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**Zero Point**

Free Range Humans Wrote:

Zero Point Wrote:
Free Range Humans Wrote:
Towers weren't a brick wall, they were a glass box with a comparatively delicate metal frame for it's mass.

Sectional Density and Velocity have a great deal to do with the penetrative ability of a projectile.

A modern aluminum hunting arrow would be a better analogy than an aerosol spray can.

The towers were essentially turned into diesel fired Rocket Stoves, Diesel Fired Rocket Stoves can and do melt steel if they get too much air and fuel(even wood fuel)

You are not an engineer of any sort or you would already know this

If I fired my bow at a steel beam the arrow would shatter.

Fire it at a glass box with a frame made out of coat hangers and get back with me

That would go straight through, probably go through about 5 of 'em.

**Free Range Humans**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Free Range Humans Wrote:
Real Boeing Engineer Wrote:
Aircraft are nothing more than lightweight, hollow tubes, kind of like an empty coke can. Try to throw an empty coke can through a steel reinforced brick wall and let me know how that works out for you.

Or a full coke can.

Or a hairspray can.

Or another brick.

Or a brick with a firecracker tied to it.

Or anything a fraction of the size of the building itself.

Let me know if your brick wall collapses into a perfectly tiny pile of smoldering rubble.

Towers weren't a brick wall, they were a glass box with a comparatively delicate metal frame for it's mass.

Sectional Density and Velocity have a great deal to do with the penetrative ability of a projectile.

A modern aluminum hunting arrow would be a better analogy than an aerosol spray can.

The towers were essentially turned into diesel fired Rocket Stoves, Diesel Fired Rocket Stoves can and do melt steel if they get too much air and fuel(even wood fuel)

You are not an engineer of any sort or you would already know this

You're speaking out of school, son.

Here, argue with an MIT professor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8W-t57xnZg

f*ck MIT, CalTech Rulez!

Prolly the same professor that taught these doucherockets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve23i5K334

**Free Range Humans**

Zero Point Wrote:

Free Range Humans Wrote:
Zero Point Wrote:
If I fired my bow at a steel beam the arrow would shatter.

Fire it at a glass box with a frame made out of coat hangers and get back with me

That would go straight through, probably go through about 5 of 'em.

Now glue some wings to the side of that arrow

**DanceChillGroove**

The manner of the victim's death, the murder weapon used, and the motive, are important only in so far as it leads to the perpetrator.

The 9/11 truth movement has become bogged down by this pointless bickering over HOW the buildings were brought down. Even the motive, the WHY, is more important than the HOW.

A dozen red herrings distract from what is ultimately THE point of an honest investigation...WHO are the criminals responsible?

Over a decade after the fact, it hardly matters anymore exactly HOW it was done. It's the murder mystery of this generation. We must find WHO did it!

**Zero Point**

Free Range Humans Wrote:

Zero Point Wrote:
Free Range Humans Wrote:
Fire it at a glass box with a frame made out of coat hangers and get back with me

That would go straight through, probably go through about 5 of 'em.

Now glue some wings to the side of that arrow

There are some already.
They'd get ripped off by the first pane of glass most likely, at least that's what happens when one of my arrows goes right through a target.
Perhaps airplane wings are stronger?
I don't know a lot about fisucs but I reckon they wouldn't be.

**Zero Point**

DanceChillGroove Wrote:

The manner of the victim's death, the murder weapon used, and the motive, are important only in so far as it leads to the perpetrator.

The 9/11 truth movement has become bogged down by this pointless bickering over HOW the buildings were brought down. Even the motive, the WHY, is more important than the HOW.

A dozen red herrings distract from what is ultimately THE point of an honest investigation...WHO are the criminals responsible?

Over a decade after the fact, it hardly matters anymore exactly HOW it was done. It's the murder mystery of this generation. We must find WHO did it!

Excellent point...

**Currahee** · (This post was last modified: 03-26-2012 06:49 AM by Currahee.)

Sometimes I think the 'No Real Planes were Involved on 9/11' theories to be straight disinfo and discredit.

It detracts from the main point that 9/11 was an inside job and the buildings where controlled demo.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 86179 03-26-2012 06:52 AM

KNowing HOW it was done is essential to figuring out WHO...

Are you prepared to level some accusations, and back them up with some evidence?

**Strategos**

LoP Guest Wrote:

KNowing HOW it was done is essential to figuring out WHO...

Are you prepared to level some accusations, and back them up with some evidence?

Strategos Wrote:

Real planes, real buildings, real hijackers, real passengers, real gashes in sides of buildings, real explosives in basements, real rigged for demolition steel girders, real Muhammad Atallah, Real flight training, real Florida flight schools,

all tied together by very real Mossad handlers under the direct supervision of Benyamin Netanyahu.

Forget this easily debunked "CGI planes" red herring business!

Strategos Wrote:

And Ziyad Jarrah was the Mossad's main informer/infiltrator. He was being controlled through his cousin, Ali Jarrah, who lived in Lebanon and was compromised by the Mossad. It was he who brought in Ziyad at the direction of his Mossad handler.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/19/world/...banon.html

Ziyad is the key that leads back to Netanyahu. Spread the word, follow the clues.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 86179 03-26-2012 06:57 AM

CURRAHEE,

Why is no real planes disinfo? Please explain. I honestly believe the videos are clearly faked, which does imply but not prove real planes were not used.

The 911 movement is divided, true.

Do you believe the OCT?

**DanceChillGroove**

Currahee Wrote:

Sometimes I think the 'No Real Planes were Involved on 9/11' theories to be straight disinfo and discredit.

It detracts from the main point that 9/11 was an inside job and the buildings where controlled demo.

Finally. Thank you. Someone else tracking with me.

After all this fine engineering investigation and calculating and hypothesizing OP, what are your conclusions as to who the perp may have been? Who is your number one prime suspect?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 86179 03-26-2012 07:00 AM

"No Planes" is not easily debunked. It is the phoney plane-strike videos that are easily debunked.

The shills are eager to cover up this fact, because it is the key to the crime.

**DanceChillGroove**

LoP Guest Wrote:

KNowing HOW it was done is essential to figuring out WHO...

Are you prepared to level some accusations, and back them up with some evidence?

It's important yes, but not essential.

The motive, the WHY, is far more important. Who benefits? Who stands to gain power? Who profits most?

**Free Range Humans**

Zero Point Wrote:

Free Range Humans Wrote:
Zero Point Wrote:
That would go straight through, probably go through about 5 of 'em.

Now glue some wings to the side of that arrow

There are some already.
They'd get ripped off by the first pane of glass most likely, at least that's what happens when one of my arrows goes right through a target.
Perhaps airplane wings are stronger?
I don't know a lot about fisucs but I reckon they wouldn't be.

The wings have a spar which is quite strong(like a big bow actually) and they also happen to be full of fuel meaning they are also heavy.

The wings would slow down the arrow(airliner fuselage) and make it come to rest in the first glass and wire box and they would also be dumping fuel from the point of entry to where the shaft came to rest. The electric motors, capacitors and various solenoids in a Jet would be plenty to ignite it many of them capable of "Arc Welder" levels of sparking.

Now we have a glass box, with a grate for the fuel and a nice big hole for intake and exhaust.If we can add enough air to this contraption we have made a diesel fueled rocket stove! Oh wait, we have elevator and utility shafts right in the center of the building! They are large and numerous carrying fuel down and air up going all the way down to the central entrance and a large open space at the bottom of the building! The intake and exhaust circuit is complete we now have a furnace capable of igniting of melting any material in the building.

It could easily melt steel and even glass. The central shafts would spread the heat from the middle outward and as the upper levels became a boiling mass they would pour down the central shafts until they reached the very bottom.

By the time those towers fell they were essentially molten and hollowed out from the inside central elevator and utility shafts.

I made my own diesel/bio-diesel forced air blast furnace/forge for knife making and blacksmithing and I melted several very heavy duty steel items by accident underestimating it's thermal output.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 86179 03-26-2012 07:08 AM

Where does AJONES stand on "no planes"? Hint: It scares the piss out of him. That is your first clue. It is going to take you a while, but I was once where you are, calling the no planers disinfo.

Truth is, 911 Truth is more controlled opposition than not.

Especially in the realm of "no planes"- the perps have lots of shills intentionally putting out no plane disinfo. Same as they have clowns like AJ herding the truth movement along into theri pidgeonhole.