things to put this reality into perspective:

Read the rest here

So, what do you think? Is this just fear mongering to keep us in well defined and known places, thus making it easier to manipulate and control the true survivalists or does this make sense?

I agree. I run into these guys all the time and I believe they are (technically) brain dead. Not because they "want to be prepared" but because their preparation (i.e. buying loads of shit) is useless. If you have to buy instead of make you will never survive any catastrophe. Why? Because there are far too many variables to actually know what f*cking situation you will be in. Yeah you got loads of ammo but in certain scenarios (flood or emp) your ammo dump would be useless.

If you hone your knife more than your brain and skills you're going to be in trouble.
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Post: #24
RE: The Fallacy of Bugging Out – Are You Prepared to Be a Refugee?
Some random internet guy  Wrote:
Many websites, blogs and forums have covered the topic of bugging out in excruciating detail, all under the assumption that this will be a necessary escape plan for many of us when the proverbial shit hits the fan. This notion is predicated upon the belief that escape and evasion, necessary for your immediate survival will be a (likely) event that you must plan and prepare for now.

However, nothing could be further from the real and actual truth. This cherished myth is a deceptive and dangerous notion that has little place in reality. I’ve long held a stanceagainst this notion because in nearly all cases and all situations, this is a very bad idea with oftentimes fatal consequences. Bugging out is embracing the refugee lifestyle – a very bad idea. Refugees throughout history have fared very badly, suffered extreme hardship and deprivation, with many not surviving the experience. There is a far better alternative to this.

The rejection of the “bug out” mythology flies in the face of the so-called ‘expert advice’ and theory being proposed by many websites and authors, who are also very active in selling products and gear specifically oriented around this concept. You could say quite rightly, that there is indeed a agenda at work here, but it is not one in your best interests. Hold onto your pockets and read on.

Bugging out entails leaving everything you are, and everything you own, and everything you use, day in and day out, and everything you cannot carry or transport with you, behind. Not only behind, but inaccessible, unusable and abandoned.Potentially forever.

How much of our lives, and the things within our lives, do we truly want to abandon? You will also leaving behind all rules of normalcy, the concept of “plenty” and abundance (which also means replacements and repair), all laws, rules, behavior and expectations that we have come to expect from each other and within our society, both good and bad.

Let’s make a list of these things to put this reality into perspective:

Read the rest here

So, what do you think? Is this just fear mongering to keep us in well defined and known places, thus making it easier to manipulate and control the true survivalists or does this make sense?


Yes it is a fallacy....but these type of blogs and forums mentioned there, are also mired in the greater Fallacy of pretending the USA is a "nation".

One stupid way of thinking just piled on another stupid fallacy.

They are probably also teaching their kids to be "patriotic" instead of teaching them that they need to think like free people, not tied to an old useless paradigm that will have no meaning soon. (Has no meaning now).

All that spinning the wheels for BS. Kind of sad SO MANY just looooove to pretend. I guess hard to give up childhood. They try to plaster over the childishness by talking tough and macho, but it is all just a play-game for the doltish and fearful.

Watch how they will reply to me on this: all tough and macho and typical BS. Sorry for the truth. Well no not really sorry.

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Post: #25
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yesferatu  Wrote:
Some random internet guy  Wrote:
Many websites, blogs and forums have covered the topic of bugging out in excruciating detail, all under the assumption that this will be a necessary escape plan for many of us when the proverbial shit hits the fan. This notion is predicated upon the belief that escape and evasion, necessary for your immediate survival will be a (likely) event that you must plan and prepare for now.

However, nothing could be further from the real and actual truth. This cherished myth is a deceptive and dangerous notion that has little place in reality. I’ve long held a stanceagainst this notion because in nearly all cases and all situations, this is a very bad idea with oftentimes fatal consequences. Bugging out is embracing the refugee lifestyle – a very bad idea. Refugees throughout history have fared very badly, suffered extreme hardship and deprivation, with many not surviving the experience. There is a far better alternative to this.

The rejection of the “bug out” mythology flies in the face of the so-called ‘expert advice’ and theory being proposed by many websites and authors, who are also very active in selling products and gear specifically oriented around this concept. You could say quite rightly, that there is indeed a agenda at work here, but it is not one in your best interests. Hold onto your pockets and read on.

Bugging out entails leaving everything you are, and everything you own, and everything you use, day in and day out, and everything you cannot carry or transport with you, behind. Not only behind, but inaccessible, unusable and abandoned.Potentially forever.

How much of our lives, and the things within our lives, do we truly want to abandon? You will also leaving behind all rules of normalcy, the concept of “plenty” and abundance (which also means replacements and repair), all laws, rules, behavior and expectations that we have come to expect from each other and within our society, both good and bad.

Let’s make a list of these things to put this reality into perspective:

Read the rest here

So, what do you think? Is this just fear mongering to keep us in well defined and known places, thus making it easier to manipulate and control the true survivalists or does this make sense?


Yes it is a fallacy....but these type of blogs and forums mentioned there, are also mired in the greater Fallacy of pretending the USA is a "nation".

One stupid way of thinking just piled on another stupid fallacy.

They are probably also teaching their kids to be "patriotic" instead of teaching them that they need to think like free people, not tied to an old useless paradigm that will have no meaning soon. (Has no meaning now).

All that spinning the wheels for BS. Kind of sad SO MANY just looooove to pretend. I guess hard to give up childhood. They try to plaster over the childishness by talking tough and macho, but it is all just a play-game for the doltish and fearful.

Watch how they will reply to me on this: all tough and macho and typical BS. Sorry for the truth. Well no not really sorry.

So your saying..."guys that barbeque with propane and propane accessories". Yep.
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Free the "Free" World
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So your saying..."guys that barbeque with propane and propane accessories". Yep.

Well...
...Kinda, dammit.
...Yeah...

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I have to totally agree. The only recent example of needing to leave an area was Katrina.
There the only item you needed in your bug out bag was a big wad of cash, some snacks
and the common sense to get the hell out while you still could.

The where to bug out too question is the biggie. Unless you own some land to bug out
to, your kind of screwed. Country isn't empty land, its land owned by people with large
scary dogs and shotguns. Park land is patrolled by rangers with big scary dogs and rifles.

You may find a nook to camp out in for a few days, but your not going to be living off
the land without attracting attention.
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Dire_effects
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Post: #29
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Yes.

I will bug out and live off the land.

I do have a final destination with supplies though.



It is very important to be able to do what you what if you are to survive.
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Post: #30
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Luvapottamus  Wrote:
Most people shouldn't bug out unless they have a place to bug to.

Bugging in is what I intend to do if needed, but I have a place I've been invited to go if I want.

Zero Point  Wrote:
Evacuation implies a safe place to which you are fleeing.
If that's not the case "bugging out" (hate that term) would be about the dumbest thing you could do.
If you're running from your home because ANYWHERE else is safer, ts has htf and you're in serious trouble.
Honestly, for all the talk, I don't think anyone would actually be dumb enough to "bug out".

I'm very encouraged by the high level of consideration expressed in this thread.

Y'all are going to do just fine.
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