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**Frodgers**

can anyone tell me if Holograms are actually real ?

**Imagineer** · (This post was last modified: 04-09-2012 10:05 AM by Imagineer.)

Just looking at those pics of the plane you can tell they are photo-shopped in. Why does it have such a dark underbelly as if it had a strong shadow but you cant even see the wings? Meanwhile, the building on the left looks like debris is falling and neither it or the smoke even moves in that sequence.

**Ghenghy**

Frodgers Wrote:

can anyone tell me if Holograms are actually real ?

Yes, but its too expensive to field commercially. Give you a good example using a virtual reality combat simulator for the Army. Its 100% commercially available hardware integrated with custom software based on off the shelf gaming platforms... total cost per trainee platform: $35,000/per. So you're not going to see one of these on your desktop or XBox anytime soon.

Much of the holographic technology that exists today was funded by DARPA, and may never be seen commercially due to ownership. But if somebody can figure out how to convert a Blu-Ray disc for projection by a holographic imager in your living room and make it affordable, then DARPA will take a royalty, as long as the core technology isn't compromised.

I was working on 3D shit 25 years ago, and its just now coming to market. If I had to guess how long it will take for holographic projectors to make it to Best Buy, I'd say about 10-15 years.

BTW, the main thing holding VR back is the cost of the head mount displays. If they ever get a 1080p head mount with a reasonable field of view under $500 look-the-f*ck-out!

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 42895 04-09-2012 05:41 PM

whoDunIt Wrote:

Zero Point Wrote:
Wow, Whodunit! Very interesting.
Thanks man!

Happy to post. Here is a crop of the closest full plane shot, looks like the plane is broken.
link to image: http://imgupld.lunaticoutpost.com/graphi...829674.jpg

Nice work with that frame by frame. I know that takes some time, so thanks for that.

The peculiar thing I noticed is that the plane almost completely disappears after it hits/goes into the building. There are a couple frames where all that is left is some dots on the side of the building.
Since there are concrete and steel pillars on the exterior, I would really expect some pieces and plane debris to be rebounded off these pillars and thrown back out into the air.

If you ever watched the slow motion of the F-4 Phantom being crashed high speed for testing purposes you can note that some parts ricochet and bounce back in various directions - just as physics and experience have demonstrated over our lifetimes of observation.

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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 40036 04-09-2012 06:36 PM

Ghenghy Wrote:

Never seen that view of the towers at 5:20. Downloaded the vid so I can look at it frame by frame. Thanks.

Good short 25 minute video. Lots of footage I haven't seen plus interviews, and reports of multiple explosions from live interviews with the NYPD.

BTW, thats Paradise Circus by Massive Attack at 5:00, and Nylon Smile by Portishead at 17:13. You're welcome.

OK, I looked closely at the video of the plane hitting the tower at 5:22, and I'm wondering where did the left wing go, it literally disappears, you can still see the left engine, but there is no wing supporting it? And in fact, the right wing fades to bare visibility. Evidence of digital trickery I would say. I'll make pics tomorrow and enhance them for posting, but anybody watching this video can see what I'm talking about. BTW, this would not have been live footage, but would have been shown later in the day or the next, if at all. Dont know the source of the video.

I noticed the same thing. I couldn't control it as well as I'd liked but the nose and left wing just vanish (possibly smashed up against the concrete walls?) before the explosion covers it up. The spot where the wing and engine should have impacted don't show a reaction at all. It just doesn't LOOK like a plane crashing into a steel/concrete object.

Something new from the video I hadn't noticed before but the way as the tower tops fell down, the tower structure immediately below seems to violently push outwards uniformly in all directions. Like a banana being peeled.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 40036 04-09-2012 06:50 PM

From watching this video, I am sure that the plane did not have it's left wing upon impact past the engine.,,

I'd like to propose an explanation that Dr Judy Wood would enjoy.

Space Hutchison Effect.

Beaming straight down, they weakened the steel structures. The ALUMINUM wing on the second plane was vaporized because it accidentally came under the path of the beam weapon. That is why there simply IS NO LEFT WING past the engine for the last 100 feet of travel or so before impact.

**DCG** lop guest User ID: 78374 04-09-2012 06:53 PM

Never been a proponent of the no-plane theory. Always considered it disinfo.

Still not convinced but now I’m on the fence. Some eye opening analyses you guys are doing.

**JF Priest** · **JF Priest** Subscriber User ID: 47416 04-09-2012 06:53 PM **Posts: 24,033**

Ghenghy Wrote:

whoDunIt Wrote:
Technology i know well. Did you rip the frames? I have 19 of them, some very interesting stuff. I loaded them up in gimp and played with them a bit. The pixels seem to line up well but the wing does completely disappear, there is no remnant of it, no outline, no left over shaded pixels that match the wing color, just the building behind it.

Woohoo! So I'm not crazy after all? Wait, dont answer that!

Good job Dunit, I was going to break down these frames tomorrow, but if you beat me to it go ahead and post what you have. BTW, this is a great tool ....... you don't need an account, just upload your pic from your hard drive to enhance the resolution and resize the image.

http://reshade.com/online-image-resizer/add-image

Wish somebody would pin this.

**ButtonsAren'tToys** · (This post was last modified: 04-09-2012 08:16 PM by ButtonsAren'tToys.)

I just got it to work

OMG
just
oh my god

**Balls Deep**

Thanks OP. I will watch later..

Popcorn

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 78374 04-09-2012 08:36 PM

ButtonsArentToys Wrote:

I just got it to work

OMG
just
oh my god

Yeah.

Those first couple minutes really grab you by the short hairs and then it never quite lets go.

**Ghenghy**

LoP Guest Wrote:

From watching this video, I am sure that the plane did not have it's left wing upon impact past the engine.,,

I'd like to propose an explanation that Dr Judy Wood would enjoy.

Space Hutchison Effect.

Beaming straight down, they weakened the steel structures. The ALUMINUM wing on the second plane was vaporized because it accidentally came under the path of the beam weapon. That is why there simply IS NO LEFT WING past the engine for the last 100 feet of travel or so before impact.

LOL then why wasnt the tower in the process of failing when the plane impacted?

The reason is very simple and has been proven in the photos above, the plane was "added" to the footage digitally.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 82316 04-09-2012 09:07 PM

The video is well worth the time.
Thanks for posting OP...

Also queue up the no plane disinfo d1c45 to derail the entire thing..

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 78374 04-09-2012 09:20 PM

Ghenghy Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
From watching this video, I am sure that the plane did not have it's left wing upon impact past the engine.,,

I'd like to propose an explanation that Dr Judy Wood would enjoy.

Space Hutchison Effect.

Beaming straight down, they weakened the steel structures. The ALUMINUM wing on the second plane was vaporized because it accidentally came under the path of the beam weapon. That is why there simply IS NO LEFT WING past the engine for the last 100 feet of travel or so before impact.

LOL then why wasnt the tower in the process of failing when the plane impacted?

The reason is very simple and has been proven in the photos above, the plane was "added" to the footage digitally.

Wait. Now I'm confused. I thought it was a holographic projection.

If this video was altered, that would mean they're ALL altered. That doesn't seem plausible. There would have to be independent footage out there somewhere that shows the building just exploding by itself without a plane impacting it. None exists that I'm aware of. If every known video shows a plane, that would have to mean a projection, wouldn't it?