Post: #61

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Does this include ADHD and ADD because they qualify as learning disabilities and schools receive government funding for students diagnosed with these "disorders".

One more thought,..

Many children diagnosed with ADHD and ADD, Asbergers, bi-polar, etc., are extremely bright and gifted.

I think thats a damn good question! I think it means any child with any spec needs diagnosis, for now.

Post: #62

SilentE  Wrote:

Why would you only look at Parentalrights.org?


This was ratified in 95... We do not adhere to the treaty. However other countries that do... maybe should. I know the fact that your children are not your property to do with as you wish is a big damn deal to many. Children having rights... big deal. Government being allowed to step in and override parents decisions big deal. However in the US our courts work a tad bit better than others and they're still shit.

Read the Treaty. No seriously read it. There are a lot of reasons that this could be a good thing for some countries, the ones that sell their children, abuse their children, kill their children, force their children into labor over education. I think it was a good effort but it did nothing in the long run.

Yes I followed this issue, I did homeschool my kids for awhile and I do believe that I should have full rights over my children but then again I don't have anything to hide and I don't follow the Pearls logic of training up children. So they're pretty safe.


•the right to life, survival and development
•the right to have their views respected, and to have their best interests considered at all times
•the right to a name and nationality, freedom of expression, and access to information concerning them
•the right to live in a family environment or alternative care, and to have contact with both parents wherever possible
•health and welfare rights, including rights for disabled children, the right to health and health care, and social security
•the right to education, leisure, culture and the arts
•special protection for refugee children, children in the juvenile justice system, children deprived of their liberty and children suffering economic, sexual or other forms of exploitation


Children only need rights because adults fail them.

Excuse me but you have no idea what case workers and what
Drs can do when they are not careful and dont assess the situation correctly.

Remember they are only people . working - and they DO NOT know your child as well as you do.
We are not talking about people who abuse their kdis- we are talking about parents who want the best for their kids - who are denied services
or put in other placements because of lack of funding

or because some govt auth sits behind a desks and says - YOUR CHILD DOESNT NEED this therapy - ( cause we dont wanna pay for it )
when that is the best option and placement.

I have guardianship for my son - to protect him from the idiots who think they know him better then I DO
When your child cant speak - you have to speak up for them
and rest assured - they have taken away plenty from him - they have cut services becaus they say he doenst need them ,,

REALLY????? I SAY HE DOES - that is why parents go to fair hearings to advocate for their children the best possible placements
or to try and get more hours or whatever they need- mostly the system doenst know wtf they are talkinga bout

I had a DR try and put my child in an institution - if I would have allowed that - he would probbaly still be there today - medicated and in a corner some where . and the director of MHMR told me so

I had the DR who was on STAFF FIRED for his misbehavior- mis diagnosis- and for over medicating my son - because he was an arrogant asshole
now my son is FINE _ but if he had anything to do with it- he would have gone before a judge and locked him away,,,even the nurse on staff who busted his little scheme told me that if they did that I would not even be allowed to see him fo 6 months..
that they had the authority to do that!
I had NO idea they could do that - I got news for you

he is NOT THEIR PROPERTY EITHER! he is entitled to be at home
where he is safe - and where I know he is thriving and not being
medicated and shoved in a corner somewhere!

Post: #63

Must suck for some, having come here a few generations back and participated in the genocide of the original Americans. Now they and their children have both been poisoned to the point of the child's disability.

Now they find themselves and theirs on the critical stages of genocide. Labeled, given over to others, the parents become the bad guy, and continue to feed the evil machine of self destruction known as systematic annihilation; levels; house of cards, one falling after another.
http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/8s...ocide.html

Oh but to see the beast in all her glory, to truly see the cycles, a gift from GOD some may never have, the ability to simply stand aside as the beast passes by, and have no part of her, to turn your back and look to greener pastures for all.

Post: #64

ALL PARENTAL AUTHORITY SHOULD BE VOIDED, ALONG WITH ALL SCHOOL AUTHORITY AND ALL STATE AUTHORITY. YOU SHOULD BE COMPLETELEY FREE REGARDLESS OF AGE

Post: #65

The Evil AC  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Of course, we wouldn't have so many special needs children if the dang pregnant moms would quit doing legal an illegal drugs, drinking, and smoking.

f*ck off. You lack knowledge, Maggot.

Hardly - that's why I wrote what I wrote. Sorry if you can't stand to read the truth. Now, I didn't say that all of the special needs children are products of drug abuse, but a large percentage are. About half the SPED children at our school fall into this category. It burns me up to see parents who have broken their children, and the school staff spends so much love, time, and money to remediate their learning difficulties. These difficulties typically fall into the categories of extreme phonemic awareness deficits, sometimes short/long-term memory processing deficits, and is often accompanied by ADHD - hyperactivity category.

In response to another poster, ADHD, ADD, autism and other physical disabilities and disorders are not immediately considered special education at the school level. The parameters for consideration include whether the physical disability affects the student's ability to acquire an adequate education in the regular education setting at a normal rate. There also cannot be other exclusionary factors. A student might have ADHD or a hearing problem, for example, but if there has not been an attempt to ratify the effects of the condition, then the child would be excluded even though his education is affected until such a time as the condition has been addressed.

Autism is another case altogether. When a child has moderate to severe autism, I personally believe it to be caused by environmental factors - vaccinations, food chemicals/wheat, etc. However, when it comes to Asperger's, you will normally see at least one parent which is very annul, particular about things, and detail oriented (they also tend to be very involved with their children), and are also lacking in social convention knowledge. Because of this, I personally believe that Asperger's is genetic, and one study did show that children of couples who each work in the math/science fields are much more likely to bear an Asperger's child than the general population. It's like the parents are carriers and present with some of the symptoms but the child has the condition.

I would never agree with requiring parents to give up their authority over their own children. However, in reality, any parent can lose a child very easily these days. The state of Georgia, for instance, has initiated new reporting procedures. ANY child volunteer (PTO, parent Little League Coach, room mom, Winter Party helpers, etc.) now have to report any injury or abuse as stated by a student. So in other words, when Mrs. James comes to the Field Day and accidentally bumps a student as she walks by a group of kids sitting on the ground and one student says to another that Mrs. James kicked her (you know how dramatic children can be) and Ms. Powers hears this, she is legally bound to report this even though she does not believe this to be true. So look out, people, as you are going to see all sorts of faces of innocent people on the 10 o'clock news for child abuse. All it takes is one student who is mad about a grade and the teacher is investigated. It's no wonder teachers are dropping out right and left. But, you parents aren't off the hook, either, because if Johnny tells his volunteer mentor that you locked him in his room as punishment, you are going down, too.

Post: #66

kittykat  Wrote:

SilentE  Wrote:

Why would you only look at Parentalrights.org?


This was ratified in 95... We do not adhere to the treaty. However other countries that do... maybe should. I know the fact that your children are not your property to do with as you wish is a big damn deal to many. Children having rights... big deal. Government being allowed to step in and override parents decisions big deal. However in the US our courts work a tad bit better than others and they're still shit.

Read the Treaty. No seriously read it. There are a lot of reasons that this could be a good thing for some countries, the ones that sell their children, abuse their children, kill their children, force their children into labor over education. I think it was a good effort but it did nothing in the long run.

Yes I followed this issue, I did homeschool my kids for awhile and I do believe that I should have full rights over my children but then again I don't have anything to hide and I don't follow the Pearls logic of training up children. So they're pretty safe.


•the right to life, survival and development
•the right to have their views respected, and to have their best interests considered at all times
•the right to a name and nationality, freedom of expression, and access to information concerning them
•the right to live in a family environment or alternative care, and to have contact with both parents wherever possible
•health and welfare rights, including rights for disabled children, the right to health and health care, and social security
•the right to education, leisure, culture and the arts
•special protection for refugee children, children in the juvenile justice system, children deprived of their liberty and children suffering economic, sexual or other forms of exploitation


Children only need rights because adults fail them.

Excuse me but you have no idea what case workers and what
Drs can do when they are not careful and dont assess the situation correctly.

Remember they are only people . working - and they DO NOT know your child as well as you do.
We are not talking about people who abuse their kdis- we are talking about parents who want the best for their kids - who are denied services
or put in other placements because of lack of funding

or because some govt auth sits behind a desks and says - YOUR CHILD DOESNT NEED this therapy - ( cause we dont wanna pay for it )
when that is the best option and placement.

I have guardianship for my son - to protect him from the idiots who think they know him better then I DO
When your child cant speak - you have to speak up for them
and rest assured - they have taken away plenty from him - they have cut services becaus they say he doenst need them ,,

REALLY????? I SAY HE DOES - that is why parents go to fair hearings to advocate for their children the best possible placements
or to try and get more hours or whatever they need- mostly the system doenst know wtf they are talkinga bout

I had a DR try and put my child in an institution - if I would have allowed that - he would probbaly still be there today - medicated and in a corner some where . and the director of MHMR told me so

I had the DR who was on STAFF FIRED for his misbehavior- mis diagnosis- and for over medicating my son - because he was an arrogant asshole
now my son is FINE _ but if he had anything to do with it- he would have gone before a judge and locked him away,,,even the nurse on staff who busted his little scheme told me that if they did that I would not even be allowed to see him fo 6 months..
that they had the authority to do that!
I had NO idea they could do that - I got news for you

he is NOT THEIR PROPERTY EITHER! he is entitled to be at home
where he is safe - and where I know he is thriving and not being
medicated and shoved in a corner somewhere!

I'm not trying to be a jerk about this but really? You don't want government involved in your sons care but you're complaining about government cutting services for him?

And parentalrights.org is more of a scare tactic. AGAIN it's not in place here in the US. But if you look outside the US you will see the that the abuse of children with or without special needs is horrendous... but that doesn't matter right? It doesn't effect you right?

Post: #67

Sad to see you people so vunerable to propaganda.

Post: #68

Oh look a child sex ring being busted all over the world... You know parents should be allowed to do what they want right?


They are after all their children...
Whether you're 19 days old or 4... you are your parents property to do as they wish...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48502531/ns/...d_courts/?

Post: #69

SilentE  Wrote:

kittykat  Wrote:

SilentE  Wrote:

Why would you only look at Parentalrights.org?


This was ratified in 95... We do not adhere to the treaty. However other countries that do... maybe should. I know the fact that your children are not your property to do with as you wish is a big damn deal to many. Children having rights... big deal. Government being allowed to step in and override parents decisions big deal. However in the US our courts work a tad bit better than others and they're still shit.

Read the Treaty. No seriously read it. There are a lot of reasons that this could be a good thing for some countries, the ones that sell their children, abuse their children, kill their children, force their children into labor over education. I think it was a good effort but it did nothing in the long run.

Yes I followed this issue, I did homeschool my kids for awhile and I do believe that I should have full rights over my children but then again I don't have anything to hide and I don't follow the Pearls logic of training up children. So they're pretty safe.


•the right to life, survival and development
•the right to have their views respected, and to have their best interests considered at all times
•the right to a name and nationality, freedom of expression, and access to information concerning them
•the right to live in a family environment or alternative care, and to have contact with both parents wherever possible
•health and welfare rights, including rights for disabled children, the right to health and health care, and social security
•the right to education, leisure, culture and the arts
•special protection for refugee children, children in the juvenile justice system, children deprived of their liberty and children suffering economic, sexual or other forms of exploitation


Children only need rights because adults fail them.

Excuse me but you have no idea what case workers and what
Drs can do when they are not careful and dont assess the situation correctly.

Remember they are only people . working - and they DO NOT know your child as well as you do.
We are not talking about people who abuse their kdis- we are talking about parents who want the best for their kids - who are denied services
or put in other placements because of lack of funding

or because some govt auth sits behind a desks and says - YOUR CHILD DOESNT NEED this therapy - ( cause we dont wanna pay for it )
when that is the best option and placement.

I have guardianship for my son - to protect him from the idiots who think they know him better then I DO
When your child cant speak - you have to speak up for them
and rest assured - they have taken away plenty from him - they have cut services becaus they say he doenst need them ,,

REALLY????? I SAY HE DOES - that is why parents go to fair hearings to advocate for their children the best possible placements
or to try and get more hours or whatever they need- mostly the system doenst know wtf they are talkinga bout

I had a DR try and put my child in an institution - if I would have allowed that - he would probbaly still be there today - medicated and in a corner some where . and the director of MHMR told me so

I had the DR who was on STAFF FIRED for his misbehavior- mis diagnosis- and for over medicating my son - because he was an arrogant asshole
now my son is FINE _ but if he had anything to do with it- he would have gone before a judge and locked him away,,,even the nurse on staff who busted his little scheme told me that if they did that I would not even be allowed to see him fo 6 months..
that they had the authority to do that!
I had NO idea they could do that - I got news for you

he is NOT THEIR PROPERTY EITHER! he is entitled to be at home
where he is safe - and where I know he is thriving and not being
medicated and shoved in a corner somewhere!

I'm not trying to be a jerk about this but really? You don't want government involved in your sons care but you're complaining about government cutting services for him?

And parentalrights.org is more of a scare tactic. AGAIN it's not in place here in the US. But if you look outside the US you will see the that the abuse of children with or without special needs is horrendous... but that doesn't matter right? It doesn't effect you right?

there is abuse right here

doesnt mean all parents are abusing there kids

there is a natrual right to want the best services for your child

and also a natural right to have a voice in your childs care

You think I DONT PAY TAXES????

just because someone gets services doesnt mean you give up a right
to have a say in where they go

do you give up those rights when they get a free education in public school? NO !

of course not - all my taxes pay for these programs - so I still have a right to make sure he gets whats best- I dont need them to tell me

their input and suggestions are always welcome -

And I still have a right to have a say in what happens to him

PERIOD

Post: #70

kittykat  Wrote:

SilentE  Wrote:

kittykat  Wrote:

Excuse me but you have no idea what case workers and what
Drs can do when they are not careful and dont assess the situation correctly.

Remember they are only people . working - and they DO NOT know your child as well as you do.
We are not talking about people who abuse their kdis- we are talking about parents who want the best for their kids - who are denied services
or put in other placements because of lack of funding

or because some govt auth sits behind a desks and says - YOUR CHILD DOESNT NEED this therapy - ( cause we dont wanna pay for it )
when that is the best option and placement.

I have guardianship for my son - to protect him from the idiots who think they know him better then I DO
When your child cant speak - you have to speak up for them
and rest assured - they have taken away plenty from him - they have cut services becaus they say he doenst need them ,,

REALLY????? I SAY HE DOES - that is why parents go to fair hearings to advocate for their children the best possible placements
or to try and get more hours or whatever they need- mostly the system doenst know wtf they are talkinga bout

I had a DR try and put my child in an institution - if I would have allowed that - he would probbaly still be there today - medicated and in a corner some where . and the director of MHMR told me so

I had the DR who was on STAFF FIRED for his misbehavior- mis diagnosis- and for over medicating my son - because he was an arrogant asshole
now my son is FINE _ but if he had anything to do with it- he would have gone before a judge and locked him away,,,even the nurse on staff who busted his little scheme told me that if they did that I would not even be allowed to see him fo 6 months..
that they had the authority to do that!
I had NO idea they could do that - I got news for you

he is NOT THEIR PROPERTY EITHER! he is entitled to be at home
where he is safe - and where I know he is thriving and not being
medicated and shoved in a corner somewhere!

I'm not trying to be a jerk about this but really? You don't want government involved in your sons care but you're complaining about government cutting services for him?

And parentalrights.org is more of a scare tactic. AGAIN it's not in place here in the US. But if you look outside the US you will see the that the abuse of children with or without special needs is horrendous... but that doesn't matter right? It doesn't effect you right?

there is abuse right here

doesnt mean all parents are abusing there kids

there is a natrual right to want the best services for your child

and also a natural right to have a voice in your childs care

You think I DONT PAY TAXES????

just because someone gets services doesnt mean you give up a right
to have a say in where they go

do you give up those rights when they get a free education in public school? NO !

of course not - all my taxes pay for these programs - so I still have a right to make sure he gets whats best- I dont need them to tell me

their input and suggestions are always welcome -

And I still have a right to have a say in what happens to him

PERIOD

oh and I PAY TO BE HIS LEGAL GUARIDAIN - and I answer to the court

and prove that I AM A FIT PARENT

so what have you done lately? do you volunteer and make sure that

kids are being taken care of - the ones that have NO VOICE?

Post: #71

kittykat  Wrote:

kittykat  Wrote:

SilentE  Wrote:

I'm not trying to be a jerk about this but really? You don't want government involved in your sons care but you're complaining about government cutting services for him?

And parentalrights.org is more of a scare tactic. AGAIN it's not in place here in the US. But if you look outside the US you will see the that the abuse of children with or without special needs is horrendous... but that doesn't matter right? It doesn't effect you right?

there is abuse right here

doesnt mean all parents are abusing there kids

there is a natrual right to want the best services for your child

and also a natural right to have a voice in your childs care

You think I DONT PAY TAXES????

just because someone gets services doesnt mean you give up a right
to have a say in where they go

do you give up those rights when they get a free education in public school? NO !

of course not - all my taxes pay for these programs - so I still have a right to make sure he gets whats best- I dont need them to tell me

their input and suggestions are always welcome -

And I still have a right to have a say in what happens to him

PERIOD

oh and I PAY TO BE HIS LEGAL GUARIDAIN - and I answer to the court

and prove that I AM A FIT PARENT

so what have you done lately? do you volunteer and make sure that

kids are being taken care of - the ones that have NO VOICE?

my son does have autism

Post: #72

LoP Guest  Wrote:

The Evil AC  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Of course, we wouldn't have so many special needs children if the dang pregnant moms would quit doing legal an illegal drugs, drinking, and smoking.

f*ck off. You lack knowledge, Maggot.

Hardly - that's why I wrote what I wrote. Sorry if you can't stand to read the truth. Now, I didn't say that all of the special needs children are products of drug abuse, but a large percentage are. About half the SPED children at our school fall into this category. It burns me up to see parents who have broken their children, and the school staff spends so much love, time, and money to remediate their learning difficulties. These difficulties typically fall into the categories of extreme phonemic awareness deficits, sometimes short/long-term memory processing deficits, and is often accompanied by ADHD - hyperactivity category.

In response to another poster, ADHD, ADD, autism and other physical disabilities and disorders are not immediately considered special education at the school level. The parameters for consideration include whether the physical disability affects the student's ability to acquire an adequate education in the regular education setting at a normal rate. There also cannot be other exclusionary factors. A student might have ADHD or a hearing problem, for example, but if there has not been an attempt to ratify the effects of the condition, then the child would be excluded even though his education is affected until such a time as the condition has been addressed.

Autism is another case altogether. When a child has moderate to severe autism, I personally believe it to be caused by environmental factors - vaccinations, food chemicals/wheat, etc. However, when it comes to Asperger's, you will normally see at least one parent which is very annul, particular about things, and detail oriented (they also tend to be very involved with their children), and are also lacking in social convention knowledge. Because of this, I personally believe that Asperger's is genetic, and one study did show that children of couples who each work in the math/science fields are much more likely to bear an Asperger's child than the general population. It's like the parents are carriers and present with some of the symptoms but the child has the condition.

I would never agree with requiring parents to give up their authority over their own children. However, in reality, any parent can lose a child very easily these days. The state of Georgia, for instance, has initiated new reporting procedures. ANY child volunteer (PTO, parent Little League Coach, room mom, Winter Party helpers, etc.) now have to report any injury or abuse as stated by a student. So in other words, when Mrs. James comes to the Field Day and accidentally bumps a student as she walks by a group of kids sitting on the ground and one student says to another that Mrs. James kicked her (you know how dramatic children can be) and Ms. Powers hears this, she is legally bound to report this even though she does not believe this to be true. So look out, people, as you are going to see all sorts of faces of innocent people on the 10 o'clock news for child abuse. All it takes is one student who is mad about a grade and the teacher is investigated. It's no wonder teachers are dropping out right and left. But, you parents aren't off the hook, either, because if Johnny tells his volunteer mentor that you locked him in his room as punishment, you are going down, too.

well and i agree that there needs to be checks and balance

but that is NOT what IM even talking about

education and services- and the things they need are being DENIED

by the same system that is in place supposed to help - THAT I FUND WITH MY TAXES

Post: #73

KittyKat I don't know where you live in the US, but I'm really sorry you're having a difficult time with services. I don't know if it's regional but there are some lovely groups where I live with a fantastic support system in place. The services offered in the schools and the in home therapy that is provided is very good. I certainly hope you do not think I was trying to diminish your struggle. And I was trying to point out that parentalrights.org is not what it states it is. Of course you need to have the ability to offer and find good care for your son but it has nothing to do with the parents that try and fight. And everything to do with the parents that do nothing and offer their children no support or help them find their way.