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Markoff Chaney lop guest User ID: 92128 04-24-2012 05:06 AM
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Tunguska revisited.
The story has long fascinated me and I won't bore you by repeating the details as I'm sure you're all familiar with the event of June 1908.
But what was it?
There have been various theories as to the cause, from a comet exploding in the atmosphere to a meteor or asteroid impact to a Tesla weapon to a UFo. Perhaps we'll never know.
It is even hypothesized that Lake Cheko, situated 7 km )approx 4 miles) from the epicentre, was created by a fragment of whatever caused the massive explosion.
Lake Cheko (Russian: Чеко) is a small freshwater lake in Siberia, near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River, in what is now the Evenkiysky District of the Krasnoyarsk Krai. It is a small bowl shaped lake, 708 m long, 364 m wide and about 50 m deep.
Scientists have speculated that Lake Cheko was created during the Tunguska event, an explosion on 30 June 1908 that destroyed more than 2,000 km2 (800 sq mi) of Siberian taiga. It is suggested that the lake, which lies approximately 8 kilometres north-north-west of the event hypocenter, was formed by a fragment which struck the ground. [1] A 1961 investigation estimated the age of the lake to be at least 5000 years, based on meters-thick silt deposits on the lake bed;[2] newer research suggests that only a meter or so of the sediment layer on the lake bed is "normal lacustrine sedimentation", indicating a much younger lake of about 100 years.[3]
Acoustic-echo soundings of the lake floor provide further support for the hypothesis, revealing a conical shape for the lake bed, which is consistent with an impact crater. Also, the lake's long axis points to the epicenter of the Tunguska explosion, about 7.0 km away.[4] Magnetic readings also indicate a possible meter-sized chunk of rock below the lake's deepest point, which may be a fragment of the colliding body.[4] However, researchers at Imperial College London, point out that many of the trees surrounding the lake are older than 100 years, which suggests that the lake could not have been created by an impact in 1908.[5]
[/quote]Researchers from the University of Bologna investigated the lake bed in 2009.[6][7] Studies of sediments, isotopes and pollen, in their opinion, "suggest that Lake Cheko formed at the time of the Tunguska Event." Quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Cheko
But I suspect we'll never know the true cause of this major event, whereby newspapers could be read at midnight without the aid of artificial light as far away as London and where the shockwave is said to have circled the globe twice.
What we do know is that the explosion knocked over an estimated 80 million trees covering 2,150 square kilometres (830 sq mi) and is estimated that the shock wave from the blast would have measured 5.0 on the Richter scale.
A picture taken 13 years after the event
![[Image: 7226_4F961737.jpg]](http://imgupld.lunaticoutpost.com/graphic/images/2012/April/23/7226_4F961737.jpg)
Interestingly Sibir newspaper, July 2, 1908[18], described these witness accounts aof an event almost 2 weeks before the Tungunska event itself.
On the 17th of June, around 9 a.m. in the morning, we observed an unusual natural occurrence. In the north Karelinski village [200 verst, or about 130 miles, north of Kirensk] the peasants saw to the north west, rather high above the horizon, some strangely bright (impossible to look at) bluish-white heavenly body, which for 10 minutes moved downwards. The body appeared as a "pipe", i.e. a cylinder. The sky was cloudless, only a small dark cloud was observed in the general direction of the bright body. It was hot and dry. As the body neared the ground (forest), the bright body seemed to smudge, and then turned into a giant billow of black smoke, and a loud knocking (not thunder) was heard, as if large stones were falling, or artillery was fired. All buildings shook. At the same time the cloud began emitting flames of uncertain shapes. All villagers were stricken with panic and took to the streets, women cried, thinking it was the end of the world. The author of these lines was meantime in the forest about 6 verst (about four miles) north of Kirensk, and heard to the north east some kind of artillery barrage, that repeated in intervals of 15 minutes at least 10 times. In Kirensk in a few buildings in the walls facing north east window glass shook.
Here's a doco on the event to while away some time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXfvhJoNi90
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Kayaker Registered User User ID: 86377 04-24-2012 05:11 AM
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RE: Tunguska revisited.
I'm still up in the air.....HOWEVER, read up on Tesla 's situation and his dialog leading up to the event. There is much circumstantial evidence suggesting that it was caused by Tesla.
We will never know, but I too am fascinated by this event.
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Markoff Chaney lop guest User ID: 92128 04-24-2012 05:16 AM
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RE: Tunguska revisited.
Gandhi Wrote:I'm still up in the air.....HOWEVER, read up on Tesla 's situation and his dialog leading up to the event. There is much circumstantial evidence suggesting that it was caused by Tesla.
We will never know, but I too am fascinated by this event.
I have read of Tesla's situation and I don't discount the possibility. However, Tesla seemed all about helping humanity and I doubt if he would have performed a demonstration such as this, which had the capacity to harm people, but we will never know!
I too am up in the air.
Having said that, I am up in the air about all events I don't witness and even many that I have been witness to.
Here is a larger picture of the devastated forest.
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Ghenghy Bring me that Tar-Tar womern! User ID: 70755 04-24-2012 05:19 AM
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RE: Tunguska revisited.
Looks like a nuke to me. So does Sodom and Gomorrah.
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Markoff Chaney lop guest User ID: 92128 04-24-2012 05:20 AM
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Markoff Chaney lop guest User ID: 92128 04-24-2012 05:26 AM
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RE: Tunguska revisited.
Ghenghy Wrote:Looks like a nuke to me. So does Sodom and Gomorrah.
Well, there are those who say the say thing and many of Kurik's original 1927 expedition are forced to leave due to a mystery illness (radiation poisoning?), but that then begs the question how?
Mankind only developed nuclear capability in the mid 40s!!!
Having said that, there is also evidence of historical nuclear devastation in India thousands of years ago.
Does this then suggest a lost and regained capability and historians are either lying to us or are deluded?
In the case of Tunguska, I would say this is highly unlikely, but if a nuclear explosion, from whence did it originate if not humans?
Some argue an anti matter explosion, but that wouldn't account for the mysterious illness of the original guides, whereas radiation sickness would.
As for Sodom and Gomorrah, I suspect this is no more than religious propaganda to demonstrate the evils of buggery :)
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BJ lop guest User ID: 76073 04-24-2012 05:30 AM
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RE: Tunguska revisited.
I got interested in the Tunguska story after reading this:
The momentous event happened at 7.15 a.m. local time on the last day of June 1908. At that precise moment, an object brighter than the morning sun ripped through the atmosphere over Siberia. A trainload of passengers on the trans-Siberian railway stared in horror at the towering pillar of flame roared through the clear blue skies at a phenomenal velocity of around one mile per second. ...
Almost 350 miles to the north of the train, the nomadic hunting tribes of the Evenki people felt the ground shake violently as they witnessed what seemed to be a second sun racing across the heavens. ...
The detonation occurred at a height of five miles, and the 12-mega-ton explosion (it might have even been 30 mega-ton) destroyed everything within a radius of 20 miles. ... At the center of the explosion a monstrous mushroom cloud rose steadily over Siberia. ... The blast from the Tunguska explosion felled trees as if they were matchsticks for 20 miles around and set whole forests alight. The shockwave generated by the mysterious cataclysm traveled around the world twice and shook the recording pens of the microbarographs at three meteorological stations in London, where they were interpreted as seismic jolts from some distant earthquake.
At a distance of 400 miles from the epicenter of the Tunguska blast, the relentless shockwave showed no signs of abating, and knocked fishermen from their boats on the River Kan. By the time the blast had deteriorated into a hurricane-like storm, a strange black rain started to fall over the Tunguska valley. ...
More...
http://www.qsl.net/w5www/tunguska.html
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Markoff Chaney lop guest User ID: 92128 04-24-2012 05:45 AM
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RE: Tunguska revisited.
BJ Wrote:
http://www.qsl.net/w5www/tunguska.html
Great link, thanks.
I got interested when I first heard of it when I was about 8, back in the early 70s, but I was fascinated by everything strange, unusual and unexpected and have been fascinated by the same since.
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 86377 04-24-2012 05:51 AM
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RE: Tunguska revisited.
Tesla went broke around the same time as he completed Wardenclyffe Tower in 1904. He needed to raise money as he was being sued. This is supposedly when he went on to develop the military uses of his technology.....because he needed the money.
He was producing 100 million volts and 1000 amps which equals 100 BILLION WATTS. He could then resonate it at 2 MHz and in only one period of it's oscillation it would release....
100,000,000,000,000,000 Joules of energy,
which just so happens to equal the amount of energy released by 10 megatons of TNT.
Many believe that Tesla had a mental breakdown in 1906 and resulted in his uncharacteristic behavior.
Was this Telsa's last ditch effort to get noticed??
Also the sinking of the French ship "Iena" is very strange and some suspect Tesla.
Tesla letter to "The Times" - April 21st, 1908
"When I spoke of future warfare I meant that it should be conducted by direct application of electrical waves without the use of aerial engines or other implements of destruction... This is not a dream. Even now wireless power plants could be constructed by which any region of the globe might be rendered uninhabitable without subjecting the population of other parts to serious danger or inconvenience."
Nine days later....THE TUNGUSKA EVENT.
The strength...almost precisely what I typed above.
No impact crater found and no meteorite constituents found.[/align]
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Markoff Chaney lop guest User ID: 92128 04-24-2012 06:02 AM
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RE: Tunguska revisited.
LoP Guest Wrote:Tesla went broke around the same time as he completed Wardenclyffe Tower in 1904. He needed to raise money as he was being sued. This is supposedly when he went on to develop the military uses of his technology.....because he needed the money.
He was producing 100 million volts and 1000 amps which equals 100 BILLION WATTS. He could then resonate it at 2 MHz and in only one period of it's oscillation it would release....
100,000,000,000,000,000 Joules of energy,
which just so happens to equal the amount of energy released by 10 megatons of TNT.
Many believe that Tesla had a mental breakdown in 1906 and resulted in his uncharacteristic behavior.
Was this Telsa's last ditch effort to get noticed??
Also the sinking of the French ship "Iena" is very strange and some suspect Tesla.
Tesla letter to "The Times" - April 21st, 1908
"When I spoke of future warfare I meant that it should be conducted by direct application of electrical waves without the use of aerial engines or other implements of destruction... This is not a dream. Even now wireless power plants could be constructed by which any region of the globe might be rendered uninhabitable without subjecting the population of other parts to serious danger or inconvenience."
Nine days later....THE TUNGUSKA EVENT.
The strength...almost precisely what I typed above.
No impact crater found and no meteorite constituents found.[/align]
I suspect this is amongst the reasons why Tesla's name got thrown into the hat for this event. It was very, very possible that he did indeed posses the technology, however this does not explain the skin sores and sickness reported for hundreds of miles around Tunguska.
Perhaps this was no more than adding 2 and 2 and getting 5 or ...
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BJ lop guest User ID: 92230 04-24-2012 06:05 AM
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RE: Tunguska revisited.
Some random internet guy Wrote:BJ Wrote:http://www.qsl.net/w5www/tunguska.html
Great link, thanks.
I got interested when I first heard of it when I was about 8, back in the early 70s, but I was fascinated by everything strange, unusual and unexpected and have been fascinated by the same since.
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 86377 04-24-2012 06:06 AM
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RE: Tunguska revisited.
Some random internet guy Wrote:LoP Guest Wrote:Tesla went broke around the same time as he completed Wardenclyffe Tower in 1904. He needed to raise money as he was being sued. This is supposedly when he went on to develop the military uses of his technology.....because he needed the money.
He was producing 100 million volts and 1000 amps which equals 100 BILLION WATTS. He could then resonate it at 2 MHz and in only one period of it's oscillation it would release....
100,000,000,000,000,000 Joules of energy,
which just so happens to equal the amount of energy released by 10 megatons of TNT.
Many believe that Tesla had a mental breakdown in 1906 and resulted in his uncharacteristic behavior.
Was this Telsa's last ditch effort to get noticed??
Also the sinking of the French ship "Iena" is very strange and some suspect Tesla.
Tesla letter to "The Times" - April 21st, 1908
"When I spoke of future warfare I meant that it should be conducted by direct application of electrical waves without the use of aerial engines or other implements of destruction... This is not a dream. Even now wireless power plants could be constructed by which any region of the globe might be rendered uninhabitable without subjecting the population of other parts to serious danger or inconvenience."
Nine days later....THE TUNGUSKA EVENT.
The strength...almost precisely what I typed above.
No impact crater found and no meteorite constituents found.[/align]
I suspect this is amongst the reasons why Tesla's name got thrown into the hat for this event. It was very, very possible that he did indeed posses the technology, however this does not explain the skin sores and sickness reported for hundreds of miles around Tunguska.
Perhaps this was no more than adding 2 and 2 and getting 5 or ...
Perhaps....this is why it is such a fascinating event.
Circumstantial evidence supports Tesla causing it, but I don't propose to know the truth. It's certainly one of the strangest things I've ever researched.
Makes great reading. Tesla was an intriguing fella. I highly recommend his books. He was the true genius behind electricity....even in it's current iteration.
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Skippy It's a pickle... User ID: 92197 04-24-2012 06:07 AM
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RE: Tunguska revisited.
Some of the best scientists of the day thought it might have been a piece of antimatter entering our atmosphere. When I tried to discuss the topic here, a flood of trolls, shills, whatever bombarded me. That made me even more curious.
Google this: "antimatter comet". Do a Google Books search on it as well....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQFzLO--2R0 <== The Cause
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BJ lop guest User ID: 92230 04-24-2012 06:07 AM
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RE: Tunguska revisited.
Some random internet guy Wrote:BJ Wrote:http://www.qsl.net/w5www/tunguska.html
Great link, thanks.
I got interested when I first heard of it when I was about 8, back in the early 70s, but I was fascinated by everything strange, unusual and unexpected and have been fascinated by the same since.
You're welcome, SRG. It's good to share. Thanks for starting this thread!
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chookaKahn the chook whisperer User ID: 91311 04-24-2012 06:10 AM
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RE: Tunguska revisited.
LoP Guest Wrote:Tesla went broke around the same time as he completed Wardenclyffe Tower in 1904. He needed to raise money as he was being sued. This is supposedly when he went on to develop the military uses of his technology.....because he needed the money.
He was producing 100 million volts and 1000 amps which equals 100 BILLION WATTS. He could then resonate it at 2 MHz and in only one period of it's oscillation it would release....
100,000,000,000,000,000 Joules of energy,
which just so happens to equal the amount of energy released by 10 megatons of TNT.
Many believe that Tesla had a mental breakdown in 1906 and resulted in his uncharacteristic behavior.
Was this Telsa's last ditch effort to get noticed??
Also the sinking of the French ship "Iena" is very strange and some suspect Tesla.
Tesla letter to "The Times" - April 21st, 1908
"When I spoke of future warfare I meant that it should be conducted by direct application of electrical waves without the use of aerial engines or other implements of destruction... This is not a dream. Even now wireless power plants could be constructed by which any region of the globe might be rendered uninhabitable without subjecting the population of other parts to serious danger or inconvenience."
Nine days later....THE TUNGUSKA EVENT.
The strength...almost precisely what I typed above.
No impact crater found and no meteorite constituents found.[/align]
Perhaps. The Thomas Edison bunfight was rather nasty [& TE's tactics were dirty enough to send a good man mad].
I think it may've also had something to do do with the Young Turk Revolution.
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