Post: #61

absurdious  Wrote:

Quote:Great Documentary by Ian Flemming on how the historical Jesus never actually existed and was only expressed by his contemporaries as a mythological figure and later rewritten back into history by the early Roman church.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIzlklisBqw

yes lets watch a documentary and ignore all the archeological evidence of the ages

Post: #62

~.~  Wrote:

yes lets watch a documentary and ignore all the archeological evidence of the ages

I'd bring up the doc of Yahshua's travels through Tibet and India as St. Issa and that he lived to 115 years old and was finally buried in Japan.

But my OS and Youtube aren't speaking at the moment...

You guys are just going to have to look for it yourself.

Post: #63

No, this thread says jesus didn't exist at all. This is absolute proof that he did exist. Pontius Pilate is a historical figure, Tiberous Caesar is a historical figure, they correspond about jesus, therefore, jesus is a historical figure.

http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/letter.html

Post: #64

Full Circle  Wrote:

I guess to me it doesn't really matter if he existed or not. I like the message he gave. And no, not the church's interpretation of it. But what is said that he had said. And not just in the bible, but in the gnostic texts as well.

Why does whether he actually existed really matter to people?

This is where I've come to as well.

Post: #65

roadtoad  Wrote:

No, this thread says jesus didn't exist at all. This is absolute proof that he did exist. Pontius Pilate is a historical figure, Tiberous Caesar is a historical figure, they correspond about jesus, therefore, jesus is a historical figure.

http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/letter.html

i think anyone who reads pauls epistles knows jesus was a real person, most serious historians included

Post: #66

absurdious  Wrote:

Quote:Great Documentary by Ian Flemming on how the historical Jesus never actually existed and was only expressed by his contemporaries as a mythological figure and later rewritten back into history by the early Roman church.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIzlklisBqw

Very nice. Thanks for posting, 5 stars.

And, I am a christian.

Post: #67

My entire childhood life I was made to conform to the Cog of Christianity. I was told to go to church every Sunday, and Wednesdays. I was told to fast when my church fasted together. I was brought up to listen to pastors and not question them. This mentality is a cancer among every human, and there is a reason why TPTB push this so heavily among their state run churches. I hate America (not the american people) because our "overlords" know this and use it to control people on both sides of the fence. What they will never tell you is Once you find Jesus there is no more fence.

So I did what every "sane" person does. I fought it the way I was "trained" to fight it. I fell into drugs, and lots of them. Smoked pot at the age of 15, and for this day and age that is a late age to start. Moved on to mushrooms and literally anything and everything I could get my hands on. Was arrested 2 times for "simple possession of marijuana" I was lucky because if it had been any other day who knows what I would have had on me. By the age of 17 I had lost 60 pounds because of coke, and I literally loved that lifestyle. I was the drug, and had no intention of changing.

When I had my second arrest I left jail feeling cockier than ever. I had no care in the world anymore all I wanted was to chase that dragon. So one day I came across some mushrooms. I was having a good time tripping face with some friends. Then out of the blue I get this nudge, or "feeling" completely outside of me that tells me something is not right with the way I am living my life. I then practically kick my friends out of my house, which is very odd for me because I ALWAYS tried to trip with friends. I then get intimidated, because at that moment I realize I am completely alone, or so I thought.

So I call up a friend I used to "party" with and I start to tell Him I am tripping, and that I just wanted to talk. Then, out of the blue, he begins to tell me that Jesus cares for me and that I can have a life like no other. All of a sudden, at that moment, I am no longer tripping. A calming sensation comes over me like I had never felt before in my life. This is something that you can not create nor something that you can understand with out experiencing it. Many other people who have felt his Spirit will tell you this same thing.

Many times I had used "tools" like the Tibetan book of the dead, or musical "mantras" to try and create something "greater" than myself. This time was WAY different. My mind was as clear as it had ever been, and since then I have had several very personal "experiences" like it without being on any drugs. What I felt that day, and many days past was his spirit comforting me and showing me that he is with me and will always be with me.

Now some will say that what I felt was the drugs and all experiences I have had since then were flashbacks, but i assure you they are not. The reason why I know this is because I get flashbacks fairly often and they are Nothing like this.

Now you may ask "how does this demonstrate the validity of Jesus"? Or "So what, we are supposed to believe a drug addict?" I am telling you this not to try and convince you of the existence of Jesus. For I know that this can not be done through my words. I am encouraging everyone to "test" my story through their own life. I am not encouraging you to take drugs, because they affect the mind in ways that deceive, and are a cheap experience.

What I am saying is, with an open heart and mind, ask God to show you his Spirit. I know that if you turn to Him with an open mind and open heart he will show you more than you ever dreamed of. He has a life waiting for you that you can not describe with simple words, but don't take my word for it find out for yourself. You won't be disappointed.

Post: #68

LoP Guest  Wrote:

roadtoad  Wrote:

No, this thread says jesus didn't exist at all. This is absolute proof that he did exist. Pontius Pilate is a historical figure, Tiberous Caesar is a historical figure, they correspond about jesus, therefore, jesus is a historical figure.

http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/letter.html

i think anyone who reads pauls epistles knows jesus was a real person, most serious historians included

Also, anyone with a discerning heart knows he wasn't a real apostle and never knew Jesus or anything about him really (back to the first few minutes of the video in the OP). He was St. George(Divine Masculine/Intellect) the Dragon(villified Devine Feminine/Heart) Slayer! He cut the heart out of the church and left only the head. Paul gutted the soul of Christ's teachings. He created a religion out of a spiritual path and made it every thing that Christ said he never wanted it to become.

Post: #69

LoP Guest  Wrote:

My entire childhood life I was made to conform to the Cog of Christianity. I was told to go to church every Sunday, and Wednesdays. I was told to fast when my church fasted together. I was brought up to listen to pastors and not question them. This mentality is a cancer among every human, and there is a reason why TPTB push this so heavily among their state run churches. I hate America (not the american people) because our "overlords" know this and use it to control people on both sides of the fence. What they will never tell you is Once you find Jesus there is no more fence.

So I did what every "sane" person does. I fought it the way I was "trained" to fight it. I fell into drugs, and lots of them. Smoked pot at the age of 15, and for this day and age that is a late age to start. Moved on to mushrooms and literally anything and everything I could get my hands on. Was arrested 2 times for "simple possession of marijuana" I was lucky because if it had been any other day who knows what I would have had on me. By the age of 17 I had lost 60 pounds because of coke, and I literally loved that lifestyle. I was the drug, and had no intention of changing.

When I had my second arrest I left jail feeling cockier than ever. I had no care in the world anymore all I wanted was to chase that dragon. So one day I came across some mushrooms. I was having a good time tripping face with some friends. Then out of the blue I get this nudge, or "feeling" completely outside of me that tells me something is not right with the way I am living my life. I then practically kick my friends out of my house, which is very odd for me because I ALWAYS tried to trip with friends. I then get intimidated, because at that moment I realize I am completely alone, or so I thought.

So I call up a friend I used to "party" with and I start to tell Him I am tripping, and that I just wanted to talk. Then, out of the blue, he begins to tell me that Jesus cares for me and that I can have a life like no other. All of a sudden, at that moment, I am no longer tripping. A calming sensation comes over me like I had never felt before in my life. This is something that you can not create nor something that you can understand with out experiencing it. Many other people who have felt his Spirit will tell you this same thing.

Many times I had used "tools" like the Tibetan book of the dead, or musical "mantras" to try and create something "greater" than myself. This time was WAY different. My mind was as clear as it had ever been, and since then I have had several very personal "experiences" like it without being on any drugs. What I felt that day, and many days past was his spirit comforting me and showing me that he is with me and will always be with me.

Now some will say that what I felt was the drugs and all experiences I have had since then were flashbacks, but i assure you they are not. The reason why I know this is because I get flashbacks fairly often and they are Nothing like this.

Now you may ask "how does this demonstrate the validity of Jesus"? Or "So what, we are supposed to believe a drug addict?" I am telling you this not to try and convince you of the existence of Jesus. For I know that this can not be done through my words. I am encouraging everyone to "test" my story through their own life. I am not encouraging you to take drugs, because they affect the mind in ways that deceive, and are a cheap experience.

What I am saying is, with an open heart and mind, ask God to show you his Spirit. I know that if you turn to Him with an open mind and open heart he will show you more than you ever dreamed of. He has a life waiting for you that you can not describe with simple words, but don't take my word for it find out for yourself. You won't be disappointed.

Now that's more like it!
Thank you!

Post: #70

When someone throws up a wall of scripture they separate themselves (and their message) from the person they say they are trying to reach. In so doing, they have built an insurmountable wall and stand arrogantly on their side of the wall in self rightousness claiming to have given the message-- a message they set up for failure in reception. The person hiding behind their scripture wall then proclaims that the seeker was attacking them and hard of heart. The fact is the wall builder's delivery was never intended to reach anyone's heart. This is about souls and the wall builder doesn't care about souls or love the people he/she calims they are trying to reach.

If you really want to reach people for Christ then you need to tear down those walls and tell your story of how Christ loved you. You need to take that love from Christ and use it to show that person how much Christ loved them via your love. You need to win their hearts for Christ. The only way to do that is through love, not an inpenetrable wall of scripture.

Then once you've won their hearts to Christ, you can start teaching the scriptures. You have to go slow though at first, so as not to wall them off.

What you really need to do, is re-discover your first love for Jesus and hold that dear always; never forget and never let it go. You need to remember that you were a sinner to and never grow haughty and think your better than the poor sinner you are trying to reach. The only reason you aren't like them is because you are covered in the blood of the lamb. Then you can finally, really, win people over for the lord.

Do you understand now, what I'm trying to say? I hope you do understand because it's important. Your soul depends on this understanding and not just the poor sinner's soul.

Post: #71

this is totally correct jesus is just a made up guy invented by the jews to make you not know that Christ is God and to deliver your soul to Lucifer that is why the bible is bogus to goyim remember when you die to enter to heaven you must know that Christ is God or it's Lucifer for you for all eternity and you will be working for the people who brought you there by bringing more souls to hell so just remember that Christ is God