News

**Powhatan**

An earlier thread stated that good people will receive eternal rewards regardless of whether they are religious or not. The problem with that assertion is that there isn't universal agreement on what constitutes "good'. You may consider yourself a good person, but if you eat meat, there are religious and non-religious groups out there that consider you evil. Is killing an enemy in defense of your country good? Same problem. How about killing deformed babies? There are political ideologies and primitive cultures that believe it's wrong not to kill them.
Good and bad change with culture religion and ideology, so how can anyone's notion of what's good be more valid than someone else's? People have strong feelings about the acceptability of everything from extra-marital sex to pesticide use.
So who gets to define what is good with respect to eternal rewards?

~~I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ~~

Powhatan Wrote:

An earlier thread stated that good people will receive eternal rewards regardless of whether they are religious or not. The problem with that assertion is that there isn't universal agreement on what constitutes "good'. You may consider yourself a good person, but if you eat meat, there are religious and non-religious groups out there that consider you evil. Is killing an enemy in defense of your country good? Same problem. How about killing deformed babies? There are political ideologies and primitive cultures that believe it's wrong not to kill them.
Good and bad change with culture religion and ideology, so how can anyone's notion of what's good be more valid than someone else's? People have strong feelings about the acceptability of everything from extra-marital sex to pesticide use.
So who gets to define what is good with respect to eternal rewards?

good and bad or right and wrong are subjective

**smerve**

Powhatan Wrote:

An earlier thread stated that good people will receive eternal rewards regardless of whether they are religious or not. The problem with that assertion is that there isn't universal agreement on what constitutes "good'. You may consider yourself a good person, but if you eat meat, there are religious and non-religious groups out there that consider you evil. Is killing an enemy in defense of your country good? Same problem. How about killing deformed babies? There are political ideologies and primitive cultures that believe it's wrong not to kill them.
Good and bad change with culture religion and ideology, so how can anyone's notion of what's good be more valid than someone else's? People have strong feelings about the acceptability of everything from extra-marital sex to pesticide use.
So who gets to define what is good with respect to eternal rewards?

There isn't universal agreement that there are eternal rewards.

**Full Circle**

This is where that "pagan" phrase comes to mind and seems apropos:

"Do no harm, is the whole of the Law".

But you ask a good question op. Jhikpghf

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 101828 06-12-2012 02:38 AM

i keep on seeing signs in town; that said life is good
according to the bible; it says no man is good
so im confused now lol

or is that; that explains the 3 different versions of earth lol
one version is good, one is bad, one is both lol

**Nolo** · **Nolo** pneumanaut User ID: 82245 06-12-2012 02:45 AM **Posts: 1,745**

Quote:Do no harm

Without the ability to know the future, that's a tuff one.

If harm is a consequence of your actions, does it matter if you are ignorant of what the eventual results will be? If harm is done, does ignorance equal innocence?
Or is just knowing you might be inadvertently setting in motion eventual harm, remove that innocence, and make you continually culpable?

And as said earlier, one person's harm is another's pleasure, and the opposite.

Only one Being knows the future...so it would stand to reason to place your feet as close to the Plan as possible...

**chookaKahn**

LoP Guest Wrote:

i keep on seeing signs in town; that said life is good
according to the bible; it says no man is good
so im confused now lol

or is that; that explains the 3 different versions of earth lol
one version is good, one is bad, one is both lol

it just is.

“There isn't a way things should be. There's just what happens, and what we do.”
― Terry Pratchett, A Hat Full of Sky

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 101797 06-12-2012 02:50 AM

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:

[quote='Powhatan' pid='3551772' dateline='1339460867']

good and bad or right and wrong are subjective

Exposed by Saxon777

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Renouce-...#pid304349

**Powhatan**

smerve Wrote:

Powhatan Wrote:
An earlier thread stated that good people will receive eternal rewards regardless of whether they are religious or not. The problem with that assertion is that there isn't universal agreement on what constitutes "good'. You may consider yourself a good person, but if you eat meat, there are religious and non-religious groups out there that consider you evil. Is killing an enemy in defense of your country good? Same problem. How about killing deformed babies? There are political ideologies and primitive cultures that believe it's wrong not to kill them.
Good and bad change with culture religion and ideology, so how can anyone's notion of what's good be more valid than someone else's? People have strong feelings about the acceptability of everything from extra-marital sex to pesticide use.
So who gets to define what is good with respect to eternal rewards?

There isn't universal agreement that there are eternal rewards.

That raises another dilemma. If divine justice and the afterlife don't exist [including karma and reincarnation] than acting in one's self interest is the only thing that makes sense. If the good and the bad both have nothing but dreamless sleep to look forward to, much of what we call good is just a waste of time and energy, when we should be pursuing pleasure while we still can. Everything else is pointless, including acts of compassion. You wouldn't carry the memories of your good deeds with you after death, and the people you helped won't remember you after they die.

**Enaid**

We are all spirits (something) in a meat suit. We are all learning. Some are further along in their lessons than others. Still - we are all imperfect.

I do believe in the concept of karma.

But also have to ask - do we not learn from negatives? When someone hurts you or does you wrong - you can take that negative and make it a learning opportunity, of sorts.

**chookaKahn**

Powhatan Wrote:

smerve Wrote:
Powhatan Wrote:
An earlier thread stated that good people will receive eternal rewards regardless of whether they are religious or not. The problem with that assertion is that there isn't universal agreement on what constitutes "good'. You may consider yourself a good person, but if you eat meat, there are religious and non-religious groups out there that consider you evil. Is killing an enemy in defense of your country good? Same problem. How about killing deformed babies? There are political ideologies and primitive cultures that believe it's wrong not to kill them.
Good and bad change with culture religion and ideology, so how can anyone's notion of what's good be more valid than someone else's? People have strong feelings about the acceptability of everything from extra-marital sex to pesticide use.
So who gets to define what is good with respect to eternal rewards?

There isn't universal agreement that there are eternal rewards.
That raises another dilemma. If divine justice and the afterlife don't exist [including karma and reincarnation] than acting in one's self interest is the only thing that makes sense. If the good and the bad both have nothing but dreamless sleep to look forward to, much of what we call good is just a waste of time and energy, when we should be pursuing pleasure while we still can. Everything else is pointless, including acts of compassion. You wouldn't carry the memories of your good deeds with you after death, and the people you helped won't remember you after they die.

Nihilism has its appeal, but to many, empathy is not optional- what happens after I cark it remains irrelevant to how I treat others here & now.

**molson**

Hell, i'm pretty good.

chuckle

**Enaid**

Nolo Wrote:

Quote:Do no harm

Without the ability to know the future, that's a tuff one.

If harm is a consequence of your actions, does it matter if you are ignorant of what the eventual results will be? If harm is done, does ignorance equal innocence?
Or is just knowing you might be inadvertently setting in motion eventual harm, remove that innocence, and make you continually culpable?

And as said earlier, one person's harm is another's pleasure, and the opposite.

Only one Being knows the future...so it would stand to reason to place your feet as close to the Plan as possible...

I've thought this one over.
I'm a huge believer than intent plays an important role.
Also - did the person stop to consider how their actions would affect others.

(Obviously- I don't know the answers. These are just things I feel.)

**Enaid**

molson Wrote:

Hell, i'm pretty good.

To quote Mae West -- "When I'm good, I'm very good. But when I'm bad, I'm better. "

**molson**

Enaid Wrote:

molson Wrote:
Hell, i'm pretty good.

To quote Mae West -- "When I'm good, I'm very good. But when I'm bad, I'm better. "

Yeah, and she was pretty naughty. chuckle