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**birdie**

DrPostman Wrote:

Arch Phoenix Wrote:
Bacteria are evolving imbecile.
They have a reproduction rate of 20 mins and we humans have created a lot of new bacteria types too.
Just f*ck off with your Bullshit and go complain to your pastor no one listens to you.
I didn't know birdie is a creationist. That explains so much!

Birdie is also a creationist with a biology degree.

I recommend you spend some time studying Antoine Beauchamp's work and pleomorphism.

Your faith in "modern medicine" will probably get you killed.

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Maybe it's some kind of "repository" - in the same sense the way we keep bacteria and viruses locked away in a secure area of the CDC Hiding

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birdie Wrote:

Birdie is also a creationist with a biology degree.
I recommend you spend some time studying Antoine Beauchamp's work and pleomorphism.
Your faith in "modern medicine" will probably get you killed.

So you're a Christian Scientists too. I'm familiar with Bechamp and
the 150+ year old sour grapes that his few followers still espouse.
I know antibiotics have healed me and I'm not going to stop taking
them when needed. I rarely take them, but when I do they have
always been effective. There's a good reason Pasteur is highly regarded
and Bechamp has faded into near obscurity.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 14792 04-14-2012 07:20 PM

Arch Phoenix Wrote:

birdie Wrote:
DrPostman Wrote:
Lechuguilla Cave has been completely isolated from the outside world for over four million years, making it one of the world's most pristine ecosystems. And yet it's full of bacteria that are resistant to modern antibiotics. This is fantastic news.

Part of New Mexico's Carlsbad Caverns, the cave was cut off from the rest of the world millions of years ago thanks to a thick layer of rock all around it. Only water could wend its way through the rock, and the path to the cave is so ridiculously tiny and circuitous that it takes ten thousand years to reach the cave itself. That means no new lifeforms had reached the cave until an entrance was first uncovered in 1984.

That's why the discovery of antibiotic-resistant bacteria inside the cave is so shocking. It's not just the fact that the bacterial strains in this cave evolved isolated from modern medicine — they are about twenty times older than the human race. The good news is that Lechuguilla Cave isn't some sort of bacterial time bomb — none of the strains found in the cave could cause disease in humans. They are superbugs in terms of their natural resistance to antibiotics, not their capacity for disease.

So yeah, that's good news, but why is this discovery great news? Well, this antibiotic resistance must have evolved for some reason, and the most obvious explanation is that the bacteria actually encountered naturally occurring antibiotics — possibly produced by the bacteria themselves as they competed with nearby microbes — and had to fight them off, as McMaster University researcher Gerry Wright observes:

"Our study shows that antibiotic resistance is hard-wired into bacteria, it could be billions of years old, but we have only been trying to understand it for the last 70 years. This has important clinical implications. It suggests that there are far more antibiotics in the environment, that could be found and used to treat currently untreatable infections."

The researchers say that, between all the different bacterial strains found in the cave, they were able to identify pretty much every form of antibiotic resistance known to medical science. What's more, one strain showed signs of a form of antibiotic resistance that hasn't emerged yet in a clinical setting. Since that particular strain is a distant relative of the anthrax bacterium, it's nice to have early warning of this potential threat, and this discovery gives time for clinicians to prepare for it.

The finding also demonstrates just how widespread antibiotic resistance is among bacteria, and that the emergence of such resistance is down to more than just poor human management of these drugs, which includes overuse of antibiotics on farms and patients not completely the entire course of prescribed antibiotics. The researchers found most of the bacteria were resistant to at least one antibiotic, and several were resistant to over a dozen antibiotics.

That fact could help explain just why superbugs have been able to emerge so fast in hospitals and farms, the two places where antibiotics are most heavily used. It's not simply a case of supercharged evolution — multiple studies suggest these disease-causing superbugs would need thousands, maybe even million of years to emerge without help.

Read The Rest HERE

This ridiculous article makes two ASSumptions.

Assumptions have nothing to do with science.

And if your assumptions are wrong, then the entire conclusion you have drawn is also wrong.

Assumption #1: These bacteria EVOLVED.

Assumption #2: Antibiotic resistance "must" have evolved for "some" reason.

And then there's the obvious erroneous assumption regarding the age. Preposterous.

So, what does this REALLY show?

It shows the bacteria were created, as is. With their "resistance."

Bacteria are evolving imbecile.
They have a reproduction rate of 20 mins and we humans have created a lot of new bacteria types too.

Just f*ck off with your Bullshit and go complain to your pastor no one listens to you.

No they have not evolved because it is still the same bacteria. These bugs have adapted and that is entirely different. Their reproduction rates allow them to adapt way faster than anything else and they adapted to counter molds as that would have been the only organism to be able to enter in their enviroment.

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LoP Guest Wrote:

No they have not evolved because it is still the same bacteria. These bugs have adapted and that is entirely different. Their reproduction rates allow them to adapt way faster than anything else and they adapted to counter molds as that would have been the only organism to be able to enter in their enviroment.

Documentation of mutations producing new features includes the following:
the ability of a bacterium to digest nylon (Negoro et al. 1994; Thomas n.d.; Thwaites 1985);
adaptation in yeast to a low-phosphate environment (Francis and Hansche 1972; 1973; Hansche 1975);
the ability of E. coli to hydrolyze galactosylarabinose (Hall 1981; Hall and Zuzel 1980);
evolution of multicellularity in a unicellular green alga (Boraas 1983; Boraas et al. 1998);
modification of E. coli's fucose pathway to metabolize propanediol (Lin and Wu 1984);
evolution in Klebsiella bacteria of a new metabolic pathway for metabolizing 5-carbon sugars (Hartley 1984);

There is evidence for mutations producing other novel proteins:
Proteins in the histidine biosynthesis pathway consist of beta/alpha barrels with a
twofold repeat pattern. These apparently evolved from the duplication and fusion
of genes from a half-barrel ancestor (Lang et al. 2000).
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB101_2.html

Next worn out argument?

**birdie**

DrPostman Wrote:

birdie Wrote:
Birdie is also a creationist with a biology degree.
I recommend you spend some time studying Antoine Beauchamp's work and pleomorphism.
Your faith in "modern medicine" will probably get you killed.
So you're a Christian Scientists too. I'm familiar with Bechamp and
the 150+ year old sour grapes that his few followers still espouse.
I know antibiotics have healed me and I'm not going to stop taking
them when needed. I rarely take them, but when I do they have
always been effective. There's a good reason Pasteur is highly regarded
and Bechamp has faded into near obscurity.

No, I'm Catholic.

If Pasteur's theory were correct, vaccines would work. They don't.

**Black H@t**

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Honey: Hugs

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Coconut Oil: Hugs

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birdie Wrote:

No, I'm Catholic.
If Pasteur's theory were correct, vaccines would work. They don't.

I used to be Catholic. 8 years of Catholic school brainwashing didn't
work. When you are terrorized by nuns for that long it's hard to see
"the love", not to mention the asshole priest we had (at least he didn't
screw little boys, as far as I know, he ran off with one of the nuns. His
name was Father Pew at St. Paul's in Memphis if you don't believe me.
It happened about 35 years ago).

So you claim that Polio wasn't all but eradicated? Smallpox hasn't
been eradicated?

Really?

**birdie**

DrPostman Wrote:

birdie Wrote:
No, I'm Catholic.
If Pasteur's theory were correct, vaccines would work. They don't.
I used to be Catholic. 8 years of Catholic school brainwashing didn't
work. When you are terrorized by nuns for that long it's hard to see
"the love", not to mention the asshole priest we had (at least he didn't
screw little boys, as far as I know, he ran off with one of the nuns. His
name was Father Pew at St. Paul's in Memphis if you don't believe me.
It happened about 35 years ago).

So you claim that Polio wasn't all but eradicated? Smallpox hasn't
been eradicated?

Really?

Funny you mention polio.

Didn't we talk about it recently on another thread? Or maybe that was with someone else?

Anyway, no - polio was in severe decline before Salk introduced his vaccine. And then when his vaccine hit the market, the rate of polio cases increased by some 45% to 640% - depending on the state. Within a couple of years, 17 states had halted their polio vaccine programs because so many people were getting sick and dying.

Even Salk himself testified before Congress in 1976 that all modern cases of polio were caused by the vaccine itself.

I'll go dig up some links for you.

**birdie**

The modern-day oral version of the polio vaccine KILLED 540 people in the USA from 1990-94. That's an awful lot of dead people/children.

Here's a link to some stats:

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/polio.html

Quote:"On September 24, 1976, the Washington Post reported Dr. Salk’s assertion that the Sabin live oral virus vaccine had been the “principal if not sole cause” of every reported polio case in the United States since 1961. (1) Salk repeated this accusation July 6, 1977, when he was interviewed on CBC television (2), saying: “(W)e have known now since 1961 in the United States , and prior to that in other countries, that the live virus vaccine for polio does cause the disease itself.”

In 1976, he testified before a congressional committee that the live-virus (oral) vaccine(for practical purposes, the only kind used in America since the early 1960s) was “the principle, if not the sole cause”of all reported polio cases since 1961.The next year Dr. Salk made this statement in Science magazine:

“The live polio virus vaccine has been the predominant cause of domestically arising cases of paralytic poliomyelitis in the United States since 1972. To avoid the occurrence of such cases, it would be necessary to discontinue the routine use of live polio vaccine.”— Dr. Jonas Salk, Science, April 4, 1977.

**birdie**

Here's another good one:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/63075912/Polio

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birdie Wrote:

Funny you mention polio.
Didn't we talk about it recently on another thread? Or maybe that was with someone else?
Anyway, no - polio was in severe decline before Salk introduced his vaccine. And then when his vaccine hit the market, the rate of polio cases increased by some 45% to 640% - depending on the state. Within a couple of years, 17 states had halted their polio vaccine programs because so many people were getting sick and dying.
Even Salk himself testified before Congress in 1976 that all modern cases of polio were caused by the vaccine itself.
I'll go dig up some links for you.

Part of the SMALL decline before 1955 can be attributed to Salk
conducting trials with 1.8 million children. AFTER the mass inoculations
began is when the rates dropped dramatically:

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http://www.drwile.com/lnkpages/render.asp?vac_effective

Please read the above link, especially where he notes the high
probability of kids getting measles who don't get vaccinated.

Diphtheria, measles and rubella ALL dropped dramatically after vaccines
were introduced:
http://www.drwile.com/lnkpages/render.as...r_diseases

Nothing to say about the eradication of smallpox? Deaths from
vaccinations are sad but often there are other causes, not the
vaccine. Polio peaked at 56,000 cases in 1952 with only a drop
to 35,000 2 years later, 3 years after that there were only 2.500
and by 1965 only 61 cases.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/dis-faqs.htm