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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 103800 06-22-2012 07:00 PM

haskins Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
haskins Wrote:
wouldn't call that best trained by a far shot
any aircrew in us military goes through same deal...special forces...much , much more
if thats the hardest part of your special forces training...its not much
no disrespect..just stating fact's

Well, that's a typical response from an American.

ok..how bout proof and fact's asshat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival,_E...and_Escape

You're providing a wikipedia link as proof? Oh Lordy! Well, I'll give you this much, you people are pretty good at escaping. Saigon 1975. Pretty good show. Jptdknpa

**Blitzkreig**

Seeing reports of Turkish Naval forces massing in Syrian waters..... Popcorn

**skeptic**

Blitzkreig Wrote:

Seeing reports of Turkish Naval forces massing in Syrian waters.....

Link a-doo?

**King_David** · (This post was last modified: 06-22-2012 07:29 PM by King_David.)

The Syrian Air Force has between:
Maybe some MIG 31's???

30-80 MIG 29 Fulcrums LIMITED air to air combat vs. modern NATO Warplanes, rumored Israeli Defense Force F-15C's shot down Two Syrian Mig 29's over Lebanon Sept. 14th 2001.
( Should be more than a match for an F-16C/D )
11-25 MIG 42 Foxbats A Good Match for an F-16 in the Hands of the right pilot.
106-146 MIG 23 Floggers Out dated reserve aircraft/ easily shot down.

20 SU-23 Fencer Ground Attack
50-60 SU-22 Fitter Ground Attack

**Blitzkreig**

skeptic Wrote:

Blitzkreig Wrote:
Seeing reports of Turkish Naval forces massing in Syrian waters.....

Link a-doo?

https://twitter.com/#!/Salman_Shaikh1

https://twitter.com/#!/jenanmoussa

**skeptic**

Blitzkreig Wrote:

skeptic Wrote:
Blitzkreig Wrote:
Seeing reports of Turkish Naval forces massing in Syrian waters.....

Link a-doo?

https://twitter.com/#!/Salman_Shaikh1

https://twitter.com/#!/jenanmoussa

so far so good.....interesting.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 103834 06-22-2012 07:30 PM

Could be the spark for the powderkeg. Watch closely.

**BloodRed**

Mr.Clean Wrote:

There still seems to be mass confusion.
(It is unknow which of the following actually happened)

1) one report, 2 f-16's (turkish) shot down in syria

2) one F-16 shot down, the other escapes

3) 3 f-16 entered syria and 2 shot down

4) 1 f-4 entered and was shot down and 2 men captured by syria.

Clearly, the big issue wil be exactly where the plane(s) were when they were shot down.

If over sea/turkey, NATO must respond.

If over syria.....depends....

~ On that we agree Mr. Clean. The 'fog' has rolled in...

**skeptic** · (This post was last modified: 06-22-2012 07:40 PM by skeptic.)

BloodRed Wrote:

Mr.Clean Wrote:
There still seems to be mass confusion.
(It is unknow which of the following actually happened)

1) one report, 2 f-16's (turkish) shot down in syria

2) one F-16 shot down, the other escapes

3) 3 f-16 entered syria and 2 shot down

4) 1 f-4 entered and was shot down and 2 men captured by syria.

Clearly, the big issue wil be exactly where the plane(s) were when they were shot down.

If over sea/turkey, NATO must respond.

If over syria.....depends....

~ On that we agree Mr. Clean. The 'fog' has rolled in...

I'll bet the only confusion is WHO shot it down. My bets are on Russia, and, further, I'll bet Turkey and NATO know it.

**Red Auroras**

Been monitoring Al Jizz since 12:30 CDT. No mention, nothing on the ticker. However, they mentioned today was the largest US/RoK live-fire exercise specifically aimed at defense from a NK attack.

**King_David**

King_David Wrote:

The Syrian Air Force has between:
Maybe some MIG 31's???

30-80 MIG 29 Fulcrums LIMITED air to air combat vs. modern NATO Warplanes, rumored Israeli Defense Force F-15C's shot down Two Syrian Mig 29's over Lebanon Sept. 14th 2001.
( Should be more than a match for an F-16C/D )
11-25 MIG 42 Foxbats A Good Match for an F-16 in the Hands of the right pilot.
106-146 MIG 23 Floggers Out dated reserve aircraft/ easily shot down.

20 SU-23 Fencer Ground Attack
50-60 SU-22 Fitter Ground Attack

The main thing about the Mig 25/29's is they are old, and even Russia can't afford to keep them in service. Pilots need to train in the aircraft that they are going to take into combat

Even the Mig 25's, as old as they are, in the hands of the right pilot can match up very well with F-16's( The Mig 25 is really a better Aircraft ), but are Syria's aircraft in working order?

Do Syria pilot's get to train like NATO pilots do, or does maintenance keep Syrian panes on the ground.

Only Syria and Russia/China really know what Syria really has they could have MIG-31's and SU-27's, but secrets that big are hard to keep, so if they have them, I doubt they have enough of them to make any difference.

**skeptic**

Red Auroras Wrote:

Been monitoring Al Jizz since 12:30 CDT. No mention, nothing on the ticker. However, they mentioned today was the largest US/RoK live-fire exercise specifically aimed at defense from a NK attack.

Yeah, but Al-Jizzeerah is a tool of Saudi Intelligence and can't be trusted. The NATO states don't want this to get "out there." If it does go mainstream, they'll either have to back up their words with action or tuck tail and run....

**King_David**

skeptic Wrote:

Red Auroras Wrote:
Been monitoring Al Jizz since 12:30 CDT. No mention, nothing on the ticker. However, they mentioned today was the largest US/RoK live-fire exercise specifically aimed at defense from a NK attack.

Yeah, but Al-Jizzeerah is a tool of Saudi Intelligence and can't be trusted. The NATO states don't want this to get "out there." If it does go mainstream, they'll either have to back up their words with action or tuck tail and run....

Now wait a sec, first every conspiracy nut says the NWO wants War. Now your saying they "Don't want it to get out"?

They're just letting it stew, see if it takes hold on it's own over the weekend.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 101624 06-22-2012 07:53 PM

NATO gets no reason for war from this. turks invaded syria, not the other way around.

**King_David**

Turkish PM cannot confirm whether F-4 military jet shot down by Syria

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday he could not confirm whether Syria had admitted to shooting down a Turkish warplane in the Mediterranean.

While reports circulated that Syria had apologized for the incident, claiming it was a mistake, Erogan told a press conference in Ankara that he had no firm information on the apology.

He also said he could not confirm whether the plane had been shot down or crashed.

Earlier, the Turkish army said it lost radar and radio contact with one of its aircrafts on the Mediterranean near neighboring Syria, and a television station said it had crashed in Syrian territorial waters.

The conflicting, or perhaps extra cautious, statements from the Turkish PM came after Erdogan was reportedly quoted by Haberturk daily newspaper earlier on Friday as saying: "Syria immediately offered a very serious apology for the incident and admitted it was a mistake."

He had also been quoted by the paper as saying the two pilots of the Turkish F-4 fighter jet were alive after the incident.

“At this moment the air force and navy are conducting search and rescue operations in the western Mediterranean and luckily our pilots are alive, we have just lost a plane,” he told journalists while travelling back from Brazil.

But in Ankara, Erdogan told reporters there is no news on the pilots and Turkish ships and helicopters were searching for the missing pilots together with Syrian ships.

He also said he has no information on claims Turkish jet pilots have been captured by Syria.

Meanwhile, Lebanon’s Hezbollah-owned Al-Manar television station said that Syrian air defenses shot down the Turkish military aircraft, quoting Syrian security sources.

“Syrian security sources confirmed to a Manar correspondent in Damascus that Syrian defense forces shot down the Turkish fighter jet,” the Hezbollah-owned channel said.

Turkey, which had drawn close to Syria before the uprising against Assad, became one of the Syrian leader’s fiercest critics when he responded violently to pro-democracy protests inspired by popular upheavals elsewhere in the Arab world.

Ankara has previously floated the possibility of setting up some kind of safe haven or humanitarian corridor inside Syria, which would entail military intervention, but has said it would undertake no such action without U.N. Security Council approval.

Turkey said it had lost contact with one of its military aircraft off its southeastern coast, and a television station said it had crashed in Syrian territorial waters.

The plane took off from Malatya airbase in the southeast at 0730 GMT and lost communication with the base at 0858 GMT in the southwest of the Hatay province bordering Syria, the military command said in a statement posted online.

“Search and rescue efforts have started immediately,” it said.