Art Seagren:
I saw a 300 person village die in 12 days -- with this virus 25 years ago -- believe this or not -- they did not give the people a burial they burned every thing to the ground - and sent a team of 4 men to shoot any dog that had gotten away.

No new news on that outbreak since September 10th.

Is that part true?

LoP Guest  Wrote:

I've been dreaming of interstate freeway closures, gates on the 80 being welded shut. Interesting..

Link?

Twistiburger  Wrote:

Enaid  Wrote:

Possibly - an epidemic.

Why else - would you not be able to travel?

Was my first thought too....

NIH superbug claims 7th victim
“This kid probably got this infection because a patient who was a carrier [of the superbug] was on the same unit,” said Gallin.

New SARS-like virus detected in Middle East
Global health officials are closely monitoring a new respiratory virus related to SARS that is believed to have killed at least one person in Saudi Arabia and left a Qatari citizen in critical condition in London.

The germ is a coronavirus, from a family of viruses that cause the common cold as well as SARS, the severe acute respiratory syndrome that killed some 800 people, mostly in Asia, in a 2003 epidemic.

In the latest case, British officials alerted the World Health Organization on Saturday of the new virus in a man who transferred from Qatar to be treated in London. He had recently traveled to Saudi Arabia and is now being treated in an intensive care unit after suffering kidney failure.

WHO said virus samples from the patient are almost identical to those of a 60-year-old Saudi national who died earlier this year. The agency isn't currently recommending travel restrictions and said the source of infection remains unknown. Still, the situation has raised concerns ahead of next month's annual Hajj pilgrimage, which brings millions of people to Saudi Arabia from around the world.

Health officials don't know yet whether the virus could spread as rapidly as SARS did or if it might kill as many people. SARS, which first jumped to humans from civet cats in China, hit more than 30 countries worldwide after spreading from Hong Kong.

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He added it was unclear how the virus spreads. Coronaviruses are typically spread in the air but Hartl said scientists were considering the possibility that the patients were infected directly by animals. He said there was no evidence yet of any human-to-human transmission.

"All possible avenues of infection are being explored right now," he said.
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"We don't know if this is going to turn into another SARS or if it will disappear into nothing," said Michael Osterholm, a flu expert at the University of Minnesota.

"You don't die from the common cold," he said. "This gives us reason to think it might be more like SARS," which killed about 10 percent of the people it infected.

A second ebola outbreak in Africa:
Ebola outbreak in DRC risks spreading to towns: WHO
staff/Yahoo News

Quote:An outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus in the Democratic Republic of Congo risks spreading to major towns if not brought under control soon after the death toll doubled within a week, the World Health Organisation warned on Thursday.

The number of people killed by the contagious virus for which there is no known treatment has now risen to 31, including five health workers. Ebola causes massive bleeding and kills up to 90 percent of its victims.

Quote:Some 16 people in neighboring Uganda died of the disease last month, though the WHO said the two epidemics were not connected.

The latest WHO figures show there are now 65 probable or suspected cases of Ebola in Congo, with 108 people under surveillance.

Quote:Congo's ramshackle capital is home to at least 9 million people

From the comments:
PappaSmurf:
Weren't the projections on this 72 hrs to 12 days to spread around the world once reaching a major metropolitan city anywhere in the world. They used to joke about nuking a major city just to ensure containment. This $#it is scary!!

Beep:
Actually it depends on the strain of the virus. The Zaire strain has a very high mortality rate. The Sudan strain is just above 50%. The Ivory Coast strain, there's only one case I'm aware of, and she recovered. The Bundibugyo strain has just above a 30% mortality rate. And the Reston strain doesn't affect humans, only other primates.

So it really does depend on the strain.


Art Seagren:
I saw a 300 person village die in 12 days -- with this virus 25 years ago -- believe this or not -- they did not give the people a burial they burned every thing to the ground - and sent a team of 4 men to shoot any dog that had gotten away.

No new news on that outbreak since September 10th.

The Lucky AC  Wrote:

Twistiburger  Wrote:

Was my first thought too....

NIH superbug claims 7th victim
“This kid probably got this infection because a patient who was a carrier [of the superbug] was on the same unit,” said Gallin.

New SARS-like virus detected in Middle East
Global health officials are closely monitoring a new respiratory virus related to SARS that is believed to have killed at least one person in Saudi Arabia and left a Qatari citizen in critical condition in London.

The germ is a coronavirus, from a family of viruses that cause the common cold as well as SARS, the severe acute respiratory syndrome that killed some 800 people, mostly in Asia, in a 2003 epidemic.

In the latest case, British officials alerted the World Health Organization on Saturday of the new virus in a man who transferred from Qatar to be treated in London. He had recently traveled to Saudi Arabia and is now being treated in an intensive care unit after suffering kidney failure.

WHO said virus samples from the patient are almost identical to those of a 60-year-old Saudi national who died earlier this year. The agency isn't currently recommending travel restrictions and said the source of infection remains unknown. Still, the situation has raised concerns ahead of next month's annual Hajj pilgrimage, which brings millions of people to Saudi Arabia from around the world.

Health officials don't know yet whether the virus could spread as rapidly as SARS did or if it might kill as many people. SARS, which first jumped to humans from civet cats in China, hit more than 30 countries worldwide after spreading from Hong Kong.

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He added it was unclear how the virus spreads. Coronaviruses are typically spread in the air but Hartl said scientists were considering the possibility that the patients were infected directly by animals. He said there was no evidence yet of any human-to-human transmission.

"All possible avenues of infection are being explored right now," he said.
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"We don't know if this is going to turn into another SARS or if it will disappear into nothing," said Michael Osterholm, a flu expert at the University of Minnesota.

"You don't die from the common cold," he said. "This gives us reason to think it might be more like SARS," which killed about 10 percent of the people it infected.

A second ebola outbreak in Africa:
Ebola outbreak in DRC risks spreading to towns: WHO
staff/Yahoo News

Quote:An outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus in the Democratic Republic of Congo risks spreading to major towns if not brought under control soon after the death toll doubled within a week, the World Health Organisation warned on Thursday.

The number of people killed by the contagious virus for which there is no known treatment has now risen to 31, including five health workers. Ebola causes massive bleeding and kills up to 90 percent of its victims.

Quote:Some 16 people in neighboring Uganda died of the disease last month, though the WHO said the two epidemics were not connected.

The latest WHO figures show there are now 65 probable or suspected cases of Ebola in Congo, with 108 people under surveillance.

Quote:Congo's ramshackle capital is home to at least 9 million people

From the comments:
PappaSmurf:
Weren't the projections on this 72 hrs to 12 days to spread around the world once reaching a major metropolitan city anywhere in the world. They used to joke about nuking a major city just to ensure containment. This $#it is scary!!

Beep:
Actually it depends on the strain of the virus. The Zaire strain has a very high mortality rate. The Sudan strain is just above 50%. The Ivory Coast strain, there's only one case I'm aware of, and she recovered. The Bundibugyo strain has just above a 30% mortality rate. And the Reston strain doesn't affect humans, only other primates.

So it really does depend on the strain.


Art Seagren:
I saw a 300 person village die in 12 days -- with this virus 25 years ago -- believe this or not -- they did not give the people a burial they burned every thing to the ground - and sent a team of 4 men to shoot any dog that had gotten away.

No new news on that outbreak since September 10th.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5933a1.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/o...deaths.htm

Seasonal flu...

EMP would do it.

The next concern for most would be freezing to death this winter, food and water.

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LoP Guest  Wrote:

WELL.... if you can't find a ridable cow... consider a goat.
If you have to walk, a pack goat might be handy.
A decent sized goat can carry about the amount of weight you'd carry in a back pack.
They eat most anything and survive on little.
There are a few problems.
Problem#1: THEY HATE WATER!!!!
Problem #2: Libs see them as sex objects.
Problem #3: Mexicans and Arabs see them as food objects.
Problem #4: Lady Gaga types see them as Gods to worship.

OK GOAT IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just realize, it will be like a quarantine if illness or disease. They DO want a quarantine because next would be mandatory vaccinations and I think most here realize what that means...next year will be mandatory chip and ID all because of health hazards....probably created or at least guided by men to this result...they do want to quarantine the cities or large population centers. Without a doubt.