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Some random internet guy  Wrote:

Ah, grasshopper, but what is truth?

Yes, it appears that Edison was capital driven, but was he really? Who wrote the history books about Edison? Himself? And even if he did, would that be truth?

Truth is a very slippery subject. I certainly am not the possessor of truth!

What I THINK is the truth is that he would have been put out of business by Tesla with his far more efficient AC system. Edison relied on huge inefficient powerplants and DC. He would have been crushed by Tesla......but Edison was the better businessman.

Lets not derail the thread.

What do you think caused the burns?

The only thing that springs to mind as a cause for the burns would be radiation, but that then begs other questions, which I simply cannot answer, or only merely speculate as to how that could occur and one man's speculation is no better than another's.

Could you think of another or other causes?

Skippy  Wrote:

What the f*ck? Stick to making babies.

You are a f*cking moran. You should do some research on volcanoes.

birdie  Wrote:

Some random internet guy  Wrote:

The story has long fascinated me and I won't bore you by repeating the details as I'm sure you're all familiar with the event of June 1908.

But what was it?

There have been various theories as to the cause, from a comet exploding in the atmosphere to a meteor or asteroid impact to a Tesla weapon to a UFo. Perhaps we'll never know.

It is even hypothesized that Lake Cheko, situated 7 km )approx 4 miles) from the epicentre, was created by a fragment of whatever caused the massive explosion.

Lake Cheko (Russian: Чеко) is a small freshwater lake in Siberia, near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River, in what is now the Evenkiysky District of the Krasnoyarsk Krai. It is a small bowl shaped lake, 708 m long, 364 m wide and about 50 m deep.

Scientists have speculated that Lake Cheko was created during the Tunguska event, an explosion on 30 June 1908 that destroyed more than 2,000 km2 (800 sq mi) of Siberian taiga. It is suggested that the lake, which lies approximately 8 kilometres north-north-west of the event hypocenter, was formed by a fragment which struck the ground. [1] A 1961 investigation estimated the age of the lake to be at least 5000 years, based on meters-thick silt deposits on the lake bed;[2] newer research suggests that only a meter or so of the sediment layer on the lake bed is "normal lacustrine sedimentation", indicating a much younger lake of about 100 years.[3]

Acoustic-echo soundings of the lake floor provide further support for the hypothesis, revealing a conical shape for the lake bed, which is consistent with an impact crater. Also, the lake's long axis points to the epicenter of the Tunguska explosion, about 7.0 km away.[4] Magnetic readings also indicate a possible meter-sized chunk of rock below the lake's deepest point, which may be a fragment of the colliding body.[4] However, researchers at Imperial College London, point out that many of the trees surrounding the lake are older than 100 years, which suggests that the lake could not have been created by an impact in 1908.[5]

Researchers from the University of Bologna investigated the lake bed in 2009.[6][7] Studies of sediments, isotopes and pollen, in their opinion, "suggest that Lake Cheko formed at the time of the Tunguska Event."

Quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Cheko

But I suspect we'll never know the true cause of this major event, whereby newspapers could be read at midnight without the aid of artificial light as far away as London and where the shockwave is said to have circled the globe twice.

What we do know is that the explosion knocked over an estimated 80 million trees covering 2,150 square kilometres (830 sq mi) and is estimated that the shock wave from the blast would have measured 5.0 on the Richter scale.

A picture taken 13 years after the event


Interestingly Sibir newspaper, July 2, 1908[18], described these witness accounts aof an event almost 2 weeks before the Tungunska event itself.

On the 17th of June, around 9 a.m. in the morning, we observed an unusual natural occurrence. In the north Karelinski village [200 verst, or about 130 miles, north of Kirensk] the peasants saw to the north west, rather high above the horizon, some strangely bright (impossible to look at) bluish-white heavenly body, which for 10 minutes moved downwards. The body appeared as a "pipe", i.e. a cylinder. The sky was cloudless, only a small dark cloud was observed in the general direction of the bright body. It was hot and dry. As the body neared the ground (forest), the bright body seemed to smudge, and then turned into a giant billow of black smoke, and a loud knocking (not thunder) was heard, as if large stones were falling, or artillery was fired. All buildings shook. At the same time the cloud began emitting flames of uncertain shapes. All villagers were stricken with panic and took to the streets, women cried, thinking it was the end of the world. The author of these lines was meantime in the forest about 6 verst (about four miles) north of Kirensk, and heard to the north east some kind of artillery barrage, that repeated in intervals of 15 minutes at least 10 times. In Kirensk in a few buildings in the walls facing north east window glass shook.



Here's a doco on the event to while away some time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXfvhJoNi90

I don't believe for a minute that it was formed by an incoming exploding meteor.

You know what I think it was?

I think it was a volcanic explosion.

People locally reported seeing a fireball and a bright light.

Volcanoes also have the power to blow down trees (Mt. St. Helens, anyone?) and to create lakes.

That's what I think it was.

Skippy  Wrote:

What the f*ck? Stick to making babies.

You are a f*cking moran. You should do some research on volcanoes.

birdie  Wrote:

Skippy  Wrote:

What the f*ck? Stick to making babies.

You are a f*cking moran. You should do some research on volcanoes.

The one thing I know about volcanoes is that they don't disappear in a 100 year timeframe. If the Tunguska event was created by a volcanic eruption... there would be a volcano there in the center of it....

Skippy  Wrote:

What the f*ck? Stick to making babies.

You are a f*cking moran. You should do some research on volcanoes.

map

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...nguska.png

birdie  Wrote:

Skippy  Wrote:

What the f*ck? Stick to making babies.

You are a f*cking moran. You should do some research on volcanoes.

Um...we have an epicenter. No volcano. Good theory though based on limited interpretation of evidence but not quite complete. Plus there's an absence of geological effects associated with volcanoes, shakes and stuff.

birdie  Wrote:

Skippy  Wrote:

What the f*ck? Stick to making babies.

You are a f*cking moran. You should do some research on volcanoes.

Hi Birdie, I make the same request that I made of Skippy, could you please keep it civil?

We do not need to give like for like, no matter how strongly our buttons are pushed!

birdie  Wrote:

map

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...nguska.png

What is that showing??? If there was a volcanic crater in the center of Tunguska, it wouldn't be a mystery. There is no evidence whatsoever that it was volcanic in nature.

Some random internet guy  Wrote:

birdie  Wrote:

You are a f*cking moran. You should do some research on volcanoes.

Hi Birdie, I make the same request that I made of Skippy, could you please keep it civil?

We do not need to give like for like, no matter how strongly our buttons are pushed!

She is making no valid argument whatsoever. If she did some research and had some backing sources I would concede.... but give me a break.

encephaloid  Wrote:

birdie  Wrote:

You are a f*cking moran. You should do some research on volcanoes.

Um...we have an epicenter. No volcano. Good theory though based on limited interpretation of evidence but not quite complete. Plus there's an absence of geological effects associated with volcanoes, shakes and stuff.

Did you read the peasants description upthread?

There were tremors every 15 minutes.

And there was a HUGE cloud of smoke adrift in the sky.

Sounds just like a volcanic eruption.

encephaloid  Wrote:

birdie  Wrote:

You are a f*cking moran. You should do some research on volcanoes.

Um...we have an epicenter. No volcano. Good theory though based on limited interpretation of evidence but not quite complete. Plus there's an absence of geological effects associated with volcanoes, shakes and stuff.

Did you read the peasants description upthread?

There were tremors every 15 minutes.

And there was a HUGE cloud of smoke adrift in the sky.

Sounds just like a volcanic eruption.