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**dolphin**

Missy Wrote:

Or here's a thought, maybe he really is mentally ill.

Unless you are a danger to yourself, or others being mentally ill is not enough to hold you.

Everyone is mentally ill to some degree, or another.

**Tyche Unleashed**

Missy Wrote:

Or here's a thought, maybe he really is mentally ill.

Maybe.I've thought that.
If he is not a threat to himself or others though,there is no legal right to hold him against his will.

**Zardoz** · (This post was last modified: 08-21-2012 12:38 AM by Zardoz.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

I still don't quite understand this. Has he been charged with a crime?

I don't think you need to be charged with a crime these days. You can be detained for as long as they want without arrest, accusation or trial. He's a suspected terrorist because he served in the military. Our Constitution is being ignored by our Constitutional Lawyer President. Very sad.

**dolphin** · (This post was last modified: 08-21-2012 12:44 AM by dolphin.)

Zardoz Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
I still don't quite understand this. Has he been charged with a crime?

I don't think you need to be charged with a crime these days. You can be detained for as long as they want without arrest, accusation or trial. He's a suspected terrorist because he served in the military. Our Constitution is being ignored by our Constitutional Lawyer President. Very sad.

Most States have a law where you can be held for observation for three days. All it takes is an arbitrary judgement call by a local police officer.

The moment they check you into the ward you can ask for a medical release form and sign it stating you want to check yourself out. That starts the countdown whereby within 5 days they must release you, or get a judge to committ you.

If they want to hold you longer than 3 to 5 days they have to take you to court and get a Judges order for committment.

To do that they need to evaluate you.

To do that they need you to open your mouth and talk.

If you keep your mouth shut you get out in three to five days as long as you don't exhibot any violent, suicidal, or homicidal behavior.

Unfortunately for Raub he could not keep his mouth shut and the Psychiatric Staff are very creative when it comes to interpreting anything you say into making it sound like your crazy.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 110457 08-21-2012 12:44 AM

Then again there is one more possibility.

Did he deliberately try to cause just enough trouble for the sole purpose of creating a lawsuit, without actually breaking any law?

If so some folks just got p owned.

If he proves he only exercised his 1st amendment rights. Did not at any time threaten any person or property.....he has a suit that can get pushed all the way up.

I often wonder about that angle on a lot of these stories. I know some people who have constant lawsuits going for all kinds of things.

**CourtDude** · (This post was last modified: 08-21-2012 12:49 AM by CourtDude.)

I am in no way defending the actions of anyone that was a party to his 'detention', but this happened in Virgina just a few miles from my home.

We had the Virginia Tech massacre which happened because the individual was not subject to an evaluation when he had been recommended to be by a university psychiatrist--the university intervention team thought they were powerless to intervene.

This is the reactionary response to his posts driven into a state of over sensitivity because we all remember the day of the massacre here.

I never cried so hard as that day and my wife had Virgina State Police CAD up on her laptop showing the names of the murdered days before they were made public and which trooper was going to who's home to give the devastating news--I couldn't bring myself to look for fear of seeing a family name I knew.

This is an over reaction in my opinion, but as I said, the memory and hurt is still too recent for any possibility of it happening here again to be overlooked.

If you must, hate my message, not me for stating what is fact here.

**dolphin** · (This post was last modified: 08-21-2012 12:54 AM by dolphin.)

CourtDude Wrote:

I am in no way defending the actions of anyone that was a party to his 'detention', but this happened in Virgina just a few miles from my home.

We had the Virginia Tech massacre which happened because the individual was not subject to an evaluation when he had been recommended to be by a university psychiatrist--the university intervention team thought they were powerless to intervene.

This is the reactionary response to his posts driven into a state of over sensitivity because we all remember the day of the massacre here.

I never cried so hard as that day and my wife had Virgina State Police CAD up on her laptop showing the names of the murdered days before they were made public and which trooper was going to who's home to give the devastating news--I couldn't bring myself to look for fear of seeing a family name I knew.

This is an over reaction in my opinion, but as I said, the memory anfd hurt is still too recent for any possibility of it happening here again to be overlooked.

If you must, hate my message, not me for stating what is fact here.

These murders are happening everyday all over the country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W-Wo7xaSv0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2bumQQbNck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdip3ypW6Kk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiCdMFB2iPw

**Mickey Finn**

Too much text here.

I read what he said. It wasn't anything that anyone else here isn't saying. The guy woke up. Simple As!

And also I think it's about time that the psychiatric 'profession' stopped making an illness out of human nature.

**CourtDude**

dolphin Wrote:

CourtDude Wrote:
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These murders are happening everyday all over the country.

.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W-Wo7xaSv0

.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdip3ypW6Kk

That is a fact.

And Virginians I have learned, have an extremely long memory and very narrow view.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 115728 08-21-2012 12:54 AM

Missy Wrote:

Or here's a thought, maybe he really is mentally ill.

Imagine yourself being his close relative.

You know that he writes crazy stuff on his FB account (“The Revolution is here. And I will lead it", "Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads”) and posing semi-naked with guns. You guess he might suffer post-traumatic stress disorder as many vets do. He doesn't want to speak with you. You read about all the shooting massacres that just happened.

What would you do?

Imagine yourself being his neighbor.

What would you do?

**dolphin** · (This post was last modified: 08-21-2012 12:58 AM by dolphin.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

Missy Wrote:
Or here's a thought, maybe he really is mentally ill.

Imagine yourself being his close relative.

You know that he writes crazy stuff on his FB account (“The Revolution is here. And I will lead it", "Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads”) and posing semi-naked with guns. You guess he might suffer post-traumatic stress disorder as many vets do. He doesn't want to speak with you. You read about all the shooting massacres that just happened.

What would you do?

Imagine yourself being his neighbor.

What would you do?

That is not the case in his case. His family knew what he was doing and why he was doing it and agreed with what he was doing.

In fact they worked together on materials he was using on his Facebook page.

His Mother and Brother being Interviewed.

WTPN presents The Liberty Hour
http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/tal...018&cmd=tc

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 115761 08-21-2012 01:01 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

Missy Wrote:
Or here's a thought, maybe he really is mentally ill.

Imagine yourself being his close relative.

You know that he writes crazy stuff on his FB account (“The Revolution is here. And I will lead it", "Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads”) and posing semi-naked with guns. You guess he might suffer post-traumatic stress disorder as many vets do. He doesn't want to speak with you. You read about all the shooting massacres that just happened.

What would you do?

Imagine yourself being his neighbor.

What would you do?

"Sharpen my axe, I'm here to sever heads"

Have they arrested the Swollen Members who actually wrote the lyrics? Probably not, because (besides the fact the guy says he's glad he's alive and grateful to God for giving him the skills he has) -

- "sharpening the axe" means to be prepared. Abraham Lincoln is known for his quote, "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe." The late Steven Covey made it famous among his millions of readers ("sharpening the saw," same thing): he found that it was one of the "Seven Habits of Highly Effective People." As one Army chaplain says, "the secret to more productivity is not more work, but rather the systematic sharpening of one’s tools." (http://www.hawaiiarmyweekly.com/2011/11/...r-ax-t...) Google it. There are endless references to this principle. And

- "cuttin' heads" means to outperform one's rival. "Cuttin' Heads: Also known as "headcutting," the term refers to a competition between musicians where one player will try to outdo another, entertaining an audience by outplaying or outperforming a rival. A time-honored blues tradition, Muddy Waters and his bands were known as dangerous headcutters on the Chicago blues scene." Their "weapons" were their instruments. It's a metaphor. The song employs what's called poetic license. (http://blues.about.com/od/bluesglossary/...Heads.htm)

http://www.dailypaul...comment/2674999

and posing semi-naked with guns.

I'd really like to see this semi-nude pics. He's kinda cute. The only pics I saw showed him shirtless.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 115728 08-21-2012 01:10 AM

dolphin Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Missy Wrote:
Or here's a thought, maybe he really is mentally ill.

Imagine yourself being his close relative.

You know that he writes crazy stuff on his FB account (“The Revolution is here. And I will lead it", "Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads”) and posing semi-naked with guns. You guess he might suffer post-traumatic stress disorder as many vets do. He doesn't want to speak with you. You read about all the shooting massacres that just happened.

What would you do?

Imagine yourself being his neighbor.

What would you do?

That is not the case in his case. His family knew what he was doing and why he was doing it and agreed with what he was doing.

In fact they worked together on materials he was using on his Facebook page.

His Mother and Brother being Interviewed.
...

His whole family was involved in that??? f*ck...

Okay, then imagine yourself being their neighbor and having few growing up kids.

What would you do?

**dolphin** · (This post was last modified: 08-21-2012 01:21 AM by dolphin.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Missy Wrote:
Or here's a thought, maybe he really is mentally ill.

Imagine yourself being his close relative.

You know that he writes crazy stuff on his FB account (“The Revolution is here. And I will lead it", "Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads”) and posing semi-naked with guns. You guess he might suffer post-traumatic stress disorder as many vets do. He doesn't want to speak with you. You read about all the shooting massacres that just happened.

What would you do?

Imagine yourself being his neighbor.

What would you do?

"Sharpen my axe, I'm here to sever heads"

Have they arrested the Swollen Members who actually wrote the lyrics? Probably not, because (besides the fact the guy says he's glad he's alive and grateful to God for giving him the skills he has) -

- "sharpening the axe" means to be prepared. Abraham Lincoln is known for his quote, "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe." The late Steven Covey made it famous among his millions of readers ("sharpening the saw," same thing): he found that it was one of the "Seven Habits of Highly Effective People." As one Army chaplain says, "the secret to more productivity is not more work, but rather the systematic sharpening of one’s tools." (http://www.hawaiiarmyweekly.com/2011/11/...r-ax-t...) Google it. There are endless references to this principle. And

- "cuttin' heads" means to outperform one's rival. "Cuttin' Heads: Also known as "headcutting," the term refers to a competition between musicians where one player will try to outdo another, entertaining an audience by outplaying or outperforming a rival. A time-honored blues tradition, Muddy Waters and his bands were known as dangerous headcutters on the Chicago blues scene." Their "weapons" were their instruments. It's a metaphor. The song employs what's called poetic license. (http://blues.about.com/od/bluesglossary/...Heads.htm)

http://www.dailypaul...comment/2674999

and posing semi-naked with guns.

I'd really like to see this semi-nude pics. He's kinda cute. The only pics I saw showed him shirtless.

And now that he is locked up in a psychiatric ward they will give him a diagnosis about his fixation to posting these references online and determine that he might pose a danger to himself, or others because he made the mistake of opening his mouth and trying to explain it to them when what he should have done was kept his mouth shut insisting he would speak to a psychiatrist as an outpatient once they released him after their three day hold. Now that he opened his mouth a judge will committ him and he is stuck for 30 days after which they may decide to keep him longer. The longer your in the harder it is to get out.

All because he could not keep his mouth shut because he was proud of what he was doing on FaceBook and wanted everyone to hear about it thinking it would all make sense to them and they would give him a pat on the back and send him home.

I can guess they will likely be writing in his notes that he has delusions of grandeur for sure since he said he will be leading the revolution. Thats a no brainer and enough to keep him right there.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 42015 08-21-2012 01:22 AM

If he's in a psych ward they will pump him up with all kinds of debilitating drugs. They may even experiment with new drugs. He will never be the same