Post: #241

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WORSHIP MY RELIGION...AND GET YOUR DIVINE REWARDS !



do the cult members honestly believe any divine god would respect a human who worships with the selfish mindset that they deserve divine rewards for their worship ?

A true divine God would respect humans who do good things, just because its the right thing to do, compared to cult members who worship a singular religion and expect the almighty to hand them free divine rewards for eternity.

Post: #242

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WORSHIP MY RELIGION...AND GET YOUR DIVINE REWARDS !



do the cult members honestly believe any divine god would respect a human who worships with the selfish mindset that they deserve divine rewards for their worship ?

A true divine God would respect humans who do good things, just because its the right thing to do, compared to cult members who worship a singular religion and expect the almighty to hand them free divine rewards for eternity.

Post: #243

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WORSHIP MY RELIGION...AND GET YOUR DIVINE REWARDS !



do the cult members honestly believe any divine god would respect a human who worships with the selfish mindset that they deserve divine rewards for their worship ?

A true divine God would respect humans who do good things, just because its the right thing to do, compared to cult members who worship a singular religion and expect the almighty to hand them free divine rewards for eternity.

Post: #244

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I do believe in helping others, I believe that is how one could potentially achieve a reward later.

What reward is possible?
In your thread you have said that you believe when we die it is the end and there is nothing for us beyond that point.

I'm pretty sure I said more than that, multiple times.

Even in the third link on the first post I talk about death, and in the fourth link I think I do too.

No, I don't think it is definitely the end. I don't think one experiences anything when they are dead, just like we didn't experience anything we know of before we were alive.

So there could be a huge span of time, but you wouldn't know it, until you wake up again.

Waking up again is the whole issue, and it is that possibility one has to prepare for by putting up a defense of good deeds if one is going to be called to account for their actions during life as the ancients have claimed.

Then how can one receive a reward?

Post: #245

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that is basically your personal credo isn't....

'first' above all else....

seriously, is that a moral foundation for what is good ??

to me "good" and "evil" just mean "harm" and "benefit".

For God, nothing can "harm" or "benefit" God.

For us, things can "harm" and "benefit" us.

All experiences are information, and this includes experiences of "harm" and experiences of "benefit".

All information is produced by God, sustained by God, and animated by what I call God.

My advice is to seek the benefit, and avoid the harm, even if you're being controlled ultimately, to try your best on the immediate level to seek the benefit and avoid the harm.

so John 3:16 basically means: "God so loved himself that he sent his only son to die in his place, as God is much more important than his meaningless children"


anyways -- i do got to go before she strangles me -- i leave the final word to you in this discussion, i will read it later....thanks

Uh? I think John 3:16 means God cared about the world, so sent Jesus to teach the way to achieve eternal paradise, rather than leave them in ignorance. Why the heck would God have to die for anything to happen?

Later it says:

John 3:19
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

It is talking about how Jesus taught the good news, and the way to paradise.

When it says to believe in Jesus, that doesn't mean worship Jesus, that means to believe in what Jesus teaches, to follow what Jesus says.

Jesus said to worship God, to follow the commandments of God, to do good, to fast, help people, be humble and avoid sin to the point of cutting off your own body parts because Gehenna is a terrible place.

Believing in Jesus is not treating Jesus a God, because Jesus prayed to God, and clearly distinguished himself by showing that he didn't know what God knows. Jesus told people to worship God, and Jesus did it himself.

Post: #246

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What reward is possible?
In your thread you have said that you believe when we die it is the end and there is nothing for us beyond that point.

I'm pretty sure I said more than that, multiple times.

Even in the third link on the first post I talk about death, and in the fourth link I think I do too.

No, I don't think it is definitely the end. I don't think one experiences anything when they are dead, just like we didn't experience anything we know of before we were alive.

So there could be a huge span of time, but you wouldn't know it, until you wake up again.

Waking up again is the whole issue, and it is that possibility one has to prepare for by putting up a defense of good deeds if one is going to be called to account for their actions during life as the ancients have claimed.

Then how can one receive a reward?

If you are woken up, made to live again, the time you've been dead will seem like just a short nap, just like a dreamless sleep. Then you'll be alive again to receive a reward or punishment for your conduct, if there is such a thing. If there is such a thing, then one should prepare at least, by putting forth good, rather than harm, so that one doesn't receive terrible results. Good is stuff like helping people, giving charity, making them happy, worship and appreciation of God for your own sake and to remind yourself of your position in life and all that.

Post: #247

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I'm pretty sure I said more than that, multiple times.

Even in the third link on the first post I talk about death, and in the fourth link I think I do too.

No, I don't think it is definitely the end. I don't think one experiences anything when they are dead, just like we didn't experience anything we know of before we were alive.

So there could be a huge span of time, but you wouldn't know it, until you wake up again.

Waking up again is the whole issue, and it is that possibility one has to prepare for by putting up a defense of good deeds if one is going to be called to account for their actions during life as the ancients have claimed.

Then how can one receive a reward?

If you are woken up, made to live again, the time you've been dead will seem like just a short nap, just like a dreamless sleep. Then you'll be alive again to receive a reward or punishment for your conduct, if there is such a thing. If there is such a thing, then one should prepare at least, by putting forth good, rather than harm, so that one doesn't receive terrible results. Good is stuff like helping people, giving charity, making them happy, worship and appreciation of God for your own sake and to remind yourself of your position in life and all that.

I am unsatisfied with your answer.
By what standards [and where do they come from] should we be rewarded or punished?

Post: #248

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that is basically your personal credo isn't....

'first' above all else....

seriously, is that a moral foundation for what is good ??

to me "good" and "evil" just mean "harm" and "benefit".

For God, nothing can "harm" or "benefit" God.

For us, things can "harm" and "benefit" us.

All experiences are information, and this includes experiences of "harm" and experiences of "benefit".

All information is produced by God, sustained by God, and animated by what I call God.

My advice is to seek the benefit, and avoid the harm, even if you're being controlled ultimately, to try your best on the immediate level to seek the benefit and avoid the harm.

If we are being controlled ultimately then everything ceases to have a point and meaning. Are you saying God and reality is pointless?

God doesn't need a "point" to do anything. It does whatever it wills. Reality also doesn't need a "point", but God can determine a "point" or more important we can determine a "point", the best of which is to try to achieve benefit rather than harm. That should always be the "point" for us.

Post: #249

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Then how can one receive a reward?

If you are woken up, made to live again, the time you've been dead will seem like just a short nap, just like a dreamless sleep. Then you'll be alive again to receive a reward or punishment for your conduct, if there is such a thing. If there is such a thing, then one should prepare at least, by putting forth good, rather than harm, so that one doesn't receive terrible results. Good is stuff like helping people, giving charity, making them happy, worship and appreciation of God for your own sake and to remind yourself of your position in life and all that.

I am unsatisfied with your answer.
By what standards [and where do they come from] should we be rewarded or punished?

The standards that God creates. How do we know which are from God or if any known are from God?

Well if none are known from God, it can't be helped.

Luckily, most cultures and religions across the whole world since ancient times generally agree on the same standards:

Mainly that Good is benefit to yourself and others especially, such as helping the poor and those in need, and bad is harming the innocent and yourself.

There are many other things the world agrees on, and it is what my thread is about.

Why don't you post to me as your username?

Post: #250

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You read it...

Evolution is a fact, it has been proved, but god is only an unfalsifiable hypothesis.

I'm sure you have already been CORRECTED! But in case you missed it................................



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution


Charles Darwin was the first to formulate a scientific argument for the theory of evolution by means of natural selection.



Did yah see that? Did yah, did yah?

And I'm sure that CANCER puts a wrinch into this theory!!!!!

What a JACKWAGON!

so i ask you -- did humans ascend from other life forms or did humans descend from other life forms ??

I don't know! I'm just pointing out your error in statement that Evalution is just a theory. I really have no clue how we got here.

For all anyone knows the Anunnaki created us! No one on Earth has the real truth.

Post: #251

You remember what I say, your deity is false, you believe in lies, I in truth.

A message to the religitards... You are the trash of this world, burden of our species.

Post: #252

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You remember what I say, your deity is false, you believe in lies, I in truth.

A message to the religitards... You are the trash of this world, burden of my species.

Post: #253

sorry this is so long. I believe that everyone comes from different paradigms and experiences, and that these color our beliefs...here is my own personal reason for why I believe in God's existence with my whole heart:


I was an atheist when this happened 7 years ago and now I'm a follower of the original teachings of the Qumranian Community, the sect that counted among its members John the Baptist, James the Just, The Virgin Mary, and of course Jesus.


ANYhoo-

This is what happened to me seven and a half years ago:

On August 12 or 13, 2004, I had been watching the Perseid meteor shower with my friends and children in a rural community on the outskirts of Houston, Texas. I was not drinking nor was I using any drugs. Things had slowed down after a few hours and everyone went into my home.

I walked back out into my front yard by myself. All the lights were still out from watching the meteor shower, and the only light was from the kitchen area of my house, which I could see behind the drapes. That's it... Other than that it was very dark outside.

Suddenly, these balls of light appeared (the "orbs" that so many people are photographing), they were the size of softballs and some were clear and some were opaque and many shades in between.

My first thought was that I had something on my glasses, some moisture that was causing a visual anomaly, and so I took my glasses off and began cleaning them with my shirt. As I did this, I noticed of course that I could still see the orbs and that it was not a smudge or something causing the effect.

My next thought was that I was having some sort of brain aneurysm... I mean, the balls of light were everywhere and were swirling around... I thought that it was a hallucination. But then I saw that the balls of light were literally illuminating an outbuilding that I was about 25' from. Imagine a thousand unseen children playing with flashlights... That is what it looked like as the lights shown on the walls of the building.

Okay, I know how this next part sounds. I know that it sounds crazy, and I have questioned my sanity many times since this, particularly with all that has followed. I may well be crazy, but I swear on my soul that I am telling the truth. I was a practicing attorney when this happened. I have given up the law, and given up most of what I owned (several homes, boats, other properties, etc.,) because this was the most important event of my life... And I want to understand it.

Suddenly, I knew that I was in the presence of god. I was an agnostic who was actually just a lazy atheist who did not feel like arguing with people about it. I knew that god was just an invention, and that everything could be explained scientifically.

In that moment, I knew absolutely that I was wrong. I knew that I was in the presence of god... And I felt so ashamed. I also felt this INTENSE love, something so strong and pure that it is difficult to describe, emanating from the presence... Pure love. Pure compassion. Pure adoration.

I began telling god that She/He (it seemed androgynous) had made a terrible mistake, that I was not worthy of this love that I was being showered with... I told god that I was a bad person and that I was maybe one of the worst people ever. I literally said "You must be lost. You have the wrong girl... You're at the wrong house..." and in hindsight, I cannot believe that I told god She/He was lost... But I think that She/He was a little amused by it, because there was a great tenderness and ultimate understanding and compassion in the voice that then said to me "I created you... I am you..."

Now that is an exact quote. I can relate the rest of what was said to me, but I cannot give an exact quote. I was told that I had come from the stars (or "out there") and that I would be "coming home" soon. I was also told that I had once been a part of all the love and lights that was surrounding me, and that I would be a part of it again.

Then something fell through the limbs of the oak tree behind me and I was startled (remember, I had been watching meteors earlier) and ran inside. When I realized that what I had heard was most likely an acorn I walked back outside but the lights were gone.

That was not the first supernatural event I have witnessed, but it was the first time that I could not just say "oh, that must have been my imagination"...and it was definitely the first in a long series of EXTREMELY bizarre events.

http://www.spiritual-experiences.com/rea...hp?story=6

Post: #254

I was told that this world is not my home.

I can't believe I --essentially--left that out of the account when I wrote it up back in 07.

Post: #255

Mark 7:6
....as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.


http://www.squidoo.com/snobama

"I'm rooted in the Christian tradition," said Obama, who has declared himself a Christian. But then he adds something that most Christians will see as universalism: "I believe there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people."

Falsani correctly brings up John 14:6 (and how many journalists would know such a verse, much less ask a question based on it?) in which Jesus says of Himself, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That sounds pretty exclusive, but Obama says it depends on how this verse is heard.


According to Falsani, Obama thinks that "all people of faith - Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone - know the same God."

If that is so, Jesus wasted his time coming to Earth and he certainly did not have to suffer the pain of rejection and crucifixion if there are ways to God other than through Himself.

Here's Obama telling Falsani, "The difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and proselytize. There's the belief, certainly in some quarters, that if people haven't embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior, they're going to hell." Falsani adds, "Obama doesn't believe he, or anyone else, will go to hell. But he's not sure he'll be going to heaven, either."














Titus 1:16
King James Version (KJV)

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Yeah buddy..I'm a Muslim....errrr....Christian!