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**Devout Agnostic**

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
If you think Western civilization is so evil why don't you give up your computer, car, electricity and every invention made possible by it. Oh you won't hypocrite...

Technology is not evil.

Devout Agnostic Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
If you think Western civilization is so evil why don't you give up your computer, car, electricity and every invention made possible by it. Oh you won't hypocrite...

If an evil man grows an orchard, will his fruit necessarily be evil?

And so what right does the person who's EATING that fruit have to call the person who planted it evil? Maybe that person should go plant his own orchard and eat his own fruit...

It was just a metaphor. I don't agree or disagree with guest's comment about an evil magician being the architect of western civilization, but the idea that an evil person created the reality construct we live in does not necessarily mean that the construct itself is entirely evil, or even mostly evil, or necessarily evil in-and-of-itself at all.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 95643 05-10-2012 12:20 PM

GREY LENSMAN Wrote:

WHY IS IT

"DEPRESSING SHIT"

TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED

BUT THAT YOU REALLY ARE THE MASTER OF YOUR OWN DESTINY

THATS ENLIGHTENING AND EMPOWERING NOT DEPRESSING

UNLESS YOU ARE ONE OF THEM (THE DECEIVERS)

GL

We are indeed the masters of our own destiny... but if you are using the wrong map you are f*cked.... Good luck by the way... Heartflowers

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 94702 05-10-2012 12:29 PM

Good thread OP, thanks. Philip K Dick was a great writer, and the topic is important. Heartflowers

**GREY LENSMAN**

WHY WOULD AN EVIL PERSON, WITH THE POWER TO CONSTRUCT A REALITY, NOT CONSTRUCT IT IN HIS OWN IMAGE, THAT IS EVIL.

SEEMS THATS EXACTLY WHAT THEIR BOOK TOLD US.

GL

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 95643 05-10-2012 12:45 PM

GREY LENSMAN Wrote:

WHY WOULD AN EVIL PERSON, WITH THE POWER TO CONSTRUCT A REALITY, NOT CONSTRUCT IT IN HIS OWN IMAGE, THAT IS EVIL.

SEEMS THATS EXACTLY WHAT THEIR BOOK TOLD US.

GL

Quoting the bible on one thread.. then having a go on another... my my... will the real GREY LENSMAN stand up!!!... Heartflowers

**GREY LENSMAN**

I AM ME

I AM ASKING QUESTIONS, NOT QUOTING, SUBTLE DIFFERENCE.

THATS ME

GL

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 95643 05-10-2012 12:59 PM

GREY LENSMAN Wrote:

I AM ME

I AM ASKING QUESTIONS, NOT QUOTING, SUBTLE DIFFERENCE.

THATS ME

GL

Oh, ok, thanks, that clears that up then... Heartflowers

It is true indeed.. "you will KNOW them by their fruits"... Heartflowers

**GREY LENSMAN**

I AGREE THAT IT I VERY ODD BUT THEY LOVE TO HIDE TRUTHS IN STRANGE PLACES AS WELL AS IN PLAIN SIGHT.

THATS WHY YOU HAVE TO DIG AROUND AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU FIND.

SOMETIMES YOU ARE RIGHT, SOMETIMES YOU ARE WRONG BUT YOU CONTINUE TO SEARCH.

THATS LIFE, ITS ALL ABOUT GROWTH, THE JOURNEY, THE DISCOVERY, NOTHING IS SETTLED.

Heartflowers

GL

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 95643 05-10-2012 01:08 PM

GREY LENSMAN Wrote:

I AGREE THAT IT I VERY ODD BUT THEY LOVE TO HIDE TRUTHS IN STRANGE PLACES AS WELL AS IN PLAIN SIGHT.

THATS WHY YOU HAVE TO DIG AROUND AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU FIND.

SOMETIMES YOU ARE RIGHT, SOMETIMES YOU ARE WRONG BUT YOU CONTINUE TO SEARCH.

THATS LIFE, ITS ALL ABOUT GROWTH, THE JOURNEY, THE DISCOVERY, NOTHING IS SETTLED.

GL

The truth is not hidden... it is in plain sight... just some eyes are blind... Heartflowers

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 84767 05-10-2012 01:14 PM

mstra Wrote:

A bit garbled and unclear, but the basic ideas agree with what I've put together from many sources.

My main disagreement would be with the evil magician being called the creator of this world; that he is the ruler seems apropos, but in my experience evil doesn't create, it only copies or steals from the good, who do create. So, the evil magician may claim to have created this world, but more likely he only stole it and imposed a distorted copy of a reality created by some other entity.

This world is the COPY.

**GREY LENSMAN**

WHAT IF WE ARE

THE EVIL MAGICIAN

WHAT THEN?

GL

**ASA**

"Man vs. God, God vs. Man. God vs. Nature, Nature vs. God. Very strange religion." D.T. Suzuki lecturing about Christianity.

And that was before you get into god vs. god.

For me, I can't agree with a philosophy that doesn't recognize the complete and utter spiritual equality of all beings. If I am deceived by such a simple thought, then I suppose there is no hope for me on this thread.

**Anonymous Carrot** lop guest User ID: 3531 05-11-2012 06:54 PM

Rasun Wrote:

The creator of this world is demented.
The world is not as it appears, in order to hide the evil in it, a delusive veil obscuring it and the deranged deity.

Rex Mundi

"To the Cathars, Rex Mundi was the false God - the chaotic god of material things, the Demiurge, and the embodiment of evil. The true God was one of spirituality, peace, and love, who created the heavens. Rex Mundi either created the physical world, or somehow captured it from the true God. To this line of thought, Rex Mundi also corrupted the church and worship of the true god, leading much of the church astray with physical power, wealth, and temptation in this life. As you can imagine, there was significant theological disagreement between the Cathars and the Catholics. This conflict eventually boiled into the Albigensian Crusade, wherein the Catholics wiped out the Cathars."

http://arcana.wikidot.com/rex-mundi

**Jessica6** · **Jessica6** Tired... User ID: 95193 05-12-2012 01:54 AM **Posts: 5,137**

GREY LENSMAN Wrote:

SEEMS A LITTLE CONFUSION ABOUT NATURE

ITS KILL OR BE KILLED

EAT OR BE EATEN

NOT THE "NOBLE SAVAGE"

GL

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show/256904