Post: #46

J  Wrote:

Wikipedia will tell you they are updated with current references. If you believe you have a source which the 9th edition Britannica (also available online) sourced then feel free to edit Wikipedia.


There are no similarities between Jesus and AmunRa or any other previous deities. These gnostic claims have been looked at each here.

"Wikipedia" is jew owned and managed.

"HEY-ZEUS" is a fictional entity, created by a variety of sects brought together by Constantine's order. The entire "Bible" is a book of brainwashing to control the masses through fear and supposed supremacy; AS IF THE CREATOR would favor one part of Creation over another.

Post: #47

LoP Guest  Wrote:

J  Wrote:

Wikipedia will tell you they are updated with current references. If you believe you have a source which the 9th edition Britannica (also available online) sourced then feel free to edit Wikipedia.


There are no similarities between Jesus and AmunRa or any other previous deities. These gnostic claims have been looked at each here.

"Wikipedia" is jew owned and managed.

"HEY-ZEUS" is a fictional entity, created by a variety of sects brought together by Constantine's order. The entire "Bible" is a book of brainwashing to control the masses through fear and supposed supremacy; AS IF THE CREATOR would favor one part of Creation over another.

No Wikipedia is not Jewish. Neither the owners are Jewish nor does the editing favor the Jewish. Examples are to read the entries for the Inquisition where they downplay it as a bunch of heretics that got what they deserved. Another is the KKK, where they claim this was founded by the Protestants. All attempts to edit this and even the discussion pages are cleansed of anything to do with Freemasonry. Same with the Bolshevik Revolution. So i would conclude they are NWO masonic.

You claim to believe in the Creator yet deny Jesus, how very masonic of You. All faiths are equal according to you and FM.

Jesus not Zeus

Post: #48

David  Wrote:

You have not even attempted to explain why a reading of "Ameyn" in these passages as the name of an Egytpian god makes more sense than the excepted interpretation of "so be it" or "verily".

Apparently, you are a Masonic/Theosophical esotericist liek your father or gandfather and this is one of your "idee fixes".

So there is no reasoning with you.

Skippy's not the brightest. His entire premise seems to be "I found it in Google Books, so it must be true!" He doesn't bother to check the validity of the author or source.

Post: #49

http://www.revelations.org.za/Q&A5.htm

"Q: "Is Amen' the name of a pagan idol? Should we refrain from using this word in our prayers and in worship?"

Answer:

Let us consider this word on the following levels:
- Its pagan connotations
- Its use and meaning in Hebrew
- Its use in Christianity and Judaism
- Should we use it or not?

' Amen' was one of the main deities in Egyptian mythology, the worship of which spread to Greece, Syria and surroundings.

According to 'The Concise Columbia Encyclopedia', Columbia University Press. Copyright © 1991 by Columbia University Press:

Amon (â´men, ä´-) or Ammon (à´men) or Amen (ä´mèn), ancient Egyptian deity. Originally the chief god of Thebes, Amon grew increasingly important in Egypt, and eventually, as Amon Ra, he was identified with RA as the supreme deity. He was also identified with the Greek ZEUS (the Roman JUPITER). (Ed.: Jupiter or 'Zues-Pater' - 'Zeus our father').

The Official Internet Site of The Egyptian Ministry of Tourism
has the following Web Pages with information about Amen, the primeval idol:
Amen (Amon) and Amen-Ra, King of the Gods, and the Triad of Thebes
Amen worship
Amen of Thebes
Forms of Amen-Ra


Here are some excerpts from these informative pages.
"Amen was the personification of the hidden and unknown creative power which was associated with the primeval abyss, gods in the creation of the world, and all that is in it. The word or root amen, certainly means "what is hidden," "what is not seen," "what cannot be seen," and the like, and this fact is proved by scores of examples which may be collected from texts of all periods. In hymns to Amen we often read that he is "hidden to his children, "and "hidden to gods and men" ... Now, not only is the god himself said to be "hidden," but his name also is "hidden," and his form, or similitude, is said to be "unknown;" these statements show that "hidden," when applied to Amen, the great god, has reference to something more than the "sun which has disappeared below the horizon," and that it indicates the god who cannot be seen with the mortal eyes, and who is invisible, as well as inscrutable, to gods as well as men."

Amen, his wife, Mut, and their son, Khonsu, represented the Theban Triad, the sacred family of Thebes. Amen was the "King of the gods" during the period of the New Kingdom in Egypt 1550-1070 B.C.E. when Thebes was the capitol of Egypt. (refer http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/EGYPT/NEW.HTM
http://www.civilisations.ca/membrs/civil...rga2e.html

It is during this period that the Israelites were slaves in Egypt, building the fortifications and lavish statues and temples of Egypt. During their 400 years of slavery, they lost their patriarchal Yahwistic religion as they fell into Egyptian paganism. Their epic exodus required a 40 year 'cleansing' period in the Wilderness, before they could enter the 'Promised Land of Israel'.

If during this exodus they could build a golden calf idol, would it be far-fetched to surmise that they also carried the blemishes of Amen-worship with them into the future - a seed which may not have been uprooted to this day?

Which brings us to our 2nd point of consideration: The word 'amen' is popularly used in Hebrew liturgy and Jewish worship.

True, the root-letters a-m-n hold the following connotations in modern Hebrew:
educate, train, true, trustworthy, confirm, confidence, faithfulness, treaty.

Thirdly, its use in modern day Judaism and Christianity:

The meaning for the word 'amen' is given as "so be it", "trustworthy"

Knowing the pagan idol worship connotations of this word, it does raise concern when one hears those phrases which are so popularly used in Christian prayer:
"We ask this in Thy Name, Amen".
"We praise Thy Name, Amen."
"We ask this in the Name which is above every Name, Amen".
"Praise the Lord" - with the communal response: "Amen".
These above applications surely can pass for directly addressing someone named 'Amen'! It should surely be conspicuous to the alert worshipper of the One True God of Israel!

Similar usage is also common in Jewish worship liturgy.

Should we use it in prayer and worship?

The position assumed in all the Restorative Truths proclaimed by BIBLE REVELATIONS, is to avoid extremism. This position is also maintained in our study on the use of 'God or Elohim' and the use of the various forms of The Sacred Name.

Like with all other considerations in the process of the Restoration of the Original True Hebraic Faith though, the question remains: "What does the Almighty expect from us?" Our intentions may be pure, but why persist in clinging to habits and traditions which have spurious origins or connotations? Do we really need this word to express our convictions and praises?

It also is curious, that this almost mystical word, anciently referred to the "hidden god" - and it would surely not be far-fetched to surmise that perhaps Satan has managed to hide himself as the object of worship, to unsuspecting believer to this day?

Could this realization and avoidance of such spurious terms lead us further from the Truth or closer to it?

Is this not after all the purpose of true and pure worship, that we become aware of the traits and methods of the Deceiver and refine and purify our worship as far as is humanly possible? What are we defending by hedging against doubtful practices? There are, after all, 'pure' words like "HalleluYAH", or where necessary, the Sacred Name itself, which can replace this questionable praise word 'Amen',

Ex. 23:13:"...and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of your mouth."

Hosea 2:17,19 "I (YHVH) will take the names of the Baals (lords) off her (His Bride's) lips".

Post: #50

The name of Amen is hidden in the mane of the lion.

Post: #51

LoP Guest  Wrote:

The name of Amen is hidden in the mane of the lion.

Not the lion head at the Denver airport with all the penises I hope.









Well that fell flat it was a horse....


Next!

Post: #52

David  Wrote:

Skippy  Wrote:

David  Wrote:

It is from "Ameyn" -- still used in Jewish prayers.

Are the Jews praying to a pagan god, too, Skippy?

Careful, now.

No bullshit.

'Cause I just might have been to temple a few times.

I know.

Strange for an anti-Skippite, huh?

This isn't my opinion. This was taken from the 1890 Encyclopedia Brittanica. It says that Amen was considered to be the one true God, the creator of beings, the Alpha and Omega. It says the Greeks referred to him as Zeus. All modern understandings of the word "Amen" have been falsified to lead you away from the original truth.

You curiously avoided answering the question.

Are the Jews praying to an Egytian god as well?

I'll answer this with a question. Was Israel and Judah uprooted and scattered to the four winds for obedience?

Post: #53

David  Wrote:

Skippy  Wrote:

David  Wrote:

You curiously avoided answering the question.

Are the Jews praying to an Egytian god as well?

Yes, but like the Christians, they most likely don't know it. The "Jews" or Hebrews were the slaves of the Egyptians. This all goes back to Egypt and before. Why do you think our country's monument is an Obelisk? Why is the pyramid on our money? Why is the Statue of Liberty a monument honoring Isis?

Well, you fascinate me.

When I first read your posts I thought you were "tribe".

If you are, you are some sort of strange self-hating tribalist.

Go ahead and carry on then.

But I disagree.

"Ameyn" means "so be it" in Hebrew.

Thats because you are a judgmental asswipe. Its what haters do.

Post: #54

Pi  Wrote:

David  Wrote:

You have not even attempted to explain why a reading of "Ameyn" in these passages as the name of an Egytpian god makes more sense than the excepted interpretation of "so be it" or "verily".

Apparently, you are a Masonic/Theosophical esotericist liek your father or gandfather and this is one of your "idee fixes".

So there is no reasoning with you.

Skippy's not the brightest. His entire premise seems to be "I found it in Google Books, so it must be true!" He doesn't bother to check the validity of the author or source.

And you hide to say this because you are a quivering vagina.

Post: #55

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Post: #56

ButtonsArentToys  Wrote:

David  Wrote:

The tribe feeds us our own esoteric traditions to further debase us goyim.

Skippy are you really a New Ager or a wolf in sheep's clothing?

Are the Jews praying to Khum as well when they say, "Ameyn" at the end of their prayers?

damn you are a bully aren't you?

just read a bit! The answers are pretty much right there

why provoke the messenger?

That's part of the programming.


I'm still waiting for the Humor Bot 5000 to be released.





*sarcasm..... duh!*

Post: #57

ButtonsArentToys  Wrote:

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Sorry. :)

Post: #58

Pi  Wrote:

David  Wrote:

You have not even attempted to explain why a reading of "Ameyn" in these passages as the name of an Egytpian god makes more sense than the excepted interpretation of "so be it" or "verily".

Apparently, you are a Masonic/Theosophical esotericist liek your father or gandfather and this is one of your "idee fixes".

So there is no reasoning with you.

Skippy's not the brightest. His entire premise seems to be "I found it in Google Books, so it must be true!" He doesn't bother to check the validity of the author or source.

some nice bullying going on here
wow
Just because it's in Google Books doesn't make it incorrect either.

If one were to remember the source of the "other sources" and how that particular "source" has manipulated history for roughly 2k years, one might be skeptical of such material.
To make it simple to understand, Rome and its minions and consequently most everything in Christianity has plagiarized the stories of Antiquity - as they were plagiarized as well.

Trouble is that this idea conflicts with the "faith" of many, so the word fight escalates very quickly to name calling and "proving" with irrelevant documentation.

"Skippy" may be a number of things but I doubt that "Skippy" is an idiot.

Post: #59

They mean things in different languages and societies...

For instance:
In America, the word 'Fanny' is typically defined as a 'butt'
In Australia, the word 'Fanny' is defined as a 'pussy'

Language is most effective if people stick to the original definitions, for example, today the word 'demon' is defined in the mind and in most dictionaries as "An evil spirit or devil", and associate it with superstition, even if I use the word daemon, most people will still associate it with demon, in fact they are the same word and originally meant the same thing: "any background process", so in fact, any corporate policy is a daemon, any computer program, any law of nature, process within psychology ect..."

Words, words, words...

Post: #60

I will never understand this obsession with God having to have one name in any language and across time.
People have languages and words, God is greater than that.
If you address Him as Zeus, and in your heart/mind you are sincere in wanting to talk to the Creator, do you really think he will say
"oops, sorry, wrong name'?