the same way that bacteria has become resistant to antibiotics, the flu will mutate and become more deadly as a result of over vaccination.
nature WILL cull the herd.
IMO, best chance for long term survival is to get sick with (naturally ie no vaccines) as many strains of the flu as possible in order to build actual lifelong antibodies.
this makes sense to me and worries me at the same time, as I have not had the flu in over a decade. and I get no flu shot either.
I used to get flu shots every winter (I was forced to in the military) and I still got the flu. Now that I am out of the military and don't take flu shots, I don't get the flu. If I get the sniffles I eat three oranges and the next day the symptoms are gone.
At the first signs of illness I drink about a half gallon of orange juice and the symptoms are gone within a day or two. Nature has all the "medicine" we need.
LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 146210 01-15-2013 05:52 AM
During World War I, companies in the United States, Great Britain, and other allied nations were able to produce aspirin under the trademark name, owned by Bayer, owing to the fact that they were at war with Germany, and thus paid no heed to this regulation.
As is often the case, the most modern medical technology is afforded to soldiers first. Soldiers in the civil war could hope to be administered ether while their bullets and limbs were being removed. Gangrene was prevented in World War II through the novel penicillin, and in WWI, aspirin was the silver bullet which kept soldiers going through sore spells, fevers, and bugs.
In camps where the disease first broke out, doctors administered the wonder drug. Soldiers returning home spoke of this pill which could replace bed rest, chicken soup, and other home remedies. Unfortunately, aspirin can cause influenza to worsen into Reye's syndrome, as well as depressing the body's natural defenses through lowering of the fever.
Sufferers would pop a few pills during their first symptoms, notice relief, continue their daily activities while still contagious, and then fall ill again as the disease took over. Remember that many of the things we see as symptoms are immune actions of the body, not to be suppressed; vomiting may not be fun, but its better than keeping some poison in your system. By lowering their initial response, those who tried this miracle cure simply told their natural defenses to take the day off, then gave it an uphill battle once the virus had gained ground.
We see the same issue today. Nobody is suggesting that you take aspirin for flu, as the risk of Reye's is very real, but do you think taking sedative, antihistamine (histamines are signaling molecules in the brain and immune system), anticongestant (mucus production is our mechanism of purging toxins and viral detritus), and anti-fever medication does you any favors? Maybe you feel better that night, or the next day, but you'll have a long road to recovery.
We're reaching a scary place. Many of us have far poorer nutrition than those afflicted in 1918. We can adapt our vaccines only so quickly, but we've seen our antibiotics fail time and time again to bacterias' adaptations, and I fear that the time will soon come when our vaccines fall into the same pattern. People will flock to their drugstore, to find symptom- and immune-suppressing drugs.
BruinsπÁlhambra Registered User User ID: 146120 01-15-2013 12:01 PM
Quote:Are you scared when you’re told you have to vaccinate your child with 49 doses in 14 vaccines before age 6? Or are you scared at the idea of not vaccinating and so “exposing” your child to serious illnesses? Are you scared about the school threatening you that if you don’t vaccinate you can’t enroll your child?
FEAR. That’s what all these pro-vaccine campaigns are based on. As a parent, what’s the biggest scare of all? When your child gets sick with a serious disease and you feel responsible for that. As you see, vaccine supporters couldn’t go wrong with this and developed a dogma that’s been bought over and over again over the years by people. The magic insurance policy to solve it all.
So, even if your child gets sick, at least you know you did everything you could for his/her health and vaccinated, right? But what if the very vaccination is able to cause the illness in the first place??
Could The Vaccine Hoax Be Over?
An extraordinary paper published by a courageous doctor and investigative medical researcher has dug the dirt on 30 years of secret official transcripts of meetings of UK government vaccine committees and the supposedly independent medical “experts”sitting on them with their drug industry connections.
The 45 page paper with detailed evidence can be downloaded here: The vaccination policy and the Code of Practice of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI): are they at odds?
The author, Dr Lucija Tomljenovic writes:
Here I present the documentation which appears to show that the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) made continuous efforts to withhold critical data on severe adverse reactions and contraindications to vaccinations to both parents and health practitioners in order to reach overall vaccination rates which they deemed were necessary for “herd immunity”, a concept which with regards to vaccination, and contrary to prevalent beliefs, does not rest on solid scientific evidence as will be explained. As a result of such vaccination policy promoted by the JCVI and the UK Department of Health (DH), many children have been vaccinated without their parents being disclosed the critical information about demonstrated risks of serious adverse reactions, one that the JCVI appeared to have been fully aware of. It would also appear that, by withholding this information, the JCVI/DH neglected the right of individuals to make an informed consent concerning vaccination. By doing so, the JCVI/DH may have violated not only International Guidelines for Medical Ethics (i.e., Helsinki Declaration and the International Code of Medical Ethics)  but also, their own Code of Practice.
The transcripts of the JCVI meetings also show that some of the Committee members had extensive ties to pharmaceutical companies and that the JCVI frequently co-operated with vaccine manufacturers on strategies aimed at boosting vaccine uptake. Some of the meetings at which such controversial items were discussed were not intended to be publicly available, as the transcripts were only released later, through the Freedom of Information Act (FOI). These particular meetings are denoted in the transcripts as “commercial in confidence”, and reveal a clear and disturbing lack of transparency, as some of the information was removed from the text (i.e., the names of the participants) prior to transcript release under the FOI section at the JCVI website (for example, JCVI CSM/DH (Committee on the Safety of Medicines/Department of Health) Joint Committee on Adverse Reactions Minutes 1986-1992).
Information AGAINST vaccination is incredibly vast, believe it or not. Updated, most reliable sources and scientific data, as well as more and more medical doctors bring strong evidence about how harmful and unnecessary vaccination is. ..........
Quote:Today I had a good friend ask me for some data on Vaccinations so I thought I would grab a few references and put them in one place. Well, here they are.
There are many facets to the topic.
Logic says that if a cure harms more people than the disease then it’s not a valid cure. The trouble is, getting accurate data from the authorities is damn near impossible.
One datum you can get, the US government has paid out compensation of over $2,000,000,000,000 (that’s 2 billion dollars) to people who have been harmed by vaccinations! I don’t believe they would be looking intensely to find people to pay that money to or accepting any claim without solid proof that the vaccination was what actually caused the harm. Do you?
I have had more than one person tell me that vaccination adverse reactions are under reported and misassigned due to vested interests. I read this on vaccinations and it totally vindicated the viewpoint I have that it is impossible to do an accurate analysis of statistics for and against vaccination when the negative reactions and deaths are misclassified as “coincidental” and not reported: http://www.naturematters.info/
I have seen reports from people whose children suffered severe reactions, all the way up to death, immediately after a vaccination. Stephanie is one such.
We know they put toxic carcinogens and deadly poisons in vaccinations, like mercury and aluminium, as well as live cultures.
We know that sometimes vaccinations simply do not work – people who have been vaccinated still get the measles or mumps or whatever against which they were vaccinated.
In fact a European study released in September 2011 showed vaccinated kids got sick 2-5 times as much as unvaccinated kids – presumably because the vaccinations compromised their immune system. Here is a table I received on that subject: .................
Through the 20th century a lot of old bodies where dug up and accounts of previous pandemics (Black Plague, Bubonic Plague and lots of others) were found not be be caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis instead they found RNA remnants (RNA is to Viruses what DNA is to you) of various strains of previously unknown flu viruses.
The conclusion that has grown from new research and RNA/DNA matching is that a lot of the cases of plague were wrongly attributed to the bacteria, but where in fact flue outbreaks with deadly consequences.
Further, deeper research of records have lead to there being a pretty good case that the symptoms of other epidemics and pandemics that were attributed to various other things were really masked flu virus.
The general conclusion is that every ten years (on average) there is a deadly flu epidemic taking place somewhere in the world with on average one deadly flu pandemic every century.
We do not know how to cure a virus. Viruses are especially nasty and in the case of flu they have a very high mutation rate and can take on many characteristics that until the late 1980's no one imagined flu virus can do. such as taking on symptoms that mimic the black death, or hemorrhagic fevers.
All of this research has lead to a steady state of real fear about the potential risks that flu presents. Virologists are terrified of the implications, and owing to how many people are on earth, jet travel and our large global economy where goods and people are being shipped globally all the time, a 'simple' deadly pandemic like the Spanish Flu of the early 1900s becomes a far worst disaster.
The Spanish flu went global, in a time where it took weeks and months to go around the world. today with around the world trips taking mere days, that flu would have a far more devastating spread. The around 3% death could be tripled (9%) in today's modern fast moving world.
The only real weapon we have is vaccination. Tamiflu won't work in most cases, other viral medications don't work well.
IF another deadly novel flu emerges, the harsh reality is we are looking at bout 10% of the world dying from it.
Our modern First world nations can't take a blow like that. A loss of ten percent of the population over the course of a couple seasons or shorter would collapse our system, everything from power generation to shipments of food all rely on an optimum and in now in this economy a minimum number of trained workers doing their job. Take out 10% of those workers and chaos ensues.
The Governments, the CDC, WHO all of these groups are absolutely terrified of what could happen.
This is why there is a huge push for vaccination for the flu.
But WHAT are they vaccinating us for in your scenario? The question still remains - what strain, especially with it mutating so much and so quickly. Also....if this is true, why don't they just TELL us this instead of lying and making it seem like the ordinary seasonal flu they're concerned about. Even if what you say is true, it still doesn't make me want to trust the govt/pharma complex with injecting unknown substances in my body. That IS a matter of trust, and I DON'T trust them. They've proven themselves untrustworthy REPEATEDLY.
LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 109245 01-15-2013 03:07 PM
I do not have enough faith to believe that healthy people die of the flu. There must be more to the story. Either she was immunocompromised or something else is up.
One surprising discovery in the 'Spanish Flu' epidemic in 1918 was that that particular virus actually used the immune system to expand throughout the body. In other words, the stronger the immune system (or, the 'healthier' the victim) the worse the flu hit. Among the hardest hit were young men in boot camps preparing for WWI, perhaps the healthiest around in those days.
Considering that it started in the military the 1918 flu was probably a type of bio-chemical warfare. My grandfather had that flu and was extremely sick - what saved him was eating a jar of homemade mustard. I'm assuming that he puked out all the flu germs and whatever stayed behind was too scared to act up again.
LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 146261 01-15-2013 03:13 PM
First of all, how many times during the last few days have you heard this:
"This year's flu vaccine is a good match for the circulating viruses."
Ask yourself, how many times have you NOT heard that phrase reported in any story about the flue this month?
How many news reports did NOT end with a recommendation for you to get your flu vaccine this month?
And from today's news:
Flu shot not even 50% effective
by The Canadian Press - Story: 87723
Feb 21, 2013 / 11:38 am
This year's flu vaccine provided little protection to people 65 and older who got a shot, new data released by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control reveal.
When the scientists calculated the overall effectiveness, the vaccine's ability to prevent medically attended flu caused by both flu A and B viruses, the estimate was 27 per cent for older adults.
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