Post: #1

I hear the comment "science has proved there is no God" Dont ever be bullied by such a statement. Science is completely incapable of proving such a thing. Scientists can only draw conclusions on what they find, not on what they can't find.

For example can science prove there are no unicorns? Absolutely not. How could science ever prove that unicorns dont exist? All science can do is say that scientists may have been looking for unicorns for a long time and never found any. They might therefore conclude that no one is justified in believing that unicorns exist. They might show how certain facts considered to be evidence for unicorns in the past can be explained adequately by other things. They may use occams razor to favor a simpler explanation for the facts than that unicorns exist. But scientists can never prove unicorns themselves dont exist.

Since science by its very nature is never capable of proving the non existence of anything one can never accurately claim that science has proven God doesnt exist. Thats a misuse of the discipline. Such a claim would require omniscience. The only way one can say a thing does not exist is not by using the inductive method but by using a deductive method by showing that theres something about the concept itself that is contradictory.

I can confidently say for sure that no square circles exist. Why? Not because I've searched the entire universe to make sure that there arent any square circles hiding behind a star somewhere. No I don't need to search the world to answer that question.

The concept of square circles entails a contradictory notion and therefore cant be real. A thing cannot be a square and be circular(not a square)at the same time. A thing cannot be a circle and squared(not a circle)at the same time. Therefore square circles cannot exist. The laws of rationality exclude the possibility of their existence.

This means that all inductive knowledge is contingent. One cannot know anything inductively with absolute certainty. The inductive method gives us knowledge that is only probably true. Science cannot be certain about anything in an absolute sense. It can provide a high degree of confidence based on evidence that strongly justifies scientific conclusions but its method never allows certainty.

The way many try to show God doesnt exist is simply by asserting it but thats not proof. It isnt even evidence. Scientists sometimes get away with this by requiring that scientific law or natural law must explain everything. If it cant explain a supernatural act or a supernatural being then neither can exist. This is cheating though.

Scientists havent proven God doesnt exist they have merely assumed it in many cases. They have ramed this down down the societies throat and then operated from that point of view. They act as if theyve really said something profound when all they have done is given you their opinion.

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Post: #2

Since scientists are rarely young virginal females, unicorns will probably not end up in a photo.

Post: #3

I concur.

Post: #4

WTF this is just another religion trolling thread. This place used to be better than this before the likes of this OP showed up.

Post: #5

LoP Guest  Wrote:

WTF this is just another religion trolling thread. This place used to be better than this before the likes of this OP showed up.

So not having the same opinion or belief as you is now trolling?

Post: #6

LoP Guest  Wrote:

WTF this is just another religion trolling thread. This place used to be better than this before the likes of this OP showed up.

lol...idiot...

Post: #7

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

WTF this is just another religion trolling thread. This place used to be better than this before the likes of this OP showed up.

So not having the same opinion or belief as you is now trolling?

Been that way a while now it seems ....

Post: #8

LoP Guest  Wrote:

WTF this is just another religion trolling thread. This place used to be better than this before the likes of this OP showed up.

It's not a trolling thread when what he says is true.

Post: #9

~*~sang~froid~*~  Wrote:

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

WTF this is just another religion trolling thread. This place used to be better than this before the likes of this OP showed up.

So not having the same opinion or belief as you is now trolling?

Been that way a while now it seems ....

Its a normal reaction when one cant put a logical argument together.

Post: #10

LOL, you're just making this shit up. Sure a few scientists have asserted that there is no God, but it's not due to any proof. They came to that conclusion due to the lack of evidence for a god.

Post: #11

LoP Guest  Wrote:

LOL, you're just making this shit up. Sure a few scientists have asserted that there is no God, but it's not due to any proof. They came to that conclusion due to the lack of evidence for a god.

That has always struck me as completely absurd. There is a universe of evidence that God exists. The Intelligence in the design of creation is overwhelming evidence.

Post: #12

LoP Guest  Wrote:

LOL, you're just making this shit up. Sure a few scientists have asserted that there is no God, but it's not due to any proof. They came to that conclusion due to the lack of evidence for a god.

Just like the lack of evidence that the earth was round and people thought it was flat.

Post: #13

So the axiom, you can never prove a negative.

Post: #14

Hamsterfist  Wrote:

So the axiom, you can never prove a negative.

or a positive

Post: #15

Hamsterfist  Wrote:

So the axiom, you can never prove a negative.

Neither a negative claim or a positive claim is ever absolutely certain. For instance someone who believes that they have seen santa may have been hallucinating.