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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 87701 08-03-2012 12:04 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

barbsat Wrote:
blind prophet Wrote:

For rare topic, one I should do more research on...

Barb, from what I have seen is no one ever talks about these guys.

I just spent half an hour reading it. There is a lot of information there and it seems to be quite accurate. It confirms something I always thought. That the eastern establishment are actually loyalists to the old British aristocracy.

I am starting to question everything I ever believed about America.

WELCOME

NOW YOU MAY FULLY UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THIS:

AND WHY SECESSION WAS SO IMPORTANT.

Did you know Jefferson Davis wrote to the Vatican for aid?
Why?
http://www.reformation.org/lincoln.html

**a student of Protean thought** lop guest User ID: 87701 08-03-2012 12:10 AM

Barbsat,
How apropos to bring this topic to light in regards to the Olympics London 2012 EVEnt.
Thanks.
~a student of Protean thought objectively observing the mundane

**Pope Barbie Imaculata**

The Martini Maven Wrote:

outstanding barb

a lot to chew on..

5*

Thank you.

I found it on Google running a search for "Eastern establishments loyalist roots". It just makes sense that the "Old Money" crowd from New England did not come from families that were revolutionaries.

**a student of Protean thought** lop guest User ID: 87701 08-03-2012 12:19 AM

The British Israelites,
a movement founded in England in the early 19th century to promulgate the idea that the British people hailed from the 10 (actually nine) Lost Tribes of the northern kingdom of Israel that disappeared from history after being carried off into exile by the Assyrians in the eighth century C.E.

The British Israel movement was founded by an Englishman named Richard Brothers, who in 1800 published a book titled “Correct Account of the Invasion of England by the Saxons, Showing the English Nation To Be Descendants of the Lost Ten Tribes.” At its peak in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the movement had tens of thousands of followers. Among the many “proofs” offered by it, such as the claim that the Stone of Scone in Westminster Abbey was the very stone that served Jacob as a pillow on the night he dreamed his ladder of angels while fleeing from his brother, Esau, were a large number of supposed linguistic resemblances between English and biblical Hebrew. The British/brit ish equation was one of the foremost of these.

Of course, any beginning Hebrew student could tell you that “man of the covenant” in Hebrew is ish brit and not brit ish, but the British Israelites were never a group to be deterred by even the simplest facts. Brothers himself died in a lunatic asylum, and his disciples, while not necessarily as unbalanced as he was, were no less delusory in their beliefs. And yet, like many delusions, these beliefs live on not only among the uneducated but also among those who should know better. Since Brothers’s time, there have been repeated attempts by so-called scholars to argue for a historical Hebrew-English connection. Those attempts continue sporadically to this day. As recently as 1989, for example, a Yeshiva University English professor named Isaac Elchanan Mozeson published his Dictionary That Reveals the Hebrew Source of English.

Read more: http://forward.com/articles/2383/is-brit...z22Qi80gD9

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 112127 08-03-2012 01:28 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
barbsat Wrote:
I just spent half an hour reading it. There is a lot of information there and it seems to be quite accurate. It confirms something I always thought. That the eastern establishment are actually loyalists to the old British aristocracy.

I am starting to question everything I ever believed about America.

WELCOME

NOW YOU MAY FULLY UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THIS:

AND WHY SECESSION WAS SO IMPORTANT.

Did you know Jefferson Davis wrote to the Vatican for aid?
Why?
http://www.reformation.org/lincoln.html

What's your point? (That website is full of many errors BTW.)

**Gotcha!**

Good info, and something to research further.

Popcorn

**a student of Protean thought** lop guest User ID: 87701 08-03-2012 03:04 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
WELCOME

NOW YOU MAY FULLY UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THIS:

AND WHY SECESSION WAS SO IMPORTANT.

Did you know Jefferson Davis wrote to the Vatican for aid?
Why?
http://www.reformation.org/lincoln.html

What's your point? (That website is full of many errors BTW.)

No State of the Union could ever secede from the Covenant established in 1213 with King John's concession to the Vatican; which, in effect, made England a fiefdom of Rome. That Covenant is still in effect today between the "high contracting powers".
President Davis knew this and went straight to the horses mouth (Pope Pius VII) for relief.

"Secret Access: The Vatican" also uncovers historical connections between the United States and the Vatican. Viewers are shown letters written between Pope Pius VII and Presidents Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis during the height of the American Civil War in 1963. Lincoln was sending a special representative to the Pope, and Davis was asking for the Pope to recognize the Confederate States.
http://www.etonline.com/tv/109269_Secret...index.html

The First, the, Constitution for the United States of America, is a Trust and the Second, the, Constitution of the United States of America, is a contract between the officers of government and the beneficiaries of the Trust.
The grantors, agents to the Crown, by Treaty to The Holy Roman Empire, created the Trust to secure The Beneficiary (The Holy Roman Empire Pope Holy See The Vicar of Christ) by appointment of trustees.
~THE UNITED STATES IS STILL A BRITISH COLONY by James Montgomery

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 112279 08-03-2012 03:19 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
WELCOME

NOW YOU MAY FULLY UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THIS:

AND WHY SECESSION WAS SO IMPORTANT.

Did you know Jefferson Davis wrote to the Vatican for aid?
Why?
http://www.reformation.org/lincoln.html

What's your point? (That website is full of many errors BTW.)

Just what he said - Jefferson Davis wrote to the Vatican for aid. We dont have to believe everything on that or any other website. That page on president Lincoln looks good.

**a student of Protean thought** lop guest User ID: 87701 08-03-2012 03:33 AM

The Hidden Covenant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...m86v421xdA

**Bean There** lop guest User ID: 112303 08-03-2012 03:44 AM

Now this is getting good!

**Pope Barbie Imaculata**

a student of Protean
thought Wrote:

The Hidden Covenant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...m86v421xdA

Good find.

For me it boils down to this. Anyone who desires to rule others, accumulate fabulous wealth or power is insane. If you are happy to sit under a shade tree on a summer day with a lemon aid and a dog by your side and desire no more you are sane.

**a student of Protean thought** lop guest User ID: 87701 08-03-2012 03:56 AM

barbsat Wrote:

a student of Protean
thought Wrote:
The Hidden Covenant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...m86v421xdA

Good find.

For me it boils down to this. Anyone who desires to rule others, accumulate fabulous wealth or power is insane. If you are happy to sit under a shade tree on a summer day with a lemon aid and a dog by your side and desire no more you are sane.

“Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.” – John Lennon

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 99449 08-03-2012 05:37 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

barbsat Wrote:
blind prophet Wrote:

For rare topic, one I should do more research on...

Barb, from what I have seen is no one ever talks about these guys.

I just spent half an hour reading it. There is a lot of information there and it seems to be quite accurate. It confirms something I always thought. That the eastern establishment are actually loyalists to the old British aristocracy.

I am starting to question everything I ever believed about America.

WELCOME

NOW YOU MAY FULLY UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THIS:

AND WHY SECESSION WAS SO IMPORTANT.

**JF Priest** · **JF Priest** Subscriber User ID: 47416 08-03-2012 05:43 AM **Posts: 23,875**

congrats on the Pin.. Great thread...It seem we have been infiltrated from the beginning... Way before McCarthy.... chuckle

.. Sad to say. they are pushing the envelope hoping for Massive civil unrest so they can try out their new toys...

**JF Priest** · **JF Priest** Subscriber User ID: 47416 08-03-2012 05:47 AM **Posts: 23,875**

barbsat Wrote:

a student of Protean
thought Wrote:
The Hidden Covenant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...m86v421xdA

Good find.

For me it boils down to this. Anyone who desires to rule others, accumulate fabulous wealth or power is insane. If you are happy to sit under a shade tree on a summer day with a lemon aid and a dog by your side and desire no more you are sane.

one of the greatest evils TPTB ever created was the idea for the people "Keeping up With the Jones's"