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**Bagatell** · **Bagatell** user Variable User ID: 9614 04-25-2012 02:04 PM **Posts: 1,700**

vintagevixen Wrote:

Also, having said that about hallucinogenics, I get the impression that it would work best under the direction of a shaman/expert.
vv

Agreed. Leary taught me more in two sentences than anyone else.

"Set and setting"

"Turn on, tune in, drop out"

This thing's only going to get better when more people follow that last piece of advice.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 92522 04-25-2012 02:08 PM

Bagatell Wrote:

vintagevixen Wrote:
Also, having said that about hallucinogenics, I get the impression that it would work best under the direction of a shaman/expert.
vv

Agreed. Leary taught me more in two sentences than anyone else.

"Set and setting"

"Turn on, tune in, drop out"

This thing's only going to get better when more people follow that last piece of advice.

personally i find "question authority" his best advise

**Shakey1** · **Shakey1** Subscriber User ID: 78542 04-25-2012 02:08 PM **Posts: 12,016**

Bagatell Wrote:

vintagevixen Wrote:
Also, having said that about hallucinogenics, I get the impression that it would work best under the direction of a shaman/expert.
vv

Agreed. Leary taught me more in two sentences than anyone else.

"Set and setting"

"Turn on, tune in, drop out"

This thing's only going to get better when more people follow that last piece of advice.

"Set and setting describes the context for psychoactive and particularly psychedelic drug experiences: one's mindset and the setting in which the user has the experience. This is especially relevant for psychedelic or hallucinogenic experiences. The term was coined by Timothy Leary, and became widely accepted by researchers in psychedelic psychotherapy.[1]
'Set' is the mental state a person brings to the experience, like thoughts, mood and expectations. 'Setting' is the physical and social environment. Social support networks have shown to be particularly important in the outcome of the psychedelic experience.[2] They are able to control or guide the course of the experience, both consciously and subconsciously. Stress, fear, or a disagreeable environment, may result in an unpleasant experience (bad trip). Conversely, a relaxed, curious person in a warm, comfortable and safe place is more likely to have a pleasant experience."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_and_setting

**chookaKahn** · (This post was last modified: 04-25-2012 02:16 PM by chookaKahn.)

Zardoz Wrote:

They are always restricting all that connects us to the 'all that is' or the Earth. They've done a genocide on the shamans. There are those among us who have no need for drugs. We can access the other realms anytime.

The tribe usually NEEDS the hallucinogen. The Shaman does not. That's why the Shaman is chosen - for their ability to see without any aids. Most have Temporal Lobe Epilepsy. So do many religious figures like Ghandi and most likely - Joan of Arc. (Anthony Peake's research on TLE)

The Electromagnetic interference dulls that in those who are 'naturals'. Smart meters, cell phones etc. (My own research since I have TLE)

Man, I'd prefer to be in touch with the creative force and planet -
rather than reaching out and touching everyone with my iPhone.

below is an email I sent to a friend last year - haven't been able to find anything more recent on the situation.

14 Peruvian Shamans murdered via Mayor in Protestant sect
over twenty months, 7 bodies found, 7 still missing
link for original article from October 2011
http://www.peruviantimes.com/05/report-1...ion/13843/

and now:

Peruvian Shamans still on hit list
"...Since then, the government has remained mum and, so far, has made no arrests, or at least has not made any known. Early reports focused on the Evangelical Christian mayor of the river port town of Balsapuerto, citing officials who accused him of instigating a fanatical religious purge.

But Alberto Pizango, Peru's top indigenous leader and president of the country's most powerful indigenous organization, the Interethnic Development Association of the Peruvian Rainforest (known by its Spanish acronym, AIDESEP) paints a more complex picture of the case, blaming cash and pressure from legal and illegal industries in the Amazon who poach natural resources from indigenous lands.

"What is happening now in my community is organized crime," said Pizango, himself a Shawi medico who studied for seven years under a master shaman.

"This work, I would say, is done in a very subtle way by the extractive industries," Pizango said, naming the timber and oil industries as well as those involved in producing illegal drugs.

"Divide and conquer," he said. "That is exactly what is happening here...."

this tiny excerpt from http://www.truth-out.org/perus-top-indig...1323201142
- be sure to read the full article.

but by who, exactly?? who are the heavies for the 'extractive industries'?

this reader's comment stood out:

Dr. Arthur Frederick Ide
"Evangelical extremism is nothing new to Peru. I live in Peru, and teach here. Being born in Iowa and a USA citizen for 66 years, I have witnessed the destruction of democracy by the churches throughout Peru--as if the Spanish Inquisition was still in force.

Evangelical Christian mayor of the of Balsapuerto, who instigating a fanatical religious purge is only one of the criminals in Peru, and he is acting because of semisecret dealings and with the most nefarious of all prelates: Juan Luis Cispriani archbishop of Peru, a leader in Opus Dei (far more odious than anything Dan Brown wrote in his book "The DaVinci Code"), and the pathetically rogue Roman Catholic Council of Bishops that are controlled by Opus Dei--which now has total control of education in the northern provinces and with the dispicable Cispriani is attempting to stifle dissent at the Pontifical University in Peru so that the church not only controls the labors but the minds of those they are making it impossible to receive a real education.

Peru is already in last place in the world for educational excellence, and the conduct of inquiry is diminishing faster than any glacier in the Andes, with open attacks on shamans and people who do not cave in to the religious right.

There is no freedom of religion in Peru--and the priests, pastors and other religious predators will see to that in the same was that Vladimiro Montesinos' Grupo Colinas murdered students at La Cantatu with the blessings of the churches and the most sinister congresista Martha Chavez. I support the shamans as they are closer to reality than any Christian in Peru."

religion- the fastest way to dumb down a nation.

**Earth Child**

Interesting post Z!

Quote:They see technology as ideas, and ideas as technology. They question our fanaticism for control in light of progress's runaway complexity, and remind us of the stubborn persistence of the unconscious, the body, and the other. They insistently remind us to see the evolution of humanity and beyond as much in terms of qualia as quanta, and paint the portrait of a future sensitive to psychological, spiritual, ethical, and biological concerns.