Post: #31

Twatwaffle  Wrote:

There is no reason that under the Constitution, non-natural persons (corporate entities)

STOP right there.

Defining them as "non natural persons" defines them as persons.

You gettin this?

You, define the words, of your language, by your agreeing to use them in certain ways.

Better to call them "Collections of empowered rich persons, and subserviant voting class of sub-persons, who volitionally by becoming shareholders, empower the first party of persons."

This definition I have given you, is the more true definition.

Stop trying to confuse persons, as to what the word person means. JEsus!

Post: #32

assault on words and
persons?  Wrote:

Better to call them "Collections of empowered rich persons, and subserviant voting class of sub-persons, who volitionally by becoming shareholders, empower the first party of persons."

This definition I have given you, is the more true definition.

You obviously have no experience in being a micro and small business owner. Not surprising, it is a dying art. Death by strangulation.

In the U.S., state government is the granting authority of non-natural persons. If you don't like the language of the law or the fact that government controls the very existence of non-natural persons, move to change it.

Post: #33

Twatwaffle  Wrote:

assault on words and
persons?  Wrote:

Better to call them "Collections of empowered rich persons, and subserviant voting class of sub-persons, who volitionally by becoming shareholders, empower the first party of persons."

This definition I have given you, is the more true definition.

You obviously have no experience in being a micro and small business owner. Not surprising, it is a dying art. Death by strangulation.

In the U.S., state government is the granting authority of non-natural persons. If you don't like the language of the law or the fact that government controls the very existence of non-natural persons, move to change it.

I think he has already made the move......... in his own vocabulary.

Post: #34

Twatwaffle  Wrote:

If you don't like the language of the law or the fact that government controls the very existence of non-natural persons, move to change it.

BLAH

Here is truth:

Corporations are not persons.

It is only this classes of persons who have trouble simplifying it: Judges, Lawyers, Monarchs, Marxist anti-god talmudic douchebags.

Person means limited in power, by the divine. And yet also, person means, birthed from woman. It is simple ye dumbshites, hearken unto me and hear what truth fayethf

You are a person, as at John the book of, wherein THE LOGOS is called Phos Anthropos, the light within mankind.

What has happened in ye modernd daye kingodmes of late, is that these internal Phos in the particular anthropos called "board member" or "shareholder" do truely become like many ights shining as not unlike a LASERBEAM. Thereupon do the Phos Anthropos light within the other persons, become disabled and disenabled, by the luciferian glomming-up, of the lucifer-captured hearts which then give their Phos to Lucy.

Tell me please, ye sages and knowers of things both true and right-eous: How therefore shall the Phos of the NON-corporate person, the so-called "natural person" --as if the word person need defining, it does not-- ...Anyway, how shall the natural person, glom his Phos with his fellows, so as to produce a collective heart-beam to match the luciferian laserbeam which the system of this planet nurses and encourage?

How then and how now, is the human family more or less enabled to weild a collective gathering of their Phos, to more reflect a wavelength of truth in Jesus' words of the gospel? How shall the people, the real people I mean, field a battlefield laser of the Luciferian magnitude? If they desire to save their own Phos, and to have it resonate like Jesus' did, that is to say, in a wavlength of pure love and yet pure right-eousness (well as pure as any normal mother-born man can do, I do not think he was perfect mind you...) The point is, the bible says Jesus was PHOS ANTHROPOS the light inside you. So if you let YOUR heart light shine, then you will ipso facto a priori be thereby resisting the alternative, which is adherence and wave-length-matching, of the Lucifer scheme.

Collection of Phos, is what this planet has been about.

Let's have Superjury™ as I have clearly explained on several of ye Internete domains. I have explained it here as well, I think. Essentially, courtrooms and voting, need to be combined into one giant rock concert. Search for my trademark and you'll see it. But hey you know, all credit to Jesus, because he illuminates the goodness in all of us, and that is how I know Superjury™ will prove to be the most uyseful tool ever. Seriously, get moving. Voting and court are both high level bullshit, so the quicker you move to end their charters, then the quicker you won't have to suffer their ill tempers when Americans get out of line and start growing their own crops or raising dairy cows or other criminal stuff the government hates.

Post: #35

Did the rabbis know words better than Jesus?

In 0 AD I mean. Then, forward to 10 AD, when supposedly, Rabbi Hillel, died at age 120.

IMO Jesus stood in front of Hillel and told him to be ashamed. Because Hillel is known to have abolished jubilee, and made debts collectible, by selling houses out from under the owners.

Now, this history of law, is never taught to lawyers. The King cancels debts and has the power to do so. But Hillel and the law-knowers and merchant-priestkings who came after him:

1: Akiva
2: Meir
3: haNasi

...are the ones who then built mishnah and talmud and uniting of babylon and Jerusalem.

Now, Israel has invaded Babylon with their puppet state USA. I am an American. Shall I consent to have Israel run our nation?

But further, if Gunther Grass, can only get through to you dummies, by using poetry, than actually, and think its obvious that the only solution is to make poetry mandated as the new Latin.

Seriously, replace all Latin, with poetry.

In the courts then, people would have to compose verse, to make their points. And in this way would the bards return. And the Bard, exists and thrives within America. Yes, arm the bard and place him in your courts, and you may be said to have tried to fight this power which now owns you and will kill you soon, if you do not listen to what I'm saying.

Can you imagine lawyers objecting and moving the court, in poetry? Well naturally the whole courtroom would then be a ruckus. There would be endless laughter in every court, and yet also some somber moments as well.

Yes, picture if you will, Perry Mason, armed with a lute, and composing verse to indict the murdering or thieving bastard on the stand. Musn't the good judge allow the bard to return to the court rooms? I say yes!

Forget ye not, that TruTV, which aired Jesse Ventura's awesome show, was previously named CourtTV. Think long and hard about that. I watched courtTV from the first day it aired.

Why didn't courtTV have a 24/7 Howard Beale-style phone in line, for the plebes? It would have been a big step toward Superjury™. Oh well, they changed the name and gave us a professional wrestler who tried to sue the TSA and then bailed to Mexico. Haha, derp.

Post: #36

WalkersEverywhere  Wrote:

Oh, and lawyers need to suffer the consequences of defending the guilty, ie they need to go to prison if they defend a murderer, thief, etc.

Commie/fascist horseshit.

Without benefit of counsel, how is guilt/innocence to be determined?

The right to legal represention should be a given in any civilized society.

Post: #37

~white^ ^lurker~  Wrote:

Vermont has some real thinkers on her land! She is progressive in many ways.
It would be an honor to live there. I would in a second if I could do the weather, lol

The weather isn't so bad here.

Part of the adventure.

Post: #38

~white^ ^lurker~  Wrote:

Vermont has some real thinkers on her land!

Indeed

Thats why the gubmint tried to wash them out of the land using Irene as cover

Post: #39

A corporation is defined as "an artificial person created with many of the duties and powers of an individual."

That said, a person doing business as DBA can be sued, for anything say a liability and a judgment would be able to attach to any of his personal property i.e. home, job as in wage garnishment or profits, car, assets in order to recover the money.

A corporation is a form of protection, as toward it's corporate assets, equipment, desks, computers, are limited and the officiers personal assets cannot be touched, their home, car, but it is more of a tax shelter. Corporations do own properties, they do pay wages. But they can divest themselves of assets more readily. Say pay out big bonuses
then go chapter 7 and claim no corporate assets. It really is fooked in a way.

Where it gets hard to trace, discover, is when the parent corporation, makes subsidiaries, little corporate children to hide their assets under. Then they have little subsidiary corporation grandchildren, and use different names and have ways to hide different assets. It takes a good reseacher/skip tracer/asset finder to round the beasties up and take their ill gotten windfalls.

Post: #40

hurchel  Wrote:

A corporation is defined as "an artificial person created with many of the duties and powers of an individual."

....

Where it gets hard to trace, discover, is when the parent corporation, makes subsidiaries, little corporate children to hide their assets under. Then they have little subsidiary corporation grandchildren, and use different names and have ways to hide different assets.

A great summation.

The subsidiary issue outlined is exactly why the Sanders Constitutional proposal is deficient, as corporations created under non-profit provisions of state law would be allowed to continue to spending unlimited sums in elections.

In short, it would solve nothing.

Accordingly, the only option is to prohibit spending of ALL artificial (non-natural) persons. This option, however, limits liberty, but given the situation as it stands today with multi-nationals as powerful as they already are, it may very well be a worthwhile limitation.

Post: #41

Looks like I found the VT resolution, JRS011. Unfortunately it doesn't presently show the resolution as "Adopted", but that just may be a website update thing. http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/resolutn...ssion=2012

Assuming the "as adopted" version is the same as the "as introduced" version, the wording of the VT resolution is actually pretty good as it makes no distinction between for-profit and non-profit corporate entities-- it merely states that ALL corporations are not "persons".

Quote:Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives:

That the General Assembly urges Congress to propose an amendment to the United States Constitution for the states’ consideration which provides that corporations are not persons under the laws of the United States or any of its jurisdictional subdivisions...

http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/2012/res...JRS011.pdf

Post: #42

Chewbacca  Wrote:

Here is truth:

Corporations are not persons.

It is only this classes of persons who have trouble simplifying it: Judges, Lawyers, Monarchs, Marxist anti-god talmudic douchebags.

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OK...that was 'stop one in one's tracks' funny. Now to will proceed reading the remainder of your post...

Post: #43

None of you dunbasses know mountain.

Djed pillars. beacon of truth.

Q: Why is law school/religion the way it is?
A: Because the people ask for law like this.