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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-22-2012 10:56 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
FreedomStands Wrote:
What does that mean?

exactly what it states, nothing more -- nothing less

One could say "all things are one" and God is the One which encompasses all things, and the one thing God is not is "nothing" or "not God".

that definition binds God, is God not boundless ??

**FreedomStands**

LoP Guest Wrote:

God creates with evolution...

God is EVERYTHING, breathes through everything, and connects everything together.

Here's my description, or metaphor for an atheist.
-An Atheist is the equivalent of the flea denying the existence of the dog.-

Good one, similar to what I say, check out my thread!

Though, if there was nothing at all, there would still be God. So God isn't really "everything" exactly, because God would still exist despite there being nothing else.

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LoP Guest Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
exactly what it states, nothing more -- nothing less

One could say "all things are one" and God is the One which encompasses all things, and the one thing God is not is "nothing" or "not God".

that definition binds God, is God not boundless ??

Can't take that to extremes that mess around with language. God is without boundaries or limitations, but that doesn't mean one has to take it to the point of absurdities like "God doesn't exist because God has to include not existing too because God cant be bound to existing" or weird things like that.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-22-2012 11:00 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

Though, if there was nothing at all, there would still be God. So God isn't really "everything" exactly, because God would still exist despite there being nothing else.

God is not so much the creator: God is creating, ever growing, ever changing

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-22-2012 11:02 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

God is without boundaries or limitations, but that doesn't mean one

in all aspects of human language, isn't the term 'one' the most binding definition or concept there is ??

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LoP Guest Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
but with Jesus, didn't God the father give up his authority to his son ??

meaning the enabled are more important than the enabler....

No, I don't think God gave up authority to Jesus. Jesus was sent by God:

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in the son should not perish, but have everlasting life.

doesn't that mean that the son is more important than the father ??

doesn't that mean that god relinquished his power to his son ??

Absolutely not. What does "believing" in Jesus and what Jesus has to say, have to do with relinquishing authority? God sent Jesus to teach the people the way to receive the good rewards in the afterlife, by following the commandments of God and taking them to the extreme, and also avoiding sin to an extreme.

I don't get the impression from that section that any authority was given to Jesus, Jesus himself prays to God, and Jesus himself said that God is the one commanding him. No way is Jesus more important than God. Jesus himself said the most important commandment is that there is only One Lord and that is God.

**FreedomStands** · (This post was last modified: 02-22-2012 11:04 PM by FreedomStands.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
God is without boundaries or limitations, but that doesn't mean one
in all aspects of human language, isn't the term 'one' the most binding definition or concept there is ??

Not really, if the "one" we are talking about is not a particle, but rather the all encompassing infinite, of which everything is within and made of and made by. Then "One" is all it is, everything is "One" and even if there was nothing else, there would still be "One" and that would be God. An infinite is one, and "everything" is one. God is One in a sense that nothing else can be, because there is nothing like God and there can be no other all encompassing infinite.

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LoP Guest Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
Though, if there was nothing at all, there would still be God. So God isn't really "everything" exactly, because God would still exist despite there being nothing else.

God is not so much the creator: God is creating, ever growing, ever changing

Something that is infinite can't really "grow".

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-22-2012 11:05 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

Though, if there was nothing at all, there would still be God. So God isn't really "everything" exactly, because God would still exist despite there being nothing else.

under such a supposition, God wouldn't be a creator, as a creator can not exist with creation

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Everyone, please bring these discussion points to my thread, because I can't keep track of this thread once I leave if it falls off the first page, so just tell me the rest in my thread, thanks!

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LoP Guest Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
Though, if there was nothing at all, there would still be God. So God isn't really "everything" exactly, because God would still exist despite there being nothing else.

under such a supposition, God wouldn't be a creator, as a creator can not exist with creation

Huh? I don't know what that means or how you come to that conclusion. Everything is within God, nothing is without God.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-22-2012 11:08 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
FreedomStands Wrote:
Though, if there was nothing at all, there would still be God. So God isn't really "everything" exactly, because God would still exist despite there being nothing else.

God is not so much the creator: God is creating, ever growing, ever changing

Something that is infinite can't really "grow".

it can change, be constantly changing -- God can change and be constantly changing

otherwise God would be dead, 'over with'

**axx** lop guest User ID: 80062 02-22-2012 11:09 PM

axx Wrote:

OP pulled a runner

Jesus is a historic fact. Caveman is a textbook fiction.

Evilooshun is NWO brainwashing! [1][2][3]

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-22-2012 11:10 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
FreedomStands Wrote:
Though, if there was nothing at all, there would still be God. So God isn't really "everything" exactly, because God would still exist despite there being nothing else.

under such a supposition, God wouldn't be a creator, as a creator can not exist with creation

Huh? I don't know what that means or how you come to that conclusion. Everything is within God, nothing is without God.

Though, if there was nothing at all, there would still be God

so are you meaning God created God ?? God is God's creation ??

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-22-2012 11:11 PM

axx Wrote:

axx Wrote:
OP pulled a runner

Jesus is a historic fact. Caveman is a textbook fiction.

Evilooshun is NWO brainwashing! [1][2][3]

what at you trying to say ??

i read it before, it made no sense then, it makes no sense now