Cosmah  Wrote:

Now we get closer to some of the core issues, the crux of the whole condition: Why barter in the first place? Why not 'do away' with bartering too? Ah, not so easy is it? The crux of the matter is that we live in a highly (dense) material-orientated world. People are used to "stuff", and LOTS of it! Go live of the grid and I guarantee you you are still going to need quite a bit of stuff. On this planet, in this reality field one simply cannot go without stuff for too long. It's how these bodies are put together as well - all revolving around stuff.

For virtually organisms who have a body on Earth, there is CONSTANT STUFF required in order to sustain it. One simply does not get away from stuff on this planet.

One could say, "let's all simply cooperate". Yes, that could work, although guarantee you no mater how mature all the people might be who might partake in such a community, there will always be disagreement by at least some people regarding others' contribution (or not.) There will be people who end up doing less than they agreed to, etc, etc, it is the nature of the les-than-wholeness of the human condition and it's consciousness (which is innate to this planet.)

So... how to deal with satisfying everyone and how might they show their contribution to the community? Their work, perhaps. Yes? Ok, so some sort of measure then? Fruit of their labour, perhaps? They might automatically have more to show for their input? Therefore they would have more 'stuff' to barter with. If there exists also a (real) currency then they might have more of that too. Well, that's pretty much what human societies were built upon and what has brought us to where we are today...

It's not the money as the inherent problem - however, as mentioned, the hijacking of it, is.

You make some great points in your post Cosmah, and sorry to have shortened it for brevity. I only took the point I felt like addressing at this point. And that is, yes, how do you satisfy everyone? I think it's utterly impossible due to the diversity of souls. Politics and political parties are a micro of that macro question. And because of the nature of the duality of this planet I don't think it can be done here. The scale weighs too heavily in favour of the materialist soul.

Perhaps barter is just a baby step in the right direction. Not just barter of goods, but barter of service as well.

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Al Kemist  Wrote:

Great point! Yes indeed that is exactly how I feel, scarcity is what drives our current economy. But it is a falsely created scarcity, so much so that growing organic veggies yourself will get you raided if you are doing it on a large enough scale, and even on a small scale the municipalities are starting to fine people for growing veggies on their own property in their own backyards! Now there is a desperate attempt to create scarcity.

Yes I would love to see the money system end, and I think in a society where we have truly evolved to the highest possible expression of both our individuals selves and our society as a collective, it would be unnecessary. In fact, I think we would see right through it and see how it actually holds us back in growing as a society. The bottom dollar line always seems to rob us of our dignity and turn basic humanitarian needs into profit margins and control structures. Even the need to believe in God is carefully structured into control hierarchies by the churches of organized religions. It is a sad thing to see our beautiful spirits shackled in so many ways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycow5TTwToI

I agree with most of the sentiment, however... there's just "a little more" to it all than a simple "it's money's fault" argument. For some on LOP, it will not be what they're used to hearing when I say: It is not money's fault. (That people find themselves trapped, stuck or virtually enslaved, and so forth.) I DO agree 100%, however, that the fiat money/fractional reserve system imposed on the world IS a significant part of the problem and a powerful tool in the hands of those trying to play 'masters of earth'. The monetary system as it stands is wholly improper and out of balance with all Natural Law, serving as the enabling tool for the few who are (big) energy vampires...

...however, forget not that money, even the broken money system we currently are accustomed to making use of is a form of energy exchange. (First and foremost, that is what money is.) The fact that our money has been hijacked is of course how they can suck energy out of the system (and everyone). It needs to be FIXED, to be true money. When it is real money and there are no more "leaks", proper energy exchanges can occur and economies stand far better chances of working and they will be stable as they should be.

(True) money is merely another form of barter, indeed, a far more efficient and effective form of barter (than individual goods.) I am all for barter, in all its forms, and (true) money is just another form of barter.

Now we get closer to some of the core issues, the crux of the whole condition: Why barter in the first place? Why not 'do away' with bartering too? Ah, not so easy is it? The crux of the matter is that we live in a highly (dense) material-orientated world. People are used to "stuff", and LOTS of it! Go live of the grid and I guarantee you you are still going to need quite a bit of stuff. On this planet, in this reality field one simply cannot go without stuff for too long. It's how these bodies are put together as well - all revolving around stuff.

For virtually organisms who have a body on Earth, there is CONSTANT STUFF required in order to sustain it. One simply does not get away from stuff on this planet.

One could say, "let's all simply cooperate". Yes, that could work, although guarantee you no mater how mature all the people might be who might partake in such a community, there will always be disagreement by at least some people regarding others' contribution (or not.) There will be people who end up doing less than they agreed to, etc, etc, it is the nature of the les-than-wholeness of the human condition and it's consciousness (which is innate to this planet.)

So... how to deal with satisfying everyone and how might they show their contribution to the community? Their work, perhaps. Yes? Ok, so some sort of measure then? Fruit of their labour, perhaps? They might automatically have more to show for their input? Therefore they would have more 'stuff' to barter with. If there exists also a (real) currency then they might have more of that too. Well, that's pretty much what human societies were built upon and what has brought us to where we are today...

It's not the money as the inherent problem - however, as mentioned, the hijacking of it, is.

There are many places throughout the universe - more advanced worlds (both spiritually and technologically) - where they also use money - very successfully and very harmoniously. There are also a few places where they do not use money, and it is also those same places where the beings inhabiting those worlds do not need to eat! Right there: is one of the greatest stumbling blocks that people (and animals) are faced with on Earth - and guess what? It is not Natural, never was, until things were (purposefully) messed with in this part of the universe.

We have become vampires. What we in this world call "eating" is worse than being a vampire, and, no, I am not referring only to meat. Plants (except fruit) suffer just as much when they are eaten. Humans were not designed to eat in order to sustain themselves, but now these bodies need to.

Fantastic Cosmah as always! I wish I had time to go into this subject more right now but holy cow life is so crazy right now I have not had much time for LOP lately. Just wanted to send out love and let you know as always your input is appreciated and I will get back to you when things calm down my friend TY!