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The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
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haskins Registered User User ID: 75994 06-17-2012 02:24 PM
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RE: The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
LoP Guest Wrote:diggerbanks Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:<yawn>
The other place had it right by calling people like you an anonymous coward.
Both places had it right by calling you a registard. Real conspiracy theorists don't leave a trail of their beliefs and opinions to be tagged in their NSA files, dumbass. Do you also have a facebook account and take your vaccinations like a good little sheep? Baaaa-aaaah.
what a idiot yeah guest account hides you....
f*cking trust me the gov we all fear...knows who every person here is...every one !!!
and there is not a program / setting or software you can use to block them
so that excuse , makes about as much sense as all else you have said...none
Dr. P. great post
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Klink lop guest User ID: 99539 06-17-2012 02:35 PM
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RE: The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
LoP Guest Wrote:diggerbanks Wrote:Great thread Dr P.
Slightly aside but not completely off-topic...
The term In God We Trust was put on $20 notes in 1957.
This was during the time of the American Inquisition (McCarthyism) when there was a lot of fear and insecurity.
People turn to religion as a salve for the difficulties and uncertainties of their lives. In social democracies, there is less fear and uncertainty about the future because social welfare programs provide a safety net and better health care means that fewer people expect to die young. In social democracies, people who are less vulnerable to the hostile forces of nature feel more in control of their lives. So there is less need of religion.
I have wheat pennies in the 1930s which says "in god we trust."
They said similar during the Inquisition.
It should say "In Pope We Trust"
The Apotheosis of George Washington
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apotheo...Washington
30 important facts about the Vatican & USA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ1ET0JETUQ
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JF Priest Subscriber User ID: 47416 06-17-2012 02:44 PM
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RE: The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
Klink Wrote:The founding FreakMasons belonged to a violent cult. Since then they have legalized the killing of 50 million plus babies before birth, and went about war & revolution killing millions more.
Ron Paul 2012...The R3volution Continues:
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BJ lop guest User ID: 94974 06-17-2012 03:09 PM
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RE: The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
LoP Guest Wrote:maybe you need to review the writings and speeches that were given by the founding fathers and quite taking the word of a group with an agenda
make up your own mind
APPENDIX M
November 11, 1620. Mayflower Compact: Pilgrims aboard the Mayflower, in Plymouth Harbor, Covenant "For the Glory of God and the Advancement of the Christian Faith..."
1772. Samual Adams:
"The rights of the colonists as Christians... may be best understood by reading and carefully studying, the institution of the Great Lawgiver and head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament."
July 4, 1776. Declaration of Independence gives the reason for your government to exist:
"... all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights... appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world... and for the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of divine providence..."
1756 John Adams, America's second President:
"Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only Law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts here exhibited... What a paradise would this region be!"
1781, Thomas Jefferson:
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."
Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence:
"The only foundation for ... a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments."
George Washington:
"Do not let anyone claim to be a true American, do not let them claim the tribute of American Patriotism if they ever attempt to remove religion from politics. If they do that, they cannot be called true Americans."
Patrick Henry:
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
Supreme Court Chief Justice John Jay:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of our rulers and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for its rulers."
John Quincy Adams:
The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: That it connected in one insoluble bond the principles of Christianity with the principles of civil government."
James Madison, 1788:
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future ... upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to sustain ourselves, according to the Ten Commandments of God."
George Washington, October 3, 1789 proclaiming a National Day of Prayer:
"Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits and humbly to implore His protection, aid and favors..."
George Mason, 1789:
"All human laws which contradict His laws, we are bound in conscience to disobey"
The Supreme Court of Maryland in 1799:
"By our form of Government, the Christian religion is the established religion" (A confession of a government established religion, eight years AFTER the first amendment supposedly separated church from state.)
John Quincy Adams, 1821:
"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond, the principles of Christianity, from the day of the Declaration... they were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of the Gospel, which they nearly all acknowledged as the rules of their conduct."
Noah Webster: "The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scripture ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evil men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible."
President Andrew Jackson, 1845:
"The Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests."
The US SUPREME COURT in 1892 in the case Church of the Holy Trinity vs. the US:
"Our law and our institutions must be necessarily based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise, and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian... This is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation... We find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth...
US SUPREME COURT Justice Joseph Story, in 1851:
"... the universal sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement by the state. ... any attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference would have created universal disapprobation, if not universal indignation." THATS RIGHT! SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE CREATES UNIVERSAL INDIGNATION.
As the Declaration of Independence was being signed on July 4, 1776, Samuel Adams said:
"We have this day restored the sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun let his kingdom come."
http://www.light1998.com/SSN/Social_Secu...pendix%20M
http://www.light1998.com/SSN/Social_Secu..._Beast.htm
Yes, make up your own mind. Believe it or not. Your choice.
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ButtonsAren'tToys Registered User User ID: 10663 06-17-2012 03:34 PM
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RE: The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
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ButtonsAren'tToys Registered User User ID: 10663 06-17-2012 03:38 PM
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RE: The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
LoP Guest Wrote:I have wheat pennies in the 1930s which says "in god we trust."
Typically I don't go to Wiki to prove much, but this one is easy. This "In God We Trust" on money issue is pretty weak, and has been for quite a while. I think you and others should try a different tactic to prove your point of view. This one fails.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust
"In God we trust" was adopted as the official motto of the United States in 1956 as an alternative or replacement to the unofficial motto of E pluribus unum, adopted when the Great Seal of the United States was created and adopted in 1782.
In God we trust has appeared sporadically on U.S. coins since 1864[3] and on paper currency since 1957.
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Dire_effects lop guest User ID: 99789 06-17-2012 03:40 PM
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RE: The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
BJ Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:maybe you need to review the writings and speeches that were given by the founding fathers and quite taking the word of a group with an agenda
make up your own mind
APPENDIX M
November 11, 1620. Mayflower Compact: Pilgrims aboard the Mayflower, in Plymouth Harbor, Covenant "For the Glory of God and the Advancement of the Christian Faith..."
1772. Samual Adams:
"The rights of the colonists as Christians... may be best understood by reading and carefully studying, the institution of the Great Lawgiver and head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament."
July 4, 1776. Declaration of Independence gives the reason for your government to exist:
"... all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights... appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world... and for the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of divine providence..."
1756 John Adams, America's second President:
"Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only Law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts here exhibited... What a paradise would this region be!"
1781, Thomas Jefferson:
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."
Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence:
"The only foundation for ... a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments."
George Washington:
"Do not let anyone claim to be a true American, do not let them claim the tribute of American Patriotism if they ever attempt to remove religion from politics. If they do that, they cannot be called true Americans."
Patrick Henry:
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
Supreme Court Chief Justice John Jay:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of our rulers and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for its rulers."
John Quincy Adams:
The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: That it connected in one insoluble bond the principles of Christianity with the principles of civil government."
James Madison, 1788:
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future ... upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to sustain ourselves, according to the Ten Commandments of God."
George Washington, October 3, 1789 proclaiming a National Day of Prayer:
"Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits and humbly to implore His protection, aid and favors..."
George Mason, 1789:
"All human laws which contradict His laws, we are bound in conscience to disobey"
The Supreme Court of Maryland in 1799:
"By our form of Government, the Christian religion is the established religion" (A confession of a government established religion, eight years AFTER the first amendment supposedly separated church from state.)
John Quincy Adams, 1821:
"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond, the principles of Christianity, from the day of the Declaration... they were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of the Gospel, which they nearly all acknowledged as the rules of their conduct."
Noah Webster: "The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scripture ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evil men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible."
President Andrew Jackson, 1845:
"The Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests."
The US SUPREME COURT in 1892 in the case Church of the Holy Trinity vs. the US:
"Our law and our institutions must be necessarily based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise, and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian... This is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation... We find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth...
US SUPREME COURT Justice Joseph Story, in 1851:
"... the universal sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement by the state. ... any attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference would have created universal disapprobation, if not universal indignation." THATS RIGHT! SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE CREATES UNIVERSAL INDIGNATION.
As the Declaration of Independence was being signed on July 4, 1776, Samuel Adams said:
"We have this day restored the sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun let his kingdom come."
http://www.light1998.com/SSN/Social_Secu...pendix%20M
http://www.light1998.com/SSN/Social_Secu..._Beast.htm
Yes, make up your own mind. Believe it or not. Your choice.
The anti religious gov shills will not tolerate FACTS.
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 102123 06-17-2012 03:46 PM
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RE: The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
Who cares if they were Christians or not, they still put together the best and most comprehensive document for leading a free nation.
They were awesome.
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Ahriman Registered User User ID: 97100 06-17-2012 03:48 PM
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RE: The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
Dire_effects Wrote:BJ Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:maybe you need to review the writings and speeches that were given by the founding fathers and quite taking the word of a group with an agenda
make up your own mind
APPENDIX M
November 11, 1620. Mayflower Compact: Pilgrims aboard the Mayflower, in Plymouth Harbor, Covenant "For the Glory of God and the Advancement of the Christian Faith..."
1772. Samual Adams:
"The rights of the colonists as Christians... may be best understood by reading and carefully studying, the institution of the Great Lawgiver and head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament."
July 4, 1776. Declaration of Independence gives the reason for your government to exist:
"... all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights... appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world... and for the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of divine providence..."
1756 John Adams, America's second President:
"Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only Law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts here exhibited... What a paradise would this region be!"
1781, Thomas Jefferson:
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."
Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence:
"The only foundation for ... a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments."
George Washington:
"Do not let anyone claim to be a true American, do not let them claim the tribute of American Patriotism if they ever attempt to remove religion from politics. If they do that, they cannot be called true Americans."
Patrick Henry:
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
Supreme Court Chief Justice John Jay:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of our rulers and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for its rulers."
John Quincy Adams:
The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: That it connected in one insoluble bond the principles of Christianity with the principles of civil government."
James Madison, 1788:
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future ... upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to sustain ourselves, according to the Ten Commandments of God."
George Washington, October 3, 1789 proclaiming a National Day of Prayer:
"Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits and humbly to implore His protection, aid and favors..."
George Mason, 1789:
"All human laws which contradict His laws, we are bound in conscience to disobey"
The Supreme Court of Maryland in 1799:
"By our form of Government, the Christian religion is the established religion" (A confession of a government established religion, eight years AFTER the first amendment supposedly separated church from state.)
John Quincy Adams, 1821:
"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond, the principles of Christianity, from the day of the Declaration... they were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of the Gospel, which they nearly all acknowledged as the rules of their conduct."
Noah Webster: "The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scripture ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evil men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible."
President Andrew Jackson, 1845:
"The Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests."
The US SUPREME COURT in 1892 in the case Church of the Holy Trinity vs. the US:
"Our law and our institutions must be necessarily based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise, and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian... This is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation... We find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth...
US SUPREME COURT Justice Joseph Story, in 1851:
"... the universal sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement by the state. ... any attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference would have created universal disapprobation, if not universal indignation." THATS RIGHT! SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE CREATES UNIVERSAL INDIGNATION.
As the Declaration of Independence was being signed on July 4, 1776, Samuel Adams said:
"We have this day restored the sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun let his kingdom come."
http://www.light1998.com/SSN/Social_Secu...pendix%20M
http://www.light1998.com/SSN/Social_Secu..._Beast.htm
Yes, make up your own mind. Believe it or not. Your choice.
The anti religious gov shills will not tolerate FACTS.
Can you tolerate the simple plain no bullshit fact that nowhere has the constitution any single word pertaining to religion as a part of the functioning of the government?
When will christians tolerate this fact?
We may call ourself a christian nation all we want but simple fact is that the founders knew full well religion should not arbitrate any function of government. None whatsoever.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe010.htm
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I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ NOT A SHEEPLE User ID: 93317 06-17-2012 03:52 PM
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RE: The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
Of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional convention in 1787.....
49 were Protestants, and three were Roman Catholics. Among the Protestant delegates to the constitutional convention 28 were Church of England or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won, eight were Presbyterians seven were Congregationalists two were Lutherans two were Dutch Reformed and two were Methodists.
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Dire_effects lop guest User ID: 99789 06-17-2012 04:00 PM
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RE: The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
Ahriman Wrote:Dire_effects Wrote:BJ Wrote:APPENDIX M
November 11, 1620. Mayflower Compact: Pilgrims aboard the Mayflower, in Plymouth Harbor, Covenant "For the Glory of God and the Advancement of the Christian Faith..."
1772. Samual Adams:
"The rights of the colonists as Christians... may be best understood by reading and carefully studying, the institution of the Great Lawgiver and head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament."
July 4, 1776. Declaration of Independence gives the reason for your government to exist:
"... all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights... appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world... and for the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of divine providence..."
1756 John Adams, America's second President:
"Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only Law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts here exhibited... What a paradise would this region be!"
1781, Thomas Jefferson:
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."
Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence:
"The only foundation for ... a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments."
George Washington:
"Do not let anyone claim to be a true American, do not let them claim the tribute of American Patriotism if they ever attempt to remove religion from politics. If they do that, they cannot be called true Americans."
Patrick Henry:
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
Supreme Court Chief Justice John Jay:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of our rulers and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for its rulers."
John Quincy Adams:
The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: That it connected in one insoluble bond the principles of Christianity with the principles of civil government."
James Madison, 1788:
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future ... upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to sustain ourselves, according to the Ten Commandments of God."
George Washington, October 3, 1789 proclaiming a National Day of Prayer:
"Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits and humbly to implore His protection, aid and favors..."
George Mason, 1789:
"All human laws which contradict His laws, we are bound in conscience to disobey"
The Supreme Court of Maryland in 1799:
"By our form of Government, the Christian religion is the established religion" (A confession of a government established religion, eight years AFTER the first amendment supposedly separated church from state.)
John Quincy Adams, 1821:
"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond, the principles of Christianity, from the day of the Declaration... they were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of the Gospel, which they nearly all acknowledged as the rules of their conduct."
Noah Webster: "The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scripture ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evil men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible."
President Andrew Jackson, 1845:
"The Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests."
The US SUPREME COURT in 1892 in the case Church of the Holy Trinity vs. the US:
"Our law and our institutions must be necessarily based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise, and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian... This is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation... We find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth...
US SUPREME COURT Justice Joseph Story, in 1851:
"... the universal sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement by the state. ... any attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference would have created universal disapprobation, if not universal indignation." THATS RIGHT! SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE CREATES UNIVERSAL INDIGNATION.
As the Declaration of Independence was being signed on July 4, 1776, Samuel Adams said:
"We have this day restored the sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun let his kingdom come."
http://www.light1998.com/SSN/Social_Secu...pendix%20M
http://www.light1998.com/SSN/Social_Secu..._Beast.htm
Yes, make up your own mind. Believe it or not. Your choice.
The anti religious gov shills will not tolerate FACTS.
Can you tolerate the simple plain no bullshit fact that nowhere has the constitution any single word pertaining to religion as a part of the functioning of the government?
When will christians tolerate this fact?
We may call ourself a christian nation all we want but simple fact is that the founders knew full well religion should not arbitrate any function of government. None whatsoever.
And what proof of that do you have?
I've shown at least one reference to religion in the constitution.
It was added later, but not obscenely so.
And no. The government is not a religious institution.
However, it is not a faithless one at all. Or wasn't.
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Twatwaffle lop guest User ID: 102936 06-17-2012 04:12 PM
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RE: The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
LoP Guest Wrote:Your IP shows up for the mods on every post you make..
Which is exactly why an anonymizing VPN service which does not maintain IP logs is a prudent protection in this day and age.
No security is perfect, but the barriers for mere mortals or drive-by ne'er-do-wells to access personal identities are magnitudes more difficult with it than without it.
Sorry for the brief threadjack.
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haskins Registered User User ID: 75994 06-17-2012 04:15 PM
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RE: The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
Dire_effects Wrote:Ahriman Wrote:Dire_effects Wrote:The anti religious gov shills will not tolerate FACTS.
Can you tolerate the simple plain no bullshit fact that nowhere has the constitution any single word pertaining to religion as a part of the functioning of the government?
When will christians tolerate this fact?
We may call ourself a christian nation all we want but simple fact is that the founders knew full well religion should not arbitrate any function of government. None whatsoever.
And what proof of that do you have?
I've shown at least one reference to religion in the constitution.
It was added later, but not obscenely so.
And no. The government is not a religious institution.
However, it is not a faithless one at all. Or wasn't.
how can a country that "claims " freedom of religion be based in 1 certain religion and not be biased??
it can't !!!
religion belongs in your church and home
not my government or public schools
![[Image: 2uzug5x.jpg]](http://i41.tinypic.com/2uzug5x.jpg)
“You know, I told you people something a long time ago, and it's just as pertinent today as it was then. Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice - pull down your pants and slide on the ice.”
Allan Arbus~ As Sidney Freedman
M.A.S.H. 4077
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 102123 06-17-2012 04:18 PM
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RE: The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
You know the difference between our founding fathers and our leaders now, they WROTE AND READ what they were signing.
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Jackie Chiles Registered User User ID: 78235 06-17-2012 04:35 PM
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RE: The Founders Loathed Superstition and We Were Never a Christian Nation
Dire_effects Wrote:BJ Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:maybe you need to review the writings and speeches that were given by the founding fathers and quite taking the word of a group with an agenda
make up your own mind
APPENDIX M
November 11, 1620. Mayflower Compact: Pilgrims aboard the Mayflower, in Plymouth Harbor, Covenant "For the Glory of God and the Advancement of the Christian Faith..."
1772. Samual Adams:
"The rights of the colonists as Christians... may be best understood by reading and carefully studying, the institution of the Great Lawgiver and head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament."
July 4, 1776. Declaration of Independence gives the reason for your government to exist:
"... all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights... appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world... and for the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of divine providence..."
1756 John Adams, America's second President:
"Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only Law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts here exhibited... What a paradise would this region be!"
1781, Thomas Jefferson:
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."
Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence:
"The only foundation for ... a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments."
George Washington:
"Do not let anyone claim to be a true American, do not let them claim the tribute of American Patriotism if they ever attempt to remove religion from politics. If they do that, they cannot be called true Americans."
Patrick Henry:
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
Supreme Court Chief Justice John Jay:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of our rulers and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for its rulers."
John Quincy Adams:
The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: That it connected in one insoluble bond the principles of Christianity with the principles of civil government."
James Madison, 1788:
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future ... upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to sustain ourselves, according to the Ten Commandments of God."
George Washington, October 3, 1789 proclaiming a National Day of Prayer:
"Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits and humbly to implore His protection, aid and favors..."
George Mason, 1789:
"All human laws which contradict His laws, we are bound in conscience to disobey"
The Supreme Court of Maryland in 1799:
"By our form of Government, the Christian religion is the established religion" (A confession of a government established religion, eight years AFTER the first amendment supposedly separated church from state.)
John Quincy Adams, 1821:
"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond, the principles of Christianity, from the day of the Declaration... they were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of the Gospel, which they nearly all acknowledged as the rules of their conduct."
Noah Webster: "The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scripture ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evil men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible."
President Andrew Jackson, 1845:
"The Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests."
The US SUPREME COURT in 1892 in the case Church of the Holy Trinity vs. the US:
"Our law and our institutions must be necessarily based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise, and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian... This is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation... We find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth...
US SUPREME COURT Justice Joseph Story, in 1851:
"... the universal sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement by the state. ... any attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference would have created universal disapprobation, if not universal indignation." THATS RIGHT! SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE CREATES UNIVERSAL INDIGNATION.
As the Declaration of Independence was being signed on July 4, 1776, Samuel Adams said:
"We have this day restored the sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun let his kingdom come."
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Yes, make up your own mind. Believe it or not. Your choice.
The anti religious gov shills will not tolerate FACTS.
Find me a fact a religious person can tolerate..
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