Post: #166

LoP Guest  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

I don't really even need to read what you wrote. You only need to read Washington's letters to know you are full of sh!t.

Or John Adams.
It galls them to know that almost 100% of the
people then considered themselves Christians.
Even today 80% of the people still claim Christianity
though they don't act out the Christian life.

This 80% figure is often twisted by Christians. The question asked in the poll was "Do you believe in God" it did not specify the Christian God. For some reason every time somebody says they believe in God the Christians just automatically assume they mean the Christian God.

You can believe in God without being Christian.

Post: #167

And at the time of Jesus Rome ruled the land and they were not Christian either. Your point?

Anything good that has come from the USA has been in spite of that cancer out on the east coast not because of it.

Post: #168

Brunhilda  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

I don't really even need to read what you wrote. You only need to read Washington's letters to know you are full of sh!t.

Or John Adams.
It galls them to know that almost 100% of the
people then considered themselves Christians.
Even today 80% of the people still claim Christianity
though they don't act out the Christian life.

This 80% figure is often twisted by Christians. The question asked in the poll was "Do you believe in God" it did not specify the Christian God. For some reason every time somebody says they believe in God the Christians just automatically assume they mean the Christian God.

You can believe in God without being Christian.

Absolutely, and seeing how most of the founding fathers were either Masons, Illuminati, or Hellfire Club members, their references to a god was absolutely not the christians god!!
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Post: #169

Everyone  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

I don't really even need to read what you wrote. You only need to read Washington's letters to know you are full of sh!t.

Or John Adams.
It galls them to know that almost 100% of the
people then considered themselves Christians.
Even today 80% of the people still claim Christianity
though they don't act out the Christian life.

Washington never even got around to recording his belief that Christ was a great ethical teacher. His reticence on the subject was truly remarkable. Washington frequently alluded to Providence in his private correspondence. But the name of Christ, in any correspondence whatsoever, does not appear anywhere in his many letters to friends and associates throughout his life. (Paul F. Boller, George Washington & Religion, Dallas: Southern Methodist University Press, 1963, pp. 74-75.)

The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.... (John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" [1787-1788]; from Adrienne Koch, ed., The American Enlightenment: The Shaping of the American Experiment and a Free Society, New York: George Braziller, 1965, p. 258.)

Constantine was never religious although he flew the christian px banner into battle and used christians to populate his army he used to ascend the throne. Not that Rome has anything to do with America.

Shudder the thought.

Post: #170

I cant believe some of you people are even arguing about this. Basic history 101:

"The George Washington University, like much of Washington, D.C., traces many of its origins back to the Freemasons. The Bible that the presidents of the university use to swear an oath on upon inauguration is the Bible of Freemason George Washington. Freemasonry symbols are prominently displayed throughout the campus including the foundation stones of many of the university buildings."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wash...University

And in case you missed it Freemasonry is NOT Christian, although some do profess 'christianity'. They will flip-flop Muslim or atheist just as quick, whatever serves their agenda, as we see Obama do.

The same revolutionaries including Jefferson & Franklin also organized the French Revolution.

Ben Franklin, Nine Sisters Lodge, Paris.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Neuf_Soeurs

Thomas Jefferson supporting the French Revolution.
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jeffworld.html

Further that you can see the all-seeing eye found on the US dollar on the first French republic's Bill of Rights. Shows who was behind it all. The French defend their republic just as much as some Americans defend ours.

My opinion is that they run the govt no matter what anybody wants, good or bad. This doesn't stop you from being whatever you want to be. They wont always do what we want and things are certainly getting worse all the time for Americans but just enjoy what you have today and live life. There's nothing that can be done about the govt. I dont support their wars or whatever else they want to do towards a world govt.

Post: #171

DrPostman  Wrote:

Janus  Wrote:

Catholic church that went with it, known then as the fruit of the murderous
rampage through Spain at inception.

I can see that your agenda was to make an anti-Catholic rant, but what you ignore is most of the contact, especially along the West Coast of North America, was with Europeans Protestants. The diseases that whipped out most of the natives came mostly from them. And it wasn't intentional. They didn't know that they were killing people just by talking to them.

Nooo, Protestants were not out west. Your Catholicism is peeking thru. Spain ran the western new world until it was acquired by the same running Washington. Most of the Natives died outside of the Protestant colonies (before & after). The Natives continue to be subjugated today by the Jesuits.
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=14724

Post: #172

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote:

Of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional convention in 1787.....
49 were Protestants, and three were Roman Catholics. Among the Protestant delegates to the constitutional convention 28 were Church of England or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won, eight were Presbyterians seven were Congregationalists two were Lutherans two were Dutch Reformed and two were Methodists.

NOT buying it. Your post is censored of Freemasonry. Also notice the Roman Catholics. This is of significant note because prior to 1775 Catholics were barred from political office in the Colonies. And this is why Freemasonry is important - they are Rome's Templar crusading military Knights. The First Amend drafted by Jefferson (Templar, esq) legalized Catholicism. Catholic mass-immigration followed resulting in the Civil War, and its been downhill from there every since.

At the Civil War the pope sent a letter circulated by the Bishops and all the incoming Irish then joined the northern aggression against the states. There were concentration camps where Protestants on both sides were exterminated by the tens of thousands.

Following the Civil War the Federal Reserve was founded by the same conspiracy to launch wars across Europe & Russia, where the Orthodox were removed from power at Moscow, then abortion made law and population reduction began. Following ww2 abortion was made law in the USA.

Millions have died from the violent cult in Washington DC which not only included Freemasons but the Jesuits such as Carroll family.

Washington DC was located in the Catholic Colony in the town of Rome, Maryland.

Religious liberty and toleration to Catholics & Muslims is suicidal. They have an ongoing history of violence.

Post: #173

Ahriman  Wrote:

Constantine was never religious although he flew the christian px banner into battle and used christians to populate his army he used to ascend the throne. Not that Rome has anything to do with America.
Shudder the thought.

Other than modeling our Republic after Rome, you mean.




Klink  Wrote:

Nooo, Protestants were not out west. Your Catholicism is peeking thru. Spain ran the western new world until it was acquired by the same running Washington. Most of the Natives died outside of the Protestant colonies (before & after). The Natives continue to be subjugated today by the Jesuits.
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=14724

I wasn't talking about anything other than the East coast of North America.
There are many writings by the first colonists who marveled at how well cleared
the country was as they just arrived. That's because disease had whipped
out all those who originally cleared it. These diseases were brought to North
America by English and Dutch explorers, years before the first colonists showed
up.
http://americanindiansource.com/thanksgiving.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/334/6061/1335.summary
http://www.britishexplorers.com/woodbury/raleigh1.html

Post: #174

DrPostman  Wrote:

Klink  Wrote:

Nooo, Protestants were not out west. Your Catholicism is peeking thru. Spain ran the western new world until it was acquired by the same running Washington. Most of the Natives died outside of the Protestant colonies (before & after). The Natives continue to be subjugated today by the Jesuits.
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=14724

I wasn't talking about anything other than the East coast of North America.
There are many writings by the first colonists who marveled at how well cleared
the country was as they just arrived. That's because disease had whipped
out all those who originally cleared it. These diseases were brought to North
America by English and Dutch explorers, years before the first colonists showed
up.
http://americanindiansource.com/thanksgiving.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/334/6061/1335.summary
http://www.britishexplorers.com/woodbury/raleigh1.html

Spain killed and enslaved the Natives and brought in African slaves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_...d_colonies

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications...os/ha.html

http://www.reformation.org/new-world-holocaust.html

http://archive.org/details/HistoryOfAfri...eryInIslam

http://www.manataka.org/page155.html

Then after 1776 the FreakMasons running DC caused the Indian Wars running the Natives out of the Colonies where the Natives had been living protected from Spain out west, and clearing the new states acquired out west before the Civil War. Most Indian Wars were after 1776.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars

Post: #175

Fester  Wrote:

Show a little humility "christians" and accept the facts?
5*

+1

Post: #176

guy I know posted this else where no source...still lookin myself
but found it interesting , thought it might add to this


A LITTLE MORE AMERICAN HISTORY for you un informed conservtudes,your ignorant.what's cool about that word most ignorant people are ignorant of the meaning of the word ignorant.now that really shows their ignorance?ha ha ,so back to my soap box ?A "Black" Man, A Moor, John Hanson Was the First President of the United States! 1781-1782 A.D.??? George Washington was really the 8th President of the United States! George Washington was not the first President of the United States. In fact, the first President of the United States was one John Hanson. Don't go checking the encyclopedia for this guy's name - he is one of those great men that are lost to history. If you're extremely lucky, you may actually find a brief mention of his name. The new country was actually formed on March 1, 1781 with the adoption of The Articles of Confederation. This document was actually proposed on June 11, 1776, but not agreed upon by Congress until November 15, 1777. Maryland refused to sign this document until Virginia and New York ceded their western lands (Maryland was afraid that these states would gain too much power in the new government from such large amounts of land). Once the signing took place in 1781, a President was needed to run the country. John Hanson was chosen unanimously by Congress (which included George Washington). In fact, all the other potential candidates refused to run against him, as he was a major player in the revolution and an extremely influential member of Congress. As the first President, Hanson had quite the shoes to fill. No one had ever been President and the role was poorly defined. His actions in office would set precedent for all future Presidents. He took office just as the Revolutionary War ended. Almost immediately, the troops demanded to be paid. As would be expected after any long war, there were no funds to meet the salaries. As a result, the soldiers threatened to overthrow the new government and put Washington on the throne as a monarch. All the members of Congress ran for their lives, leaving Hanson as the only guy left running the government. He somehow managed to calm the troops down and hold the country together. If he had failed, the government would have fallen almost immediately and everyone would have been bowing to King Washington. In fact, Hanson sent 800 pounds of sterling siliver by his brother Samuel Hanson to George Washington to provide the troops with shoes. Hanson, as President, ordered all foreign troops off American soil, as well as the removal of all foreign flags. This was quite the feat, considering the fact that so many European countries had a stake in the United States since the days following Columbus. Hanson established the Great Seal of the United States, which all Presidents have since been required to use on all official documents. President Hanson also established the first Treasury Department, the first Secretary of War, and the first Foreign Affairs Department. Lastly, he declared that the fourth Thursday of every November was to be Thanksgiving Day, which is still true today.

if wrong sorry , as I said I don't know
but would like to....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hanson

http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultim...000023;p=0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors

Post: #177

DrPostman  Wrote:

Aunt Flo  Wrote:

Please provide a link to at least ONE atheist or agnostic homeless shelter or soup kitchen.
Oh, that's right they don't exist.

Ooops: http://www.squidoo.com/Atheist-Charities




Dire_effects  Wrote:

The anti religious gov shills will not tolerate FACTS.

You mean like these:
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
http://www.theology.edu/journal/volume2/ushistor.htm
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/f.../myth.html
http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tser.../deism.htm
Oooops again.




ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote:

Of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional convention in 1787.....
49 were Protestants, and three were Roman Catholics. Among the Protestant delegates to the constitutional convention 28 were Church of England or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won, eight were Presbyterians seven were Congregationalists two were Lutherans two were Dutch Reformed and two were Methodists.

Yep, most of those were the religions they were born into, not what they
actually practiced.




Dire_effects  Wrote:

And what proof of that do you have?
I've shown at least one reference to religion in the constitution.
It was added later, but not obscenely so.
And no. The government is not a religious institution.
However, it is not a faithless one at all. Or wasn't.

And the oops keep piling up:
"but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
That's from the Constitution, Article 6. Doesn't sound very pro-religion to me.
Further reading: http://www.news.cornell.edu/chronicle/96...dless.html

How you ever come to your simplistic conclusions is beyond me and I'm sure even you.

I'm sure everyone in the government has faith, in something.

And I'm sure their faith in science, Vishnu or Al Gore is not nearly as off putting to you as Christians.

Perhaps your problem is you need something to hate and since Christians are the flavor in vogue right now, you decided to jump aboard.

Poor pathetic sheep.

Post: #178

All these different posts throughout your thread.

Proving you wrong. Yet again.

Yet you will post another thread bashing and/or trying to prove something that is established fact about Christianity wrong.

You are a deranged freak.

Post: #179

Dire_effects  Wrote:

All these different posts throughout your thread.

Proving you wrong. Yet again.

Yet you will post another thread bashing and/or trying to prove something that is established fact about Christianity wrong.

You are a deranged freak.

While that may be so, Washington DC was NOT founded by Christians.

Watch some Chris Pinto films.

Research the street layout of DC. The entire city is certainly NOT Christian.

Jimmie crack corn and I dont care!

As long as we know who to blame when things go terribly wrong.. like, legalizing abortion and 50 million deaths.

Post: #180

Of course not. America was the land of free choice. Even if the leaders were Christian (or other forms) that doesn't mean they founded the country based on that. There's a reason they implemented the separation of church and state. America was founded as a FREE nation, not a Christian nation.