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WHy do some people still believe the earths core is molten iron????
Truth
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RE: WHy do some people still believe the earths core is molten iron????
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Earth does not have a core "per se" the sun is the center. Receiver, transformer from the star that we spin next too. =P

When you spin a roulette wheel, where does gravity place the ball? That is this world's physics.
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Post: #32
RE: WHy do some people still believe the earths core is molten iron????
Triple geospheres: oxidic carapace: hydridic mantle: ultimetal core




Quote:In this paper, hydrogen is interpreted to be present copiously in the mantle in the form of high-pressure hydrides that behave as reduced, deformable fluids in contrast to the crust, which is oxidic and rigid. Plumes of metal hydrides ascend through the mantle buoyed by lower density than their hosts.

Reaching the depth/pressure range of hydride dissociation and oxidation in the upper mantle or lower crust, they dissociate or oxidize, releasing latent chemical energy. This is the zone where magmatism, earthquakes, volcanism, and replacement mineralization occur. Rock-forming minerals of densities less than mantle minerals are deposited; isostasy is triggered.

Thusly, hydride dissociation and oxidation above a steadily degassing inner geosphere originated the lithosphere and continue to maintain it. Concurrently, atmosphere and hydrosphere evolve from non-metal hydrides that effuse from the lithosphere. Hydrogen escapes into space, leaving elemental oxygen and nitrogen to dominate the atmosphere.

At core depths, below the fluid intermetals comprising the mantle, the liquid outer core and a solid inner core may be higher-pressure phases of mixed intermetals, or they may be a new substance, a super-compressed, ultimately dense material, the "ultimetal," we might say.

New Data on Metals in the Earth's Interior


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb...n29458972/
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Post: #33
RE: WHy do some people still believe the earths core is molten iron????
JBG  Wrote:
Triple geospheres: oxidic carapace: hydridic mantle: ultimetal core




Quote:In this paper, hydrogen is interpreted to be present copiously in the mantle in the form of high-pressure hydrides that behave as reduced, deformable fluids in contrast to the crust, which is oxidic and rigid. Plumes of metal hydrides ascend through the mantle buoyed by lower density than their hosts.

Reaching the depth/pressure range of hydride dissociation and oxidation in the upper mantle or lower crust, they dissociate or oxidize, releasing latent chemical energy. This is the zone where magmatism, earthquakes, volcanism, and replacement mineralization occur. Rock-forming minerals of densities less than mantle minerals are deposited; isostasy is triggered.

Thusly, hydride dissociation and oxidation above a steadily degassing inner geosphere originated the lithosphere and continue to maintain it. Concurrently, atmosphere and hydrosphere evolve from non-metal hydrides that effuse from the lithosphere. Hydrogen escapes into space, leaving elemental oxygen and nitrogen to dominate the atmosphere.

At core depths, below the fluid intermetals comprising the mantle, the liquid outer core and a solid inner core may be higher-pressure phases of mixed intermetals, or they may be a new substance, a super-compressed, ultimately dense material, the "ultimetal," we might say.

New Data on Metals in the Earth's Interior


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb...n29458972/

This is a "hypothetical", no proof to backup statement, and no means to "reproduce" the concept.. again shooting in the dark...chuckle
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Earth does not have a core "per se" the sun is the center. Receiver, transformer from the star that we spin next too. =P

When you spin a roulette wheel, where does gravity place the ball? That is this world's physics.

Dark energy passes through the earth from the Star, to the Sun / Center. Receives and turns it into light. And more.
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Post: #35
RE: WHy do some people still believe the earths core is molten iron????
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Earth does not have a core "per se" the sun is the center. Receiver, transformer from the star that we spin next too. =P

When you spin a roulette wheel, where does gravity place the ball? That is this world's physics.

chuckle

Thats not "gravity", thats centrifugal force we call "artificial gravity", it's the "inverse" of gravity by physic terms, whereupon gravity is a "push" rather then a pull...chuckle
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Post: #36
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Mother Earth is a female- you can't figure her out! Lmao
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Post: #37
RE: WHy do some people still believe the earths core is molten iron????
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Dark energy passes through the earth from the Star, to the Sun / Center. Receives and turns it into light. And more.

Jptdknpa

Dark energy?.. got "proof" that verifies that?.. they recently discovered that "dark matter" does not exist where it was supposed to exist (around the sun)... Thats a cool concept of dark matter.. but honestly? "It's there, but it is invisible, and "should" be detectable by slight aberrations of a gravity field? ...

However "beta particles?.. yep those bad boys go through the entire earth everyday, and everything on this planet..

Dark energy...Jptdknpa
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RE: WHy do some people still believe the earths core is molten iron????
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Dark energy passes through the earth from the Star, to the Sun / Center. Receives and turns it into light. And more.

Jptdknpa

Dark energy?.. got "proof" that verifies that?.. they recently discovered that "dark matter" does not exist where it was supposed to exist (around the sun)... Thats a cool concept of dark matter.. but honestly? "It's there, but it is invisible, and "should" be detectable by slight aberrations of a gravity field? ...

However "beta particles?.. yep those bad boys go through the entire earth everyday, and everything on this planet..

Dark energy...Jptdknpa

call it whatever you want. The sun turns it into light, and passes through the earth to the sun.
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Post: #39
RE: WHy do some people still believe the earths core is molten iron????
LoP Guest  Wrote:
JBG  Wrote:
Triple geospheres: oxidic carapace: hydridic mantle: ultimetal core




Quote:In this paper, hydrogen is interpreted to be present copiously in the mantle in the form of high-pressure hydrides that behave as reduced, deformable fluids in contrast to the crust, which is oxidic and rigid. Plumes of metal hydrides ascend through the mantle buoyed by lower density than their hosts.

Reaching the depth/pressure range of hydride dissociation and oxidation in the upper mantle or lower crust, they dissociate or oxidize, releasing latent chemical energy. This is the zone where magmatism, earthquakes, volcanism, and replacement mineralization occur. Rock-forming minerals of densities less than mantle minerals are deposited; isostasy is triggered.

Thusly, hydride dissociation and oxidation above a steadily degassing inner geosphere originated the lithosphere and continue to maintain it. Concurrently, atmosphere and hydrosphere evolve from non-metal hydrides that effuse from the lithosphere. Hydrogen escapes into space, leaving elemental oxygen and nitrogen to dominate the atmosphere.

At core depths, below the fluid intermetals comprising the mantle, the liquid outer core and a solid inner core may be higher-pressure phases of mixed intermetals, or they may be a new substance, a super-compressed, ultimately dense material, the "ultimetal," we might say.

New Data on Metals in the Earth's Interior


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb...n29458972/

This is a "hypothetical", no proof to backup statement, and no means to "reproduce" the concept.. again shooting in the dark...chuckle

And just what do you suppose the 'proof' for the current model is - hmmm?

At least this one has enormous explanatory power!
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RE: WHy do some people still believe the earths core is molten iron????
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call it whatever you want. The sun turns it into light, and passes through the earth to the sun.

Do you have verifiable (which means independently repeatable) results?.. something that has "physical proof" to back that up?... if not, it is a "hypothetical" a "fantasy" without grounds in reality..

This is my whole point about physics, scientists, and mathematicians.. they suffer from such an extreme case of MMD (mental myopia disorder) that they defend an indefensible position, they strive to bring down those with reason, and common sense, and do everything they can to remain in a comfortable seat of position, where they produce nothing, and live out a life of self servitude..

It is not about having good ideas, or bad ideas, it's about being able to "physically prove" these concepts, a road which is traveled very little nowadays, and looked upon with disdain as actual "work" to prove ones hypotheticals, to become theories, to eventually become "fact"..

The "HARDEST" road to travel, the one that takes the greatest sacrifice of one, is the one that leads to "physical proof"..... A theory or a hypothetical by itself, is nothing more then an opinion, and like all opinions, we all have at least one or two to offer..

I suppose I am saying it is not that I do not believe you, but you can offer noting in "physical proof" for another independent to reproduce to "verify" the concept itself..

Reality is the biggest b*tch of all, it demands a great deal of self sacrifice, and that rod, is traveled so very rarely anymore...
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Post: #41
RE: WHy do some people still believe the earths core is molten iron????
You've all overlooked that the pressure in the earth's core is huge. Things at high pressures behave differently than at low pressures. Iron is liquid at the core's temperature but at the core's pressure it is a solid. Look at a phase diagram. As for the curie point that is also probably dependent on pressure too. These scientiffic facts have been known for a very long time.

Did you know that hydrogen when subjected to enough pressure will exhibit metallic properties? Helium will not freeze unless it is brought to a higher pressure first. Diamond is understood as a metastable condition of carbon at sea level pressure. Lots of strange things happen to matter at high pressure.

Challenge your programming.
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Post: #42
RE: WHy do some people still believe the earths core is molten iron????
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And just what do you suppose the 'proof' for the current model is - hmmm?

At least this one has enormous explanatory power!

Enormous explanatory power?....JptdknpaJptdknpa

Oh man.. thats hardly a reason to "believe" in the explanation... No physical proof, in independently repeatable format..

Do you know what nearly all the worlds scientific community is nowadays? a cesspool of whining self entitled, egoistical, and self grandiose belief of omnipotent abilities "above" the serf below them...

They are politicians, more then scientists anymore...

And a politicians job?.. is to "convince you" they are right, that they hold the answer to your world, "without" so much as a physical proof to back it up...

We have strayed "FAR" from the road of innovations because of this..S977
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Post: #43
RE: WHy do some people still believe the earths core is molten iron????
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You've all overlooked that the pressure in the earth's core is huge. Things at high pressures behave differently than at low pressures. Iron is liquid at the core's temperature but at the core's pressure it is a solid. Look at a phase diagram. As for the curie point that is also probably dependent on pressure too. These scientiffic facts have been known for a very long time.

Did you know that hydrogen when subjected to enough pressure will exhibit metallic properties? Helium will not freeze unless it is brought to a higher pressure first. Diamond is understood as a metastable condition of carbon at sea level pressure. Lots of strange things happen to matter at high pressure.

No, you have overlooked the fact that it is still a "theory" with no grounding in physical facts as to the earths core itself, PLUS!...

The whole damn arrangement is based upon a gravitational "constant" to entropy (zero) being at the very center of the earth core, which breaks a few rules in the first place..

Plus this does not account for load distribution , different layers of materials (which is still subjective) and heat generated, which is based upon "sudden" compressions (just like a diesel engine), if the layers are more stable, there is no reason to believe the heat increases, but rather cools down due to load distributions, plus it is still an "ASSUMPTION" that the gravity field reaches all the way to entropy point...

Nobody can verify this, nobody can say "this is the way it is", because we have "no physical proof".. only hypotheticals, theories, and small laboratory examples, but nothing to "validate it"...

The theory then "has not" been realized.. putting it into the same category as all other hypotheticals and theories, a personal opinion with no validated evidence to verify the data presented.. it is NOT a fact..

REAL science is a b*tch, and takes no sides, only humanities egotism thinks otherwise..
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04-28-2012 01:39 PM

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Post: #44
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Why does everyone keep over looking things?

We are living in a solid hologram made with our minds, nothing is exactly real.

I [as a doctor] am recommending a round of psychedelic drugs for everyone.

Three cheers for rationality which makes us prisoners of our own minds and opinions.
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Post: #45
RE: WHy do some people still believe the earths core is molten iron????
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Gibbie  Wrote:
You've all overlooked that the pressure in the earth's core is huge. Things at high pressures behave differently than at low pressures. Iron is liquid at the core's temperature but at the core's pressure it is a solid. Look at a phase diagram. As for the curie point that is also probably dependent on pressure too. These scientiffic facts have been known for a very long time.

Did you know that hydrogen when subjected to enough pressure will exhibit metallic properties? Helium will not freeze unless it is brought to a higher pressure first. Diamond is understood as a metastable condition of carbon at sea level pressure. Lots of strange things happen to matter at high pressure.

No, you have overlooked the fact that it is still a "theory" with no grounding in physical facts as to the earths core itself, PLUS!...

The whole damn arrangement is based upon a gravitational "constant" to entropy (zero) being at the very center of the earth core, which breaks a few rules in the first place..

Plus this does not account for load distribution , different layers of materials (which is still subjective) and heat generated, which is based upon "sudden" compressions (just like a diesel engine), if the layers are more stable, there is no reason to believe the heat increases, but rather cools down due to load distributions, plus it is still an "ASSUMPTION" that the gravity field reaches all the way to entropy point...

Nobody can verify this, nobody can say "this is the way it is", because we have "no physical proof".. only hypotheticals, theories, and small laboratory examples, but nothing to "validate it"...

The theory then "has not" been realized.. putting it into the same category as all other hypotheticals and theories, a personal opinion with no validated evidence to verify the data presented.. it is NOT a fact..

REAL science is a b*tch, and takes no sides, only humanities egotism thinks otherwise..

It isn't a theory they've charted iron's phase diagram with diamond anvil cells, tetra headral anvil cells, and belt presses.

I'd trust Percy Bridgeman over some AC on this one.

The iron phase diagram is one of the most studied and well understood phase diagrams there is.

Challenge your programming.
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