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The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
Angry Red Man
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Post: #76
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-22-2012 11:58 PM)
Angry Red Man  Wrote: (04-22-2012 11:51 PM)
I'm not a supporter of Obama. I think he's a CIA creation as ordered by their owners the Federal Reserve mafia cartel.

I wasn't a Bush supporter either. He was a globalist to the core and him and his entire family are owned by the big money club that think they own the world.

Clinton was another stooge along those lines as well.

I think most local politicians on up to the federal level are only in it for what they can get out of it instead of actually wanting to do the job the way it's supposed to be done.

And I blame each and every one of us for this problem because we dropped the ball as far as keeping an eye on those we elected to represent us. All of us. Our parents and grandparents who should have held their politicians feet to the fire let us down as well. They dropped the ball as well.

It's useless blaming a 2 year old for swiping cookies when it's a parental issue of not paying close enough attention to that child to keep him from swiping those cookies to begin with. And the failure is apparently generational because none of us were paying close enough attention while our attention deficit child repeatedly kept swiping cookies. Now we have a fat and bloated bully who will kill you if it doesn't get more cookies.

True true.
But are we really paying attention now?
Is the fat kid the government, or the unbridled capitalist billionaires clubs who are dumping their stuff all over our government?
I don't truelly know if and how we need to fix the market and it's creation of spoiled and secretive powers.

There isn't much difference between the two anymore. Just my opinion but I think the Corporatist Billionaires own the government and use it as an enforcement arm for their policies.

We haven't had capitalism in this country since the Federal Reserve took power. Just a collection of thieving cronies plotting to own the rest of what they didn't have then.

And I don't think many of us are paying attention yet at the level that we need to be. Most of us are still CNN blinded and out FOXed. It took me decades to get where I am and I still have a ways to go with deprogramming myself.

Look into the Hegelian (sp?) dialect to see how truly insidious this programming is and how hard it is to break out of it.

Mitakuye Oyasin We are all related. Screw that, all y'all are disowned.

The Idiocracy has won.

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BJ
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Post: #77
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
We need another Republican? Which party increased the debt?

Handy chart: Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002592935

The debt:

2001 - $5.871 trillion
2008 - $10.640 trillion

National Debt Increased 25% Under Obama:

Jan 31st 2009 = $10.569-tr-illion
Jan 31st 2011 = $14.131-tr-illion

But of the $3.56-trillion increase, 98% was carry over from Bush programs:

Bush: $910-billi-on = Interest on Debt 2009/2011
Bush: $360-billi-on = Iraq War Spending 2009/2011
Bush: $319-billi-on = TARP/Bailo-ut Balance from 2008 (as of May 2010)
Bush: $419-billi-on = Bush Recession Caused Drop in taxes
Bush: $190-billi-on = Bush Medicare Drug Program 2009/2011
Bush: $211-billi-on = Bush Meicare Part-D 2009/2011
Bush: $771-billi-on = Bush Tax Cuts 2009/2011

Bush's contribution:

2001 to 2008: $4.769-tri-llion
2009 to 2010: $3.181-tri-llion

Total: $7.950-trillion

Increase Since 2001 = $14.131 - $5.871 = $8.26-tril-lion

Bush's contributi-on: $7.950-tri-llion / $8.26-tril-lion = 96%

Increase caused By Bush's Programs: 96%
Increase caused by Obama's Programs: 4%

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...ng/242484/
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/...HART.html/

What do we have to show for it? Unemployment started under Bush. Gas reached nearly $4/gal. summer of 2008. The economy crashed in October 2008, under Bush. Did you expect Obama to wave a majik wand and make that mess disappear overnight? Look at that chart above.
Bush: "Ya miss me yet?"
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Post: #78
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
FREEDOOM!

THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR

FREEEEEEE-DOOM!


Come on!

Paint yore face blue already!
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Luvapottamus
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Post: #79
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
BJ  Wrote: (04-23-2012 12:09 AM)
We need another Republican? Which party increased the debt?

Handy chart: Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002592935

The debt:

2001 - $5.871 trillion
2008 - $10.640 trillion

National Debt Increased 25% Under Obama:

Jan 31st 2009 = $10.569-tr-illion
Jan 31st 2011 = $14.131-tr-illion

But of the $3.56-trillion increase, 98% was carry over from Bush programs:

Bush: $910-billi-on = Interest on Debt 2009/2011
Bush: $360-billi-on = Iraq War Spending 2009/2011
Bush: $319-billi-on = TARP/Bailo-ut Balance from 2008 (as of May 2010)
Bush: $419-billi-on = Bush Recession Caused Drop in taxes
Bush: $190-billi-on = Bush Medicare Drug Program 2009/2011
Bush: $211-billi-on = Bush Meicare Part-D 2009/2011
Bush: $771-billi-on = Bush Tax Cuts 2009/2011

Bush's contribution:

2001 to 2008: $4.769-tri-llion
2009 to 2010: $3.181-tri-llion

Total: $7.950-trillion

Increase Since 2001 = $14.131 - $5.871 = $8.26-tril-lion

Bush's contributi-on: $7.950-tri-llion / $8.26-tril-lion = 96%

Increase caused By Bush's Programs: 96%
Increase caused by Obama's Programs: 4%

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...ng/242484/
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/...HART.html/

What do we have to show for it? Unemployment started under Bush. Gas reached nearly $4/gal. summer of 2008. The economy crashed in October 2008, under Bush. Did you expect Obama to wave a majik wand and make that mess disappear overnight? Look at that chart above.
Bush: "Ya miss me yet?"

Paul isn't Bush.

And Obama ain't no JFK.

It's be charitable to call him Carter.

Because Obama IS BUSH.

Don't you understand that?

What would be different if W was in for a third term?

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Nationalize monetary policy at the FED, reinstate Greenbacks.
Wall Street Sales Tax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb5OQUElilo
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04-23-2012 12:14 AM

 



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RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
Paul compares campaign to American Revolution at rain-soaked rally

Ahead of Tuesday's Pennsylvania primary, presidential hopeful Ron Paul painted his long-shot campaign as a new American revolution at a rain-soaked event outside Independence Hall.

“In our early history, we had a major undertaking overthrowing an empire,” Paul said. “And in some ways that is what we are doing now.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/201...ked-rally/
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Post: #81
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
Free Range Humans  Wrote: (04-22-2012 09:37 PM)
5 Stars, Ron Paul will get the US State Dept out of Israel's business

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BJ
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Post: #82
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (04-23-2012 12:12 AM)
BJ  Wrote: (04-23-2012 12:09 AM)
We need another Republican? Which party increased the debt?

Handy chart: Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002592935

Bush's contribution:

2001 to 2008: $4.769-tri-llion
2009 to 2010: $3.181-tri-llion

Total: $7.950-trillion

Increase Since 2001 = $14.131 - $5.871 = $8.26-tril-lion

Bush's contributi-on: $7.950-tri-llion / $8.26-tril-lion = 96%

Increase caused By Bush's Programs: 96%
Increase caused by Obama's Programs: 4%

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...ng/242484/
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/...HART.html/

What do we have to show for it? Unemployment started under Bush. Gas reached nearly $4/gal. summer of 2008. The economy crashed in October 2008, under Bush. Did you expect Obama to wave a majik wand and make that mess disappear overnight? Look at that chart above.
Bush: "Ya miss me yet?"

Paul isn't Bush.

And Obama ain't no JFK.

It's be charitable to call him Carter.

Because Obama IS BUSH.

Don't you understand that?

What would be different if W was in for a third term?

Luvapottamus, you see only what you want to see, and hear only what you want to hear. And you aren't old enough to remember what I do.

Difference is I am not seeing what I want to see, and not hearing from Ron what I want to hear. So...until I do...
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Luvapottamus
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04-23-2012 12:38 AM

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Post: #83
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
BJ  Wrote: (04-23-2012 12:31 AM)
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (04-23-2012 12:12 AM)
BJ  Wrote: (04-23-2012 12:09 AM)
We need another Republican? Which party increased the debt?

Handy chart: Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002592935

Bush's contribution:

2001 to 2008: $4.769-tri-llion
2009 to 2010: $3.181-tri-llion

Total: $7.950-trillion

Increase Since 2001 = $14.131 - $5.871 = $8.26-tril-lion

Bush's contributi-on: $7.950-tri-llion / $8.26-tril-lion = 96%

Increase caused By Bush's Programs: 96%
Increase caused by Obama's Programs: 4%

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...ng/242484/
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/...HART.html/

What do we have to show for it? Unemployment started under Bush. Gas reached nearly $4/gal. summer of 2008. The economy crashed in October 2008, under Bush. Did you expect Obama to wave a majik wand and make that mess disappear overnight? Look at that chart above.
Bush: "Ya miss me yet?"

Paul isn't Bush.

And Obama ain't no JFK.

It's be charitable to call him Carter.

Because Obama IS BUSH.

Don't you understand that?

What would be different if W was in for a third term?

Luvapottamus, you see only what you want to see, and hear only what you want to hear. And you aren't old enough to remember what I do.

Difference is I am not seeing what I want to see, and not hearing from Ron what I want to hear. So...until I do...

No, I'm not hearing everything I want to hear either.

I think the difference is hearing it is good enough for you.

It is if you support Nerobama.

As far as my memory goes, how far back do you want to go?

Challenge it.

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Nationalize monetary policy at the FED, reinstate Greenbacks.
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Angry Red Man
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Post: #84
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
BJ  Wrote: (04-23-2012 12:09 AM)
We need another Republican? Which party increased the debt?

Handy chart: Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002592935

The debt:

2001 - $5.871 trillion
2008 - $10.640 trillion

National Debt Increased 25% Under Obama:

Jan 31st 2009 = $10.569-tr-illion
Jan 31st 2011 = $14.131-tr-illion

But of the $3.56-trillion increase, 98% was carry over from Bush programs:

Bush: $910-billi-on = Interest on Debt 2009/2011
Bush: $360-billi-on = Iraq War Spending 2009/2011
Bush: $319-billi-on = TARP/Bailo-ut Balance from 2008 (as of May 2010)
Bush: $419-billi-on = Bush Recession Caused Drop in taxes
Bush: $190-billi-on = Bush Medicare Drug Program 2009/2011
Bush: $211-billi-on = Bush Meicare Part-D 2009/2011
Bush: $771-billi-on = Bush Tax Cuts 2009/2011

Bush's contribution:

2001 to 2008: $4.769-tri-llion
2009 to 2010: $3.181-tri-llion

Total: $7.950-trillion

Increase Since 2001 = $14.131 - $5.871 = $8.26-tril-lion

Bush's contributi-on: $7.950-tri-llion / $8.26-tril-lion = 96%

Increase caused By Bush's Programs: 96%
Increase caused by Obama's Programs: 4%

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...ng/242484/
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/...HART.html/

What do we have to show for it? Unemployment started under Bush. Gas reached nearly $4/gal. summer of 2008. The economy crashed in October 2008, under Bush. Did you expect Obama to wave a majik wand and make that mess disappear overnight? Look at that chart above.
Bush: "Ya miss me yet?"

Here to take the challenge BJ?

So you want to create division by using the artificial labels of Republican and Democrat and comparing Bush and Obama? Your comparing Goldman Sach's candidate A to Goldman Sach's candidate B. Obama didn't even try to clean up the mess. He just added to it with his 'policies' which were a continuation of Bush's which were a continuation of Clinton's which were a continuation of Reagan's as dictated by Poppy Bush.

How does that relate to Ron Paul and his policies?

Explain to me why Ron's policies won't work and what you would like to see in their place.

Take up the challenge.

Mitakuye Oyasin We are all related. Screw that, all y'all are disowned.

The Idiocracy has won.

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Post: #87
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Luvapottamus and Angry Red Man, you seem to believe that I'm all for Obama's policies! Good grief! The charts I gave you showed just who shot the debt to the moon...REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATIONS!

If Bush were still in office, we'd have bomb, bomb, bombed Iran by now, so we'd have been warring on three fronts, not two, and would be in even greater debt by now. Be thankful that McCain didn't win over Obama. Same thing. He wanted WAR!

I don't have to take this back any further than Reagan. I didn't vote for him on the advice of Californians who knew the score. He waved the patriotic flag of "freedom" and people gushed all over him. Look at the debt he ran up! But people had jobs and were content, not knowing what was being played out behind the scenes. Iran Contra, REX-84 (forerunner of FEMA), Pedophilia in the White House, tried to bust up the unions, etc., and that's what we know. All for god and Country, of course. Feel better?

Where was Ron Paul while Reagan wrote out his Executive Orders? Where was he when Clinton wrote out even more. And now we have worse yet! And where was he when Dennis Kucininch stood on the House floor, ALONE, while he read the Articles of Impeachment against Bush?

Excuse me if I STAY cynical. Tired of the lies. A politician is a politician. Period.
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Post: #88
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-23-2012 01:06 AM)
Luvapottamus and Angry Red Man, you seem to believe that I'm all for Obama's policies! Good grief! The charts I gave you showed just who shot the debt to the moon...REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATIONS!

If Bush were still in office, we'd have bomb, bomb, bombed Iran by now, so we'd have been warring on three fronts, not two, and would be in even greater debt by now. Be thankful that McCain didn't win over Obama. Same thing. He wanted WAR!

I don't have to take this back any further than Reagan. I didn't vote for him on the advice of Californians who knew the score. He waved the patriotic flag of "freedom" and people gushed all over him. Look at the debt he ran up! But people had jobs and were content, not knowing what was being played out behind the scenes. Iran Contra, REX-84 (forerunner of FEMA), Pedophilia in the White House, tried to bust up the unions, etc., and that's what we know. All for god and Country, of course. Feel better?

Where was Ron Paul while Reagan wrote out his Executive Orders? Where was he when Clinton wrote out even more. And now we have worse yet! And where was he when Dennis Kucininch stood on the House floor, ALONE, while he read the Articles of Impeachment against Bush?

Excuse me if I STAY cynical. Tired of the lies. A politician is a politician. Period.

I don't know what you think until you write it down.

So you aren't going to vote?

I can understand that.

Without writing that, I can only assume you support Obamney or Rombama.

Took me ten minutes to vote for Ron Paul, so I'm gonna do it again in November given the chance.

I would have voted for Kucinich.

I voted for Nader.

Heartflowers

(But your budget stuff also shows Obama stayed the course, so I take issue with the partisanship)

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Nationalize monetary policy at the FED, reinstate Greenbacks.
Wall Street Sales Tax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb5OQUElilo
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Post: #89
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Also, I was around during Ford, just couldn't vote until 1988.

I don't like any president I've had.

I'm sure if Ron wins I won't like a lot of what he does.

Bill Still or LaRouche would be preferable.

But Ron CAN REVOKE those executive orders if he's president, and it's rational to expect him to. He spoke out against them.

He did SUE Obama on Libya along with Kucinich.

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Nationalize monetary policy at the FED, reinstate Greenbacks.
Wall Street Sales Tax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb5OQUElilo
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Post: #90
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (04-23-2012 01:11 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-23-2012 01:06 AM)
Luvapottamus and Angry Red Man, you seem to believe that I'm all for Obama's policies! Good grief! The charts I gave you showed just who shot the debt to the moon...REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATIONS!

If Bush were still in office, we'd have bomb, bomb, bombed Iran by now, so we'd have been warring on three fronts, not two, and would be in even greater debt by now. Be thankful that McCain didn't win over Obama. Same thing. He wanted WAR!

I don't have to take this back any further than Reagan. I didn't vote for him on the advice of Californians who knew the score. He waved the patriotic flag of "freedom" and people gushed all over him. Look at the debt he ran up! But people had jobs and were content, not knowing what was being played out behind the scenes. Iran Contra, REX-84 (forerunner of FEMA), Pedophilia in the White House, tried to bust up the unions, etc., and that's what we know. All for god and Country, of course. Feel better?

Where was Ron Paul while Reagan wrote out his Executive Orders? Where was he when Clinton wrote out even more. And now we have worse yet! And where was he when Dennis Kucininch stood on the House floor, ALONE, while he read the Articles of Impeachment against Bush?

Excuse me if I STAY cynical. Tired of the lies. A politician is a politician. Period.

I don't know what you think until you write it down.

So you aren't going to vote?

I can understand that.

Without writing that, I can only assume you support Obamney or Rombama.

Took me ten minutes to vote for Ron Paul, so I'm gonna do it again in November given the chance.

I would have voted for Kucinich.

I voted for Nader.

Heartflowers

(But your budget stuff also shows Obama stayed the course, so I take issue with the partisanship)

You vote for whom you will. You will get no criticism from me and, hopefully, you will allow others the same courtesy. This is going to be a tough election. If Romney wins the nomination, I will vote for Obama, lacking a miracle.

The only reason I will vote this time is for Ted Cruise, who is running for the seat being vacated by Kay Bailey Hutchison (who should have been gone long ago). We have to get rid of the present faces in Congress before any meaningful change will happen for us.
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