Some of the best scientists of the day thought it might have been a piece of antimatter entering our atmosphere. When I tried to discuss the topic here, a flood of trolls, shills, whatever bombarded me. That made me even more curious.

Google this: "antimatter comet". Do a Google Books search on it as well....

Once I found out the truth I lost all respect for Edison. He was a capitalist, not a scientist.

Skippy  Wrote:

Some of the best scientists of the day thought it might have been a piece of antimatter entering our atmosphere. When I tried to discuss the topic here, a flood of trolls, shills, whatever bombarded me. That made me even more curious.

Google this: "antimatter comet". Do a Google Books search on it as well....

No offence Skip, but I suspect you are a troll magnet for many reasons, which I shan't enter into here.

I believe I mentioned anti matter as one of the theories. I did not see your post, perhaps you could link it here.

I discount nothing and have no firm stance on any one theory. I am open to listening to all theories, but at the end of the day, I will have my preference as to what the cause may have been, but as with everything in life, I remain a true open minded individual.

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Once I found out the truth I lost all respect for Edison. He was a capitalist, not a scientist.

Ah, grasshopper, but what is truth?

Yes, it appears that Edison was capital driven, but was he really? Who wrote the history books about Edison? Himself? And even if he did, would that be truth?

Truth is a very slippery subject. I certainly am not the possessor of truth!

This may be the most civil thread in the history of LOP.

The story has long fascinated me and I won't bore you by repeating the details as I'm sure you're all familiar with the event of June 1908.

But what was it?

There have been various theories as to the cause, from a comet exploding in the atmosphere to a meteor or asteroid impact to a Tesla weapon to a UFo. Perhaps we'll never know.

It is even hypothesized that Lake Cheko, situated 7 km )approx 4 miles) from the epicentre, was created by a fragment of whatever caused the massive explosion.

Lake Cheko (Russian: Чеко) is a small freshwater lake in Siberia, near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River, in what is now the Evenkiysky District of the Krasnoyarsk Krai. It is a small bowl shaped lake, 708 m long, 364 m wide and about 50 m deep.

Scientists have speculated that Lake Cheko was created during the Tunguska event, an explosion on 30 June 1908 that destroyed more than 2,000 km2 (800 sq mi) of Siberian taiga. It is suggested that the lake, which lies approximately 8 kilometres north-north-west of the event hypocenter, was formed by a fragment which struck the ground. [1] A 1961 investigation estimated the age of the lake to be at least 5000 years, based on meters-thick silt deposits on the lake bed;[2] newer research suggests that only a meter or so of the sediment layer on the lake bed is "normal lacustrine sedimentation", indicating a much younger lake of about 100 years.[3]

Acoustic-echo soundings of the lake floor provide further support for the hypothesis, revealing a conical shape for the lake bed, which is consistent with an impact crater. Also, the lake's long axis points to the epicenter of the Tunguska explosion, about 7.0 km away.[4] Magnetic readings also indicate a possible meter-sized chunk of rock below the lake's deepest point, which may be a fragment of the colliding body.[4] However, researchers at Imperial College London, point out that many of the trees surrounding the lake are older than 100 years, which suggests that the lake could not have been created by an impact in 1908.[5]

Quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Cheko

But I suspect we'll never know the true cause of this major event, whereby newspapers could be read at midnight without the aid of artificial light as far away as London and where the shockwave is said to have circled the globe twice.

What we do know is that the explosion knocked over an estimated 80 million trees covering 2,150 square kilometres (830 sq mi) and is estimated that the shock wave from the blast would have measured 5.0 on the Richter scale.

A picture taken 13 years after the event


Interestingly Sibir newspaper, July 2, 1908[18], described these witness accounts aof an event almost 2 weeks before the Tungunska event itself.

On the 17th of June, around 9 a.m. in the morning, we observed an unusual natural occurrence. In the north Karelinski village [200 verst, or about 130 miles, north of Kirensk] the peasants saw to the north west, rather high above the horizon, some strangely bright (impossible to look at) bluish-white heavenly body, which for 10 minutes moved downwards. The body appeared as a "pipe", i.e. a cylinder. The sky was cloudless, only a small dark cloud was observed in the general direction of the bright body. It was hot and dry. As the body neared the ground (forest), the bright body seemed to smudge, and then turned into a giant billow of black smoke, and a loud knocking (not thunder) was heard, as if large stones were falling, or artillery was fired. All buildings shook. At the same time the cloud began emitting flames of uncertain shapes. All villagers were stricken with panic and took to the streets, women cried, thinking it was the end of the world. The author of these lines was meantime in the forest about 6 verst (about four miles) north of Kirensk, and heard to the north east some kind of artillery barrage, that repeated in intervals of 15 minutes at least 10 times. In Kirensk in a few buildings in the walls facing north east window glass shook.



Here's a doco on the event to while away some time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXfvhJoNi90

Some random internet guy  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Once I found out the truth I lost all respect for Edison. He was a capitalist, not a scientist.

Ah, grasshopper, but what is truth?

Yes, it appears that Edison was capital driven, but was he really? Who wrote the history books about Edison? Himself? And even if he did, would that be truth?

Truth is a very slippery subject. I certainly am not the possessor of truth!

What I THINK is the truth is that he would have been put out of business by Tesla with his far more efficient AC system. Edison relied on huge inefficient powerplants and DC. He would have been crushed by Tesla......but Edison was the better businessman.

Lets not derail the thread.

What do you think caused the burns?

Would a Tesla event have caused this? I don't think even the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima had such far-reaching affects!

<snips>
The first reports of a strange glow in the sky came from across Europe. Shortly after midnight on 1 July 1908, Londoners were intrigued to see a pink phosphorescent night sky over the capital. People who had retired awoke confused as the strange pink glow shone into their bedrooms. The same ruddy luminescence was reported over Belgium. The skies over Germany were curiously said to be bright green, while the heavens over Scotland were of an incredible intense whiteness which tricked the wildlife into believing it was dawn. Birdsong started and cocks crowed - at two o'clock in the morning. ...

A captain on a ship on the River Volga said he could see vessels on the river two miles away by the uncanny astral light. One golf game in England almost went on until four in the morning under the nocturnal glow...

http://www.qsl.net/w5www/tunguska.html

Some random internet guy  Wrote:

The story has long fascinated me and I won't bore you by repeating the details as I'm sure you're all familiar with the event of June 1908.

But what was it?

There have been various theories as to the cause, from a comet exploding in the atmosphere to a meteor or asteroid impact to a Tesla weapon to a UFo. Perhaps we'll never know.

It is even hypothesized that Lake Cheko, situated 7 km )approx 4 miles) from the epicentre, was created by a fragment of whatever caused the massive explosion.

Lake Cheko (Russian: Чеко) is a small freshwater lake in Siberia, near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River, in what is now the Evenkiysky District of the Krasnoyarsk Krai. It is a small bowl shaped lake, 708 m long, 364 m wide and about 50 m deep.

Scientists have speculated that Lake Cheko was created during the Tunguska event, an explosion on 30 June 1908 that destroyed more than 2,000 km2 (800 sq mi) of Siberian taiga. It is suggested that the lake, which lies approximately 8 kilometres north-north-west of the event hypocenter, was formed by a fragment which struck the ground. [1] A 1961 investigation estimated the age of the lake to be at least 5000 years, based on meters-thick silt deposits on the lake bed;[2] newer research suggests that only a meter or so of the sediment layer on the lake bed is "normal lacustrine sedimentation", indicating a much younger lake of about 100 years.[3]

Acoustic-echo soundings of the lake floor provide further support for the hypothesis, revealing a conical shape for the lake bed, which is consistent with an impact crater. Also, the lake's long axis points to the epicenter of the Tunguska explosion, about 7.0 km away.[4] Magnetic readings also indicate a possible meter-sized chunk of rock below the lake's deepest point, which may be a fragment of the colliding body.[4] However, researchers at Imperial College London, point out that many of the trees surrounding the lake are older than 100 years, which suggests that the lake could not have been created by an impact in 1908.[5]

Researchers from the University of Bologna investigated the lake bed in 2009.[6][7] Studies of sediments, isotopes and pollen, in their opinion, "suggest that Lake Cheko formed at the time of the Tunguska Event."

Quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Cheko

But I suspect we'll never know the true cause of this major event, whereby newspapers could be read at midnight without the aid of artificial light as far away as London and where the shockwave is said to have circled the globe twice.

What we do know is that the explosion knocked over an estimated 80 million trees covering 2,150 square kilometres (830 sq mi) and is estimated that the shock wave from the blast would have measured 5.0 on the Richter scale.

A picture taken 13 years after the event


Interestingly Sibir newspaper, July 2, 1908[18], described these witness accounts aof an event almost 2 weeks before the Tungunska event itself.

On the 17th of June, around 9 a.m. in the morning, we observed an unusual natural occurrence. In the north Karelinski village [200 verst, or about 130 miles, north of Kirensk] the peasants saw to the north west, rather high above the horizon, some strangely bright (impossible to look at) bluish-white heavenly body, which for 10 minutes moved downwards. The body appeared as a "pipe", i.e. a cylinder. The sky was cloudless, only a small dark cloud was observed in the general direction of the bright body. It was hot and dry. As the body neared the ground (forest), the bright body seemed to smudge, and then turned into a giant billow of black smoke, and a loud knocking (not thunder) was heard, as if large stones were falling, or artillery was fired. All buildings shook. At the same time the cloud began emitting flames of uncertain shapes. All villagers were stricken with panic and took to the streets, women cried, thinking it was the end of the world. The author of these lines was meantime in the forest about 6 verst (about four miles) north of Kirensk, and heard to the north east some kind of artillery barrage, that repeated in intervals of 15 minutes at least 10 times. In Kirensk in a few buildings in the walls facing north east window glass shook.



Here's a doco on the event to while away some time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXfvhJoNi90

Some random internet guy  Wrote:

The story has long fascinated me and I won't bore you by repeating the details as I'm sure you're all familiar with the event of June 1908.

But what was it?

There have been various theories as to the cause, from a comet exploding in the atmosphere to a meteor or asteroid impact to a Tesla weapon to a UFo. Perhaps we'll never know.

It is even hypothesized that Lake Cheko, situated 7 km )approx 4 miles) from the epicentre, was created by a fragment of whatever caused the massive explosion.

Lake Cheko (Russian: Чеко) is a small freshwater lake in Siberia, near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River, in what is now the Evenkiysky District of the Krasnoyarsk Krai. It is a small bowl shaped lake, 708 m long, 364 m wide and about 50 m deep.

Scientists have speculated that Lake Cheko was created during the Tunguska event, an explosion on 30 June 1908 that destroyed more than 2,000 km2 (800 sq mi) of Siberian taiga. It is suggested that the lake, which lies approximately 8 kilometres north-north-west of the event hypocenter, was formed by a fragment which struck the ground. [1] A 1961 investigation estimated the age of the lake to be at least 5000 years, based on meters-thick silt deposits on the lake bed;[2] newer research suggests that only a meter or so of the sediment layer on the lake bed is "normal lacustrine sedimentation", indicating a much younger lake of about 100 years.[3]

Acoustic-echo soundings of the lake floor provide further support for the hypothesis, revealing a conical shape for the lake bed, which is consistent with an impact crater. Also, the lake's long axis points to the epicenter of the Tunguska explosion, about 7.0 km away.[4] Magnetic readings also indicate a possible meter-sized chunk of rock below the lake's deepest point, which may be a fragment of the colliding body.[4] However, researchers at Imperial College London, point out that many of the trees surrounding the lake are older than 100 years, which suggests that the lake could not have been created by an impact in 1908.[5]

Researchers from the University of Bologna investigated the lake bed in 2009.[6][7] Studies of sediments, isotopes and pollen, in their opinion, "suggest that Lake Cheko formed at the time of the Tunguska Event."

Quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Cheko

But I suspect we'll never know the true cause of this major event, whereby newspapers could be read at midnight without the aid of artificial light as far away as London and where the shockwave is said to have circled the globe twice.

What we do know is that the explosion knocked over an estimated 80 million trees covering 2,150 square kilometres (830 sq mi) and is estimated that the shock wave from the blast would have measured 5.0 on the Richter scale.

A picture taken 13 years after the event


Interestingly Sibir newspaper, July 2, 1908[18], described these witness accounts aof an event almost 2 weeks before the Tungunska event itself.

On the 17th of June, around 9 a.m. in the morning, we observed an unusual natural occurrence. In the north Karelinski village [200 verst, or about 130 miles, north of Kirensk] the peasants saw to the north west, rather high above the horizon, some strangely bright (impossible to look at) bluish-white heavenly body, which for 10 minutes moved downwards. The body appeared as a "pipe", i.e. a cylinder. The sky was cloudless, only a small dark cloud was observed in the general direction of the bright body. It was hot and dry. As the body neared the ground (forest), the bright body seemed to smudge, and then turned into a giant billow of black smoke, and a loud knocking (not thunder) was heard, as if large stones were falling, or artillery was fired. All buildings shook. At the same time the cloud began emitting flames of uncertain shapes. All villagers were stricken with panic and took to the streets, women cried, thinking it was the end of the world. The author of these lines was meantime in the forest about 6 verst (about four miles) north of Kirensk, and heard to the north east some kind of artillery barrage, that repeated in intervals of 15 minutes at least 10 times. In Kirensk in a few buildings in the walls facing north east window glass shook.



Here's a doco on the event to while away some time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXfvhJoNi90

What the f*ck? Stick to making babies.