here is one list of communes

http://directory.ic.org/iclist/

LoP Guest  Wrote:

here is one list of communes

http://directory.ic.org/iclist/

and what part of the word "forming" do you not understand?

Elizabeth  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

what i said was that there are benefits to certain aspects of what is called socialism and that we should not just throw the baby out with the bathwater because of how we've allowed things to be defined.

food, shelter and power, things everyone needs, could easily be part of a common collective expense. but because peeps are programmed to believe that anything along those lines is socialism/communism it's dismissed without any imaginative consideration.

taking certain goods, the "basic needs items", out of the capitalist market and making them part of a collective social empowerment system would not make us communists. it would work to un-enslave us from certain families who run the planet by locking up the food and oil until we pay them for it.

And how would such things be paid for? Who would provide them?

If you automatically require payment through taxes and such. What about those that do not work or contribute?

I would really like some answers to these things.

I cannot seem to grasp these concepts that you people have, so please explain them to me.

If those things are free to people. What would keep many from never turning off lights or conserving energy?

If food was free... What would prevent people from eating like it was an all you can eat buffet?

Just curious?

Not to mention... Who would grow this food? Who will work at the refineries? To provide a free product, wouldnt the production of it also have to be cost free? Who would do the work to provide such things for nothing?

I'd live in a moneyless collective village...not a city.

But see the problem is you are still relying on an infrastructure. What happens if the water supply dries up? What happens if a major geological event occurs? Not trying to knock, I appreciate the intent behind your efforts, but if we ever want to move past this society with it's built in pyramid structure just ripe for abusing, then we need to learn from the mistakes of the past.

To me, the biggest mistake that we have all made in this modern age, is reliance on infrastructure. Without the big oil infrastructure you can't go anywhere, goods are not shipped to the stores etc. So having a centralized community is one way to solve part of the conundrum, you can move away from fossil fuels entirely if you are creative.

But that still leaves a vulnerable water/power/sewer infrastructure that can either be sabotaged or leveraged against the community if one so desires. So, what must be done is give people total self sufficiency, either through new technology (preferable to those used to modern convenience) or through rustic means of living off the land.

If we could get past the greed and let out all of the wonderful developments that have been suppressed over the years, we could basically live in a anti-gravity vehicle that is also our home. A spaceship. The key is that it is self reliant, it can pull water from vapor in the air, it can power itself either through solar or other even more advanced energy tech.

Or you could just teach people how to farm, use herbs and natural remedies, and how to find and purify water naturally. I think that at least would be a start. Give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for the rest of his life.

Wow, free shit, no money needed? Hell yeah, I'd be all over THAT, screw working to get money for stuff.

BTW, who's gonna pick up the tab for all this?

There's no "tab" because there's no money. I know it's hard to wrap our brainwashed minds around the concept but you might want to give it a try.

Forbidden Truth  Wrote:

There's no "tab" because there's no money. I know it's hard to wrap our brainwashed minds around the concept but you might want to give it a try.

That sounds like theft, stealing, taking something without compensating those that did all the work to produce what you took.

Without money, you would still have to keep some sort of ledger, a balance sheet, so that nobody takes more than what they are worth, no more than what they themselves have produced and contributed. You can't TAKE more than what's being produced, than what's available.

So, what's to replace money? If I break my back toiling day and night growing a shit load of apples, you ain't gonna touch them until you break your back for me in exchange. Money, beans, gold, you must trade to me something I need or desire if you want any of my apples. That's why money works so well, you don't have to haul around a truck load of stuff I might be interested to trade apples for. Money is so much more convenient.

I'm no slave, my apples, my labor, my life, ain't free you must understand. I don't think anyone likes to work for free.

Oh, and this free energy idea is craziness. If energy were to be free, it would be the end of you all. Seriously, if energy was free, could you image the WMD some fool could build? Don't wish for that!