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**LOPster Jesus** · (This post was last modified: 10-01-2012 06:59 PM by LOPster Jesus.)

I must say I was shocked and amazed to see a kid's movie that actually had a storyline with some substance to it. If you haven't watched it yet don't read the thread as it's a major:

SPOILER ALERT!

That out of the way I can't be held responsible for your reading the thread before seeing the movie.

I am not going to go terribly in depth, I mean it's a Dr. Suess story brought to the big screen. I was just shocked to see a movie that actually admitted that all the greed and needless wanton environmental destruction can only be stopped by the total destruction of the environment. At least when the man is driven by greed, by the insatiable desire for more (which they actually specifically pointed out).

However I am suspicious of everything that comes out of Holy Would (just now made that up but I think it's quite appropriate considering their production Passion of the Christ and who they had play Jesus). I mean, they basically pointed out in a kids movie how the system works. The overall premise of the movie is this.

1. Young guy sets out to make the product his passions have led him to create, in order to be a big success

2. When it happens success goes to his head and he forgets the pact he made with the forest animals because business is booming

3. The last tree is cut (which he needs for his product) putting an end to his boom, as well as the environment basically

4. Some other young up and comer decides to market his idea, which is bottled air in a world of polluted air (ummm bottled water anyone).

5. A young boy wants to impress the lady he is crushing on. When he finds out she is in love with trees, he wants to get her one.

6. When the guy running the bottled air biz gets wind, he does what he can to stop the boy

7. The boy winds up figuring out the scheme and why he is being gangstalked by the bottled air people and heads straight downtown to plant the sprouting seed.

8. People are so amazed by it's beauty they are happy to have the boy plant it. The only person who does not want it planted is *surprise* the guy that owns the bottled air company.

So that is what they showed. Seems pretty down to earth (for a kid's movie mind you) but stay tuned, my next segment is on how I think this kind of seemingly good moral story is used against as us as well, and is meant to bring people in alignment with Agenda 21. Somebody will probably post that answer before I get back. But feel free to discuss class.

**Rager** lop guest User ID: 124538 10-01-2012 06:14 PM

It was one of the weirdest kids movie I've ever seen.

**LOPster Jesus**

Rager Dog Wrote:

It was one of the weirdest kids movie I've ever seen.

I know right? I don't know I was really stunned by it. It actually had a real world message. And at the end, you notice how they are all singing "let it grow" and I thought that was very poetic, being that let it grow was meant for the plant, but I really also felt like they meant let the love grow. Let the earth grow, let the kids see the trees, let their wonder grow. Let communion with nature grow.

I don't know, Holy Would has definitely got tugging on the heartstrings down to a science. I am very disturbed that it did so, because it used a lot of things I have come to see as truths. Like the fact that things in society are they way they are for profit not for humanity. Like the fact that lust for the material is insatiable and leads to lust for more material things and is never satiated.

**Truth rising**

Al Kemist Wrote:

Rager Dog Wrote:
It was one of the weirdest kids movie I've ever seen.
I know right? I don't know I was really stunned by it. It actually had a real world message. And at the end, you notice how they are all singing "let it grow" and I thought that was very poetic, being that let it grow was meant for the plant, but I really also felt like they meant let the love grow. Let the earth grow, let the kids see the trees, let their wonder grow. Let communion with nature grow.

I don't know, Holy Would has definitely got tugging on the heartstrings down to a science. I am very disturbed that it did so, because it used a lot of things I have come to see as truths. Like the fact that things in society are they way they are for profit not for humanity. Like the fact that lust for the material is insatiable and leads to lust for more material things and is never satiated.

When watching this with my family I could see them "feeling" for the trees. I instantly said "How do you think we are watching this movie right now?" I said "We are consuming energy just to be entertained."

I don't mind the message of this movie but I do mind how the kids are taught the message like humanity is retarded. I take offense to this personally.

**LOPster Jesus**

Truth rising Wrote:

Al Kemist Wrote:
Rager Dog Wrote:
It was one of the weirdest kids movie I've ever seen.
I know right? I don't know I was really stunned by it. It actually had a real world message. And at the end, you notice how they are all singing "let it grow" and I thought that was very poetic, being that let it grow was meant for the plant, but I really also felt like they meant let the love grow. Let the earth grow, let the kids see the trees, let their wonder grow. Let communion with nature grow.

I don't know, Holy Would has definitely got tugging on the heartstrings down to a science. I am very disturbed that it did so, because it used a lot of things I have come to see as truths. Like the fact that things in society are they way they are for profit not for humanity. Like the fact that lust for the material is insatiable and leads to lust for more material things and is never satiated.

When watching this with my family I could see them "feeling" for the trees. I instantly said "How do you think we are watching this movie right now?" I said "We are consuming energy just to be entertained."

I don't mind the message of this movie but I do mind how the kids are taught the message like humanity is retarded. I take offense to this personally.

Exactly. You have to be willing to play devil's advocate and peel back the candy coating. On the surface it's like 'awww no the trees'. But in reality I feel like my emotional buttons are being purposely pushed. You hit right on the subject I am about to post next in this thread.

Heartflowers

**LOPster Jesus** · (This post was last modified: 10-01-2012 06:55 PM by LOPster Jesus.)

But the thing that disturbs me, ties back into a narrative on religion that I enjoy. Where it talks about part of the spiritual scam being perpetuated by our rulers. Basically the premise is this, that just because you live in a system that you have no hope of controlling or changing, that you are somehow responsible for the horrendous acts that have been committed to further that system.

That is a hard one to contemplate as I am very big on personal responsibility, and humans definitely have a responsibility to stand up for what they believe and be the change they want to see. But at the same time we can not let others pin their guilt on us. And that is what I find dangerous about the lorax.

Let's not mince words here, this entire movie is aimed at demonizing consumerism. I mean look at the plot, the guy can't get love from his Mom until he is successful. He becomes successful by creating a consumer product and is total loser until all of the sudden his product becomes popular (by a sheer stroke of luck, another lie they would have you believe). And through his success he gains the love and approval of his mother, financial success, and social popularity/status he so desires. Hell he even wears a green suit that looks like money when he gets successful (maybe that is why the trees and grass are oranges and yellows instead of green, to misrepresent the color green as greed when green is really the moderate color, the medium wavelength in the spectrum of light).

But that is the thing though, is that subconsciously it is trying to get us to vilify ourselves for being consumers. That is what is so disturbing to me. So that when they roll through with Agenda 21, people will see it as part of what they owe mother nature to allow themselves to be crammed into the new mega-apartment-towers while the country is "re-wilded".

See the thing is all about changing hearts and minds. They don't want an entrenched battle. It will be the same as it always has been under the guise of modernity. Those that don't want to give up their homes will entrench themselves with guns and provisions and hold on with every last breath. Any sane person would. Yet they will be painted as the crazies that need to be taken care of because as McKenna put it so well, we have been conditioned to fear mental illness above most else. So you either go along with the program(ming) or get killed and painted as a crazy, a shut-in, a hermit, a loner, a militant, a kook. Whatever it takes.

Just a thought, because I was way too moved by the movie. I was like so happy to see something that taught a valuable moral to the children. Hence why I had to say wait a minute, let's see this bad boy under the micro-scope.

Popcorn

**LOPster Jesus**

I will say one thing though. That ball-wheel unicycle mo-ped thingy the kid was riding was pretty sweet. I assume it must have had some kind of gyroscope on it, otherwise he has amazing balance. Either way I want one!

chuckle

**LOPster Jesus**

for discussion.

I know people probably view this as a plug for the movie, but I think it's important to be aware of what they are putting in kids movies these days. After all, kids listen to movies and shows more than they do their parents and teachers. It is a direct window into shaping their beliefs, which will someday shape the society in which we live. So definitely something to be aware of!

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 124593 10-01-2012 08:08 PM

good movie

**LOPster Jesus**

LoP Guest Wrote:

good movie

Great discussion chuckle

**Sunny**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD20zkRIE7o

**Ray-Ray Debarge** lop guest User ID: 122470 10-01-2012 08:12 PM

Al Kemist Wrote:

for discussion.

I know people probably view this as a plug for the movie, but I think it's important to be aware of what they are putting in kids movies these days. After all, kids listen to movies and shows more than they do their parents and teachers. It is a direct window into shaping their beliefs, which will someday shape the society in which we live. So definitely something to be aware of!

Nah, not a plug.

Some good analysis and it's funny how your alarm bells go off when there is a major film production ostensibly promoting the right thing, as do mine.

Cheer

**LOPster Jesus**

Sunny Wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD20zkRIE7o

Not a huge counting crows fan, but the lyrical content in relation to the thread topic is greatly appreciated!

Heartflowers

**LOPster Jesus**

It's like this one, the song of the spindle. I saw the whole thing at the Move Festival Pre-Screening they had around here (cuz my girl works at a resort and gets to rub elbows with la-tea-da crowd) and I found it very moving. But I also find these films worrying. Yes we need to be more compassionate towards everything, and that includes ourselves too!

We need a change, but we need to stop demonizing people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jZh7bI8W18

**Tinfoil Couture**

Both the book and the movie bugged the crap out of me. I remember when I first heard about the concept of global warming and how we're causing it with deforestation and such...I immediately thought of the Lorax story and how preachy and high-horsey it's always seemed to me. I generally like Dr. Seuss a lot, but this story was environmental propaganda well ahead of the green guilt movement.