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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-22-2012 11:15 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

Everyone, please bring these discussion points to my thread, because I can't keep track of this thread once I leave if it falls off the first page, so just tell me the rest in my thread, thanks!

can you start a new one ??

that one has a bunch of pages to catch up on....

**FreedomStands**

LoP Guest Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
God is not so much the creator: God is creating, ever growing, ever changing

Something that is infinite can't really "grow".

it can change, be constantly changing -- God can change and be constantly changing

otherwise God would be dead, 'over with'

The information within God, that God produced, is constantly changing, but God itself is infinite and does not spacially expand because an infinite encompasses all space, there is nothing outside of it.

**FreedomStands**

LoP Guest Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
Everyone, please bring these discussion points to my thread, because I can't keep track of this thread once I leave if it falls off the first page, so just tell me the rest in my thread, thanks!

can you start a new one ??

that one has a bunch of pages to catch up on....

I only wanted to have 1 thread on LOP. Yeah, it is true it has many pages. Though I keep track of the conversations happening at the last pages.

It appears to be 48 pages for me because I've set it to max posts per page.

**The Evil AC** I am not a number!!! User ID: 666 02-22-2012 11:18 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
FreedomStands Wrote:
Something that is infinite can't really "grow".

it can change, be constantly changing -- God can change and be constantly changing

otherwise God would be dead, 'over with'

The information within God, that God produced, is constantly changing, but God itself is infinite and does not spacially expand because an infinite encompasses all space, there is nothing outside of it.

That is a contradiction. You have stated many times it is impossible for nothing to exist.
How much money are you making off the Internet and long threads?

**HardTruth**

LoP Guest Wrote:

HardTruth Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
the 'catch' with eternal life is eternal death

anyways, yes one may decline....

like many, heritage isn't a concern of yours

And like many, you completely failed to grasp the full implications of the lesson!!

I suppose, like Santa, someone is making a list and checking it twice, and going to report back to the boss who has been naughty or nice?

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

i grasp that once you are dead, your life and living would be irrelevant to anyone/anything but yourself, correct ??

If that were the case, what makes you believe it's really relevant to anyone or anything while you are alive, except for yourself?

Certainly not worth the existence of some other higher entity to record every event of it!!

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

**FreedomStands**

LoP Guest Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
under such a supposition, God wouldn't be a creator, as a creator can not exist with creation

Huh? I don't know what that means or how you come to that conclusion. Everything is within God, nothing is without God.

Though, if there was nothing at all, there would still be God

so are you meaning God created God ?? God is God's creation ??

No? I was just saying the rocks, and matter, and whatever else, isn't God, nor does God need those things to be God, but God is what existed first, and always existed and was not created or produced, everything else is information within it which it produced. It is the eternal infinite which encompasses everything, but even if there were not those things, it would still exist, it doesn't need those things to be "God" is what I was saying.

**FreedomStands**

HardTruth Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
HardTruth Wrote:
And like many, you completely failed to grasp the full implications of the lesson!!

I suppose, like Santa, someone is making a list and checking it twice, and going to report back to the boss who has been naughty or nice?

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

i grasp that once you are dead, your life and living would be irrelevant to anyone/anything but yourself, correct ??

If that were the case, what makes you believe it's really relevant to anyone or anything while you are alive, except for yourself?

Certainly not worth the existence of some other higher entity to record every event of it!!

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

Did you ever answer to the things I wrote? You seem to be imagining some limited beings with forms and stuff rather than what sustains and animates all information.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-22-2012 11:21 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
FreedomStands Wrote:
Something that is infinite can't really "grow".

it can change, be constantly changing -- God can change and be constantly changing

otherwise God would be dead, 'over with'

The information within God, that God produced, is constantly changing, but God itself is infinite and does not spacially expand because an infinite encompasses all space, there is nothing outside of it.

so there is nothing to be concerned with then, as God has it all under-control....humans are meaningless and irrelevant

God, and God alone bears all the responsibility for 'everything'

God is evil, God is good

**FreedomStands** · (This post was last modified: 02-22-2012 11:22 PM by FreedomStands.)

The Evil AC Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
it can change, be constantly changing -- God can change and be constantly changing

otherwise God would be dead, 'over with'

The information within God, that God produced, is constantly changing, but God itself is infinite and does not spacially expand because an infinite encompasses all space, there is nothing outside of it.

That is a contradiction. You have stated many times it is impossible for nothing to exist.
How much money are you making off the Internet and long threads?

Probably as much as you are making for hiding to make posts to me and accuse me of things, which I think is zero dollars.

I only have 1 thread. I am not making any money from what I talk about or post or the length or anything.

"there is nothing outside of it" means "nothing exists outside of it" it isn't a contradiction. There isn't anything outside of it is what I'm saying, yes, nothing doesn't exist, only what I call God exists.

**Humble Soul**

LoP Guest Wrote:

You read it...

Evolution is a fact, it has been proved, but god is only an unfalsifiable hypothesis.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-22-2012 11:24 PM

HardTruth Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
HardTruth Wrote:
And like many, you completely failed to grasp the full implications of the lesson!!

I suppose, like Santa, someone is making a list and checking it twice, and going to report back to the boss who has been naughty or nice?

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

i grasp that once you are dead, your life and living would be irrelevant to anyone/anything but yourself, correct ??

If that were the case, what makes you believe it's really relevant to anyone or anything while you are alive, except for yourself?

Certainly not worth the existence of some other higher entity to record every event of it!!

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

yes, but if there is no authority, shouldn't humans focus their actions on what is good -- basically establish a moral foundation of sorts for existing ??

**FreedomStands**

LoP Guest Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
it can change, be constantly changing -- God can change and be constantly changing

otherwise God would be dead, 'over with'

The information within God, that God produced, is constantly changing, but God itself is infinite and does not spacially expand because an infinite encompasses all space, there is nothing outside of it.

so there is nothing to be concerned with then, as God has it all under-control....humans are meaningless and irrelevant

God, and God alone bears all the responsibility for 'everything'

God is evil, God is good

That is right, but that doesn't mean jumping to the conclusion that there is no way for us to at least attempt on the immediate level what seems to be an effort to gain benefit and avoid harm. Our only purpose can be to try to survive, and survive beneficially if possible. Yes, on the Ultimate level, it may be that God is what determined the results we ended up choosing, but on the immediate level we should still try if we can try or seem to try to make an effort to benefit ourselves and avoid harm, and to get benefit later as well, after our deaths, in case there is to be more.

**The Lucky AC** Everything in life is luck User ID: 888 02-22-2012 11:26 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

The Evil AC Wrote:
FreedomStands Wrote:
The information within God, that God produced, is constantly changing, but God itself is infinite and does not spacially expand because an infinite encompasses all space, there is nothing outside of it.

That is a contradiction. You have stated many times it is impossible for nothing to exist.
How much money are you making off the Internet and long threads?

Probably as much as you are making for hiding to make posts to me and accuse me of things, which I think is zero dollars.

I only have 1 thread. I am not making any money from what I talk about or post or the length or anything.

"there is nothing outside of it" means "nothing exists outside of it" it isn't a contradiction. There isn't anything outside of it is what I'm saying, yes, nothing doesn't exist, only what I call God exists.

I was just asking a question. A friend told me there is money to be made off the net if you know how.
It does seem that by having a super long thread you are now on the LOP top 10 threads list.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-22-2012 11:27 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

but God is what existed first,

that is basically your personal credo isn't....

'first' above all else....

seriously, is that a moral foundation for what is good ??

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67922 02-22-2012 11:28 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
FreedomStands Wrote:
The information within God, that God produced, is constantly changing, but God itself is infinite and does not spacially expand because an infinite encompasses all space, there is nothing outside of it.

so there is nothing to be concerned with then, as God has it all under-control....humans are meaningless and irrelevant

God, and God alone bears all the responsibility for 'everything'

God is evil, God is good

That is right, but that doesn't mean jumping to the conclusion that there is no way for us to at least attempt on the immediate level what seems to be an effort to gain benefit and avoid harm.

so we should defy God and challenge Gods domination over us then ??