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UN says gassing scene may have been "manipulated"
Doug Fisher
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UN says gassing scene has been "manipulated"
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Ekpe Ekpo aka Kokuryuu  Wrote: (09-17-2013 02:10 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-17-2013 01:26 PM)
you completely avoid the issue and state that I am applying standard logic models out of context.

You then proceed to tell me that "islamists" who are extremist are acting in what is in the best interest of Israel. An Islamists doctrine who's slogan is to destroy zionism? It is in Israel's best interest that such an element take over in Syria? What kind of crap is that? No wonder you don't understand the fallacy in the logic.

Let's get to the point. What is in Israel's best interest is to keep the civil war going on as long as possible and that is accomplished by keeping Assad in power as long as possible. You fail to recognize the depth of the deception, the full panoramic, and just who is acting in who's interest.

So you can't see how an isolated country would want to have all their neighbours in disaray? Name one successful Jihad undertaken by the Islamists in any part of the world, other than Indonesia.
And Islamist ideology is just Zionism for muslims. You really can't see that? Is Libya more of a threat now that it is run by Islamists who murder each other willy nilly, or when it was run by the Qaddafis ? Because we don't hear about any evil Libyan regime any more even though it worse off without Qaddafi.
Conventional armies (like Assad's or Gaddafi's) are a threat to the state of Israel and the elites. Islamic terrorists are really only a threat to the peasants.

When was the last time Islamic extremists killed one of the elites in a terror attack? They're a wet dream for the elites...they're able to gain more power and strip us of more freedoms with each terrorist attack. They wouldn't have gotten away with half of these power grabs if it wasn't for 9/11.
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Ekpe Ekpo aka Kokuryuu
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Post: #137
UN says gassing scene has been "manipulated"
Doug Fisher  Wrote: (09-17-2013 02:28 PM)
Ekpe Ekpo aka Kokuryuu  Wrote: (09-17-2013 02:10 PM)
So you can't see how an isolated country would want to have all their neighbours in disaray? Name one successful Jihad undertaken by the Islamists in any part of the world, other than Indonesia.
And Islamist ideology is just Zionism for muslims. You really can't see that? Is Libya more of a threat now that it is run by Islamists who murder each other willy nilly, or when it was run by the Qaddafis ? Because we don't hear about any evil Libyan regime any more even though it worse off without Qaddafi.
Conventional armies (like Assad's or Gaddafi's) are a threat to the state of Israel and the elites. Islamic terrorists are really only a threat to the peasants.

When was the last time Islamic extremists killed one of the elites in a terror attack? They're a wet dream for the elites...they're able to gain more power and strip us of more freedoms with each terrorist attack. They wouldn't have gotten away with half of these power grabs if it wasn't for 9/11.

Thankyou. Someone else who can think ahead of immediate consequences. All of Israels military must be rooting for the "rebels", when have Hamas ever made progress into Israel?
And 9/11 was their ultimate coup they got control of American FP and garnered untold military endeavors into the ME by the West.

NEC PLURIBUS IMPAR bit*hes

I am a son of the spear of God.
"Land of rising sun, we love and cherish, Beloved homeland of our brave heroes; We must defend our lives or we shall perish, We shall protect our hearts from all our foes; But if the price is death for all we hold dear, Then let us die without a shred of fear."
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Doug Fisher
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Post: #138
UN says gassing scene has been "manipulated"
Ekpe Ekpo aka Kokuryuu  Wrote: (09-17-2013 02:31 PM)
Doug Fisher  Wrote: (09-17-2013 02:28 PM)
Conventional armies (like Assad's or Gaddafi's) are a threat to the state of Israel and the elites. Islamic terrorists are really only a threat to the peasants.

When was the last time Islamic extremists killed one of the elites in a terror attack? They're a wet dream for the elites...they're able to gain more power and strip us of more freedoms with each terrorist attack. They wouldn't have gotten away with half of these power grabs if it wasn't for 9/11.

Thankyou. Someone else who can think ahead of immediate consequences. All of Israels military must be rooting for the "rebels", when have Hamas ever made progress into Israel?
And 9/11 was their ultimate coup they got control of American FP and garnered untold military endeavors into the ME by the West.
Jhikpghf

It's no wonder we fund terrorism...it's a win / win situation for the government and the elites. Not only do they do the dirty work of overthrowing your enemies, but they give you an excuse to gain more power and strip people of civil liberties.

Unfortunately it's a lose / lose for the public. We take the hit in the terror attacks and then we're stripped of our freedom to add insult to injury.
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Ekpe Ekpo aka Kokuryuu
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Post: #139
UN says gassing scene has been "manipulated"
Doug Fisher  Wrote: (09-17-2013 02:38 PM)
Ekpe Ekpo aka Kokuryuu  Wrote: (09-17-2013 02:31 PM)
Thankyou. Someone else who can think ahead of immediate consequences. All of Israels military must be rooting for the "rebels", when have Hamas ever made progress into Israel?
And 9/11 was their ultimate coup they got control of American FP and garnered untold military endeavors into the ME by the West.
Jhikpghf

It's no wonder we fund terrorism...it's a win / win situation for the government and the elites. Not only do they do the dirty work of overthrowing your enemies, but they give you an excuse to gain more power and strip people of civil liberties.

Unfortunately it's a lose / lose for the public. We take the hit in the terror attacks and then we're stripped of our freedom to add insult to injury.

Surely it is our turn to win soon, just a bit more exposure and we got 'em

NEC PLURIBUS IMPAR bit*hes

I am a son of the spear of God.
"Land of rising sun, we love and cherish, Beloved homeland of our brave heroes; We must defend our lives or we shall perish, We shall protect our hearts from all our foes; But if the price is death for all we hold dear, Then let us die without a shred of fear."
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Doug Fisher
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Post: #140
UN says gassing scene has been "manipulated"
Ekpe Ekpo aka Kokuryuu  Wrote: (09-17-2013 03:07 PM)
Doug Fisher  Wrote: (09-17-2013 02:38 PM)
Jhikpghf

It's no wonder we fund terrorism...it's a win / win situation for the government and the elites. Not only do they do the dirty work of overthrowing your enemies, but they give you an excuse to gain more power and strip people of civil liberties.

Unfortunately it's a lose / lose for the public. We take the hit in the terror attacks and then we're stripped of our freedom to add insult to injury.

Surely it is our turn to win soon, just a bit more exposure and we got 'em
Let's hope so
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Post: #141
UN says gassing scene has been "manipulated"
Doug Fisher  Wrote: (09-17-2013 02:28 PM)
Conventional armies (like Assad's or Gaddafi's) are a threat to the state of Israel and the elites. Islamic terrorists are really only a threat to the peasants.

Good point there. As long as my country is safe, I couldn't care less what is happening in the next country. Something like the United states of America was part of the founding of the Taliban movement (Goes back to when Soviet union decided to invade Afghanistan)

So, follow the money. Who gains here?
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Post: #142
UN says gassing scene has been "manipulated"
So Easy to Lie to Congress
US Congress deceived by sarin plot

The UN has been known to promote the false narratives of the West in order to push the NWO agenda. I wouldn't doubt that they would do the same with Syria.

We'll know for sure what he UN's hidden agenda is if the report implicates Assad in the CW attacks. There's such a volume of evidence implicating the FSA terrorists at this point that it would be hard to swallow a UN report arguing otherwise.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/16/...-congress/

By Gordon Duff and Press TV

“Israel, given AIPAC’s “warmongering,” has been seen by many as orchestrating, not just the “civil war” in Syria, but the false-flag gas attacks as well.”

[snip]

Reports, with limited confirmation, detail how Al Nusra/Al Qaeda forces inside Syria had kidnapped children from occupied regions to use as “victims” of a staged false-flag attack meant to bring the US into the Syrian conflict.

Children were said to have been smothered and laid out to be photographed and filmed with video cameras. The scene was said to resemble the “Crisis Actor” operations the US Department of Homeland Security has staged, simulating terror attacks for training purposes.

By coincidence, these theatrical contracting firms have been on the scene of several real disasters, the Boston Marathon bombing, the Sandy Hook shootings and most infamously, the 7/7 London bomb attacks.

If these allegations are true, particularly this being the 12th anniversary of 9/11, an event no longer questioned by any rational individual as itself being a carefully orchestrated false-flag attack, the idea of murdering children for “political expedience” is totally plausible.

Competing intelligence operations?

There is mounting evidence that Syrian rebels were responsible for the August 2013 attacks:

· hacked emails citing US contracting firms in the planning and execution

· investigative journalists in Georgia

· Press TV reports from Turkey detailing WMD transit into Syria

· Turkey’s seizure of Sarin shipments to Al Nusra

· Statements made to FBI by Eric Haroon which led to his arrest, silence and press smears

· the arrest of a Turkish general in Aleppo two days ago

· videos of rebels using Sarin gas

· videos of rebel leaders admitting to the use of chemical weapons

· along with witness testimony and physical evidence submitted by Russia

A far better case can be made to support Russia’s position than that of the Obama White House.

[snip]
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Post: #143
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Rockets were fired from a republican guard base.

Mapping the Sarin Flight Path

In appendix 5 of their report, after describing the size and structure of two rocket delivery systems used, they go one step further and actually reveal the direction some of the rockets likely came from. Using standard field investigative techniques examining the debris field and impact area where the rockets struck, the report provides precise azimuths, or angular measurements, that allow us to work out the actual trajectory of the rockets.

“Impact site number 1 (Moadamiya) and impact site number 4 (Ein Tarma),” the inspectors wrote, “provide sufficient evidence to determine, with a sufficient degree of accuracy, the likely trajectory of the projectiles.” They go on to say that 3 of the rockets they inspected had bearings of 34 and 35 degrees for 2 of the rockets that landed in Moadamiya, and 285 degrees for 1 of the rockets that landed in Ein Tarma.

The two attack locations are located 16 kilometers apart, but when mapping these trajectories, the presumed flight paths of the rockets converge on a well-known military base of the Republican Guard 104th Brigade.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2013/09/17/disp...light-path

[Image: HRWRocketBearingMap_v1b.jpg]
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Post: #144
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•REC  Wrote: (09-17-2013 05:14 PM)
Rockets were fired from a republican guard base.

Mapping the Sarin Flight Path

In appendix 5 of their report, after describing the size and structure of two rocket delivery systems used, they go one step further and actually reveal the direction some of the rockets likely came from. Using standard field investigative techniques examining the debris field and impact area where the rockets struck, the report provides precise azimuths, or angular measurements, that allow us to work out the actual trajectory of the rockets.

“Impact site number 1 (Moadamiya) and impact site number 4 (Ein Tarma),” the inspectors wrote, “provide sufficient evidence to determine, with a sufficient degree of accuracy, the likely trajectory of the projectiles.” They go on to say that 3 of the rockets they inspected had bearings of 34 and 35 degrees for 2 of the rockets that landed in Moadamiya, and 285 degrees for 1 of the rockets that landed in Ein Tarma.

The two attack locations are located 16 kilometers apart, but when mapping these trajectories, the presumed flight paths of the rockets converge on a well-known military base of the Republican Guard 104th Brigade.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2013/09/17/disp...light-path

[Image: HRWRocketBearingMap_v1b.jpg]

I thought they specifically said this report wasn't going to get into who was responsible?
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Doug Fisher  Wrote: (09-17-2013 05:20 PM)
•REC  Wrote: (09-17-2013 05:14 PM)
Rockets were fired from a republican guard base.

Mapping the Sarin Flight Path

In appendix 5 of their report, after describing the size and structure of two rocket delivery systems used, they go one step further and actually reveal the direction some of the rockets likely came from. Using standard field investigative techniques examining the debris field and impact area where the rockets struck, the report provides precise azimuths, or angular measurements, that allow us to work out the actual trajectory of the rockets.

“Impact site number 1 (Moadamiya) and impact site number 4 (Ein Tarma),” the inspectors wrote, “provide sufficient evidence to determine, with a sufficient degree of accuracy, the likely trajectory of the projectiles.” They go on to say that 3 of the rockets they inspected had bearings of 34 and 35 degrees for 2 of the rockets that landed in Moadamiya, and 285 degrees for 1 of the rockets that landed in Ein Tarma.

The two attack locations are located 16 kilometers apart, but when mapping these trajectories, the presumed flight paths of the rockets converge on a well-known military base of the Republican Guard 104th Brigade.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2013/09/17/disp...light-path

[Image: HRWRocketBearingMap_v1b.jpg]

I thought they specifically said this report wasn't going to get into who was responsible?

To be fair, I don't know why they released that information either.

The report was just about as good as the opposition could have hoped for.
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So now we know that the UN is promoting the false narratives of the West in order to push the NWO agenda against Syria...

Was that really any surprise considering we already knew that the UN never took military action against Israel for gassing the Palestinians with white phosphorous gas?
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Post: #147
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There's a rather crappy video out there claiming to show rebels using chemical weapons.

I expect that'll pinned in a few hours too.
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•REC  Wrote: (09-17-2013 07:35 PM)
There's a rather crappy video out there claiming to show rebels using chemical weapons.

I expect that'll pinned in a few hours too.

28 days after the event, it's claiming to show rebels attacking Damascus with chemical weapons.

It's shot in a secluded wooded area, which is odd, given the targets that were hit.

No chemical weapons are shown and only one of the two types of launchers and rockets used on Aug 21.

Chumps are going to love it.
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•REC  Wrote: (09-17-2013 07:44 PM)
•REC  Wrote: (09-17-2013 07:35 PM)
There's a rather crappy video out there claiming to show rebels using chemical weapons.

I expect that'll pinned in a few hours too.

28 days after the event, it's claiming to show rebels attacking Damascus with chemical weapons.

It's shot in a secluded wooded area, which is odd, given the targets that were hit.

No chemical weapons are shown and only one of the two types of launchers and rockets used on Aug 21.

Chumps are going to love it.

Do you like talking to yourself in the third person?

And replying to yourself?

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Disturbed  Wrote: (01-03-2014 07:10 AM)
Would be really nice to get rid of some of the OCD here.
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Wow. Really picking up some red there.

It was only a matter of time.
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