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**LooneyBin**

Seems like he is telling the truth...

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**Old Whatshisname**

Good point.

The problem is that even many of the people who think the government is "doing too much" and "should be doing less" don't include their pet projects (whether it's home mortgage tax exemption, social security, "free" public schools, subsidized housing, military spending, etc.) as something the government is "doing too much" about.

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Entitlements:

According to the Census Bureau, 49% of Americans in the second quarter of 2011 lived in a household where at least one member received a government benefit. (The total population at the time was 305 million).

That’s up from 30% in the 1980s and 44.4% in the third quarter of 2008, a recent growth in part attributable to the bad economy of President Obama’s first term.

The Census Bureau broke the data down like this:

26.4% of U.S. households had someone enrolled in Medicaid (the health-care program for low-income Americans)
16.2% of households had at least one member receiving Social Security.
15.8% lived in a household receiving food stamps
14.9% had a member with Medicare benefits
4.5% of households received assistance with their rent
1.7% had a member receiving unemployment benefits.

Taxes:

Mr. Romney correctly noted that nearly half of Americans pay no federal income tax. Who are all these people? And how did we get here?

Here’s a quick answer. Roughly half of U.S. households that pay no federal income tax are exempted because of basic provisions such as limitations on tax for low-income earners, according to a 2011 study by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. The other half benefit from targeted breaks (known to tax geeks as “tax expenditures”), such as assistance for the working poor and for children in moderate-income families. Seniors also benefit from some of these targeted breaks.

To analyze which breaks are most important in moving people off the income-tax rolls, the TPC study arranged these tax expenditures into eight categories:

Elderly tax benefits (the extra standard deduction for the elderly, the exclusion of a portion of Social Security benefits, and the credit for the elderly);
Credits for children and the working poor (the child tax credit, the child and dependent care tax credit, and the Earned Income Tax Credit);
Exclusion of other cash transfers (such as welfare and disability payments);
Tax-exempt interest and some other deductions, such as for retirement savings;
Itemized deductions;
Education credits;
Other credits; and
Reduced rates on capital gains and dividends (zero rate on gains and dividends that would otherwise be taxed at 10% or 15%, 15% rate combined with credits).

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 84193 09-18-2012 08:12 PM

When was the last time the government wrote off 10 million worth of debt while you were getting a 200,000 a year paycheck? But hey... That f*cker getting 150.00 in food stamps per month is a lazy son of a b*tch.

**Doodie** · **Doodie** shill User ID: 120636 09-18-2012 08:15 PM **Posts: 7,641**

Republicans could pull all their kids out of public schools and pay for private schools.

stop calling the police to solve their problems

and stop enlisting in the military.

I mean if they really wanted to shrink the govt.

But I dont hear anyone campaigning on that.

chuckle

**Eclectric**

Yo_Momma Wrote:

Republicans could pull all their kids out of public schools and pay for private schools.

stop calling the police to solve their problems

and stop enlisting in the military.

I mean if they really wanted to shrink the govt.

But I dont hear anyone campaigning on that.

All Republicans are rich? That is a very interesting broad generalization you got going on there.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 119225 09-18-2012 08:20 PM

PresidentFreeStuff Wrote:

Seems like he is telling the truth...

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If you really have to ask.....

**Doodie** · **Doodie** shill User ID: 120636 09-18-2012 08:20 PM **Posts: 7,641**

Eclectric Wrote:

Yo_Momma Wrote:
Republicans could pull all their kids out of public schools and pay for private schools.

stop calling the police to solve their problems

and stop enlisting in the military.

I mean if they really wanted to shrink the govt.

But I dont hear anyone campaigning on that.

All Republicans are rich? That is a very interesting broad generalization you got going on there.

they like to pretend they are, while using the same services as the Democrats.

chuckle

**AMPAMPERSAND**

It's a long held Republican talking point that 50% pay no income tax. But it's another half truth, while the bottom 50% get most or all of their income tax returned at the end of the year, most pay 3-4 times what they pay in income tax for social security and Medicaid/ Medicare.etc. but they use this money exactly the same as they use income tax, so really it is an income tax, and it means the bottom 50% are the ones paying the most while corporations pay very little, but cry the loudest.
Historically (before the federal reserve) income could only be earned by these corporations and taxed, earnings (wages) where not taxed federally. And that is how we became/are becoming wards (slaves) of the state.

**Ka$h Killa** lop guest User ID: 110725 09-18-2012 08:22 PM

I dont think private businesses should exist. Everything should be done publically (not nessecaryily government) and that way there would be no need for buying and selling and no need for a currency

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67754 09-18-2012 08:25 PM

The problem is he said he is not concerned about them...that includes the people he put out of work to join the growing ranks of the people dependent on the government to supply them with food and housing that they used to be able to afford on their own...

**WhenWillitEnd**

I dislike how only the size of the federal government is argued about...

The federal government should be as small as possible to let the state and local governments decide how many social services to have and how to raise revenue..

DUH

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 60111 09-18-2012 08:25 PM

Lack of compassion.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 118858 09-18-2012 08:25 PM

Everyone pays a sales tax when they buy something. Even the bums on the street are paying a tax when they go to buy their booze.

**Bond, James Bond** Licensed to kill User ID: 007 09-18-2012 08:28 PM

LeftWing Terrorist Wrote:

I dont think private businesses should exist. Everything should be done publically (not nessecaryily government) and that way there would be no need for buying and selling and no need for a currency

OMG simply astounding that people have not learned from history and still spout this crap.