feverpitch  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

while i don't believe in a forced society., i think it's foolish to dismiss the benefits of certain aspects of "socialism" and labeling them as communist=bad bad bad.

we need to modify our language around such things if we ever hope to evolve past our sticking points.

That's what George Orwell called Newspeak. How timely and relevant.

what orwell described and what i am suggesting are 180 degrees apart.

Marxist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the road to communism.

Ka$hKilla  Wrote:

The Evil AC  Wrote:

You are not going to be successful at anything other than irritating the piss out of everyone here.
Give it about 20-30 more years of living and then you might have a clue on what works and what doesn't.
It's been said before and bears repeating again...the only reason you hate money is because YOU DON'T HAVE ANY.
And you are a vandal and thief to boot!
If someone handed you a million dollar bank account you'd have so much bling and driving around looking all cool in your fancy wheels and living it up so quick and you'd shut up real quick about the evils of money and be struttin' around like all the other playas.

i think if somebody gave me a million id get alot of tents or temporary buildings and build this moneyless city i want to

Which will fail because you cannot get any land with an allodial title (i.e. there cannot be any tax lien on it) so you would require money to be able to keep your land.

Look at that, I just saved you a ton of time and money!

The Evil AC  Wrote:

You are not going to be successful at anything other than irritating the piss out of everyone here.
Give it about 20-30 more years of living and then you might have a clue on what works and what doesn't.
It's been said before and bears repeating again...the only reason you hate money is because YOU DON'T HAVE ANY.
And you are a vandal and thief to boot!
If someone handed you a million dollar bank account you'd have so much bling and driving around looking all cool in your fancy wheels and living it up so quick and you'd shut up real quick about the evils of money and be struttin' around like all the other playas.

i think if somebody gave me a million id get alot of tents or temporary buildings and build this moneyless city i want to

Mike  Wrote:

Ka$hKilla  Wrote:

i think if somebody gave me a million id get alot of tents or temporary buildings and build this moneyless city i want to

Which will fail because you cannot get any land with an allodial title (i.e. there cannot be any tax lien on it) so you would require money to be able to keep your land.

Look at that, I just saved you a ton of time and money!

Not unless you find some very rural land an set up there without buying it, which is what i planned to do, i just have to find a remote enough spot to do it in

Elizabeth  Wrote:

Jackinthebox  Wrote:

I don't see why not. As long as I still had my own personal rights. You could have a completely Constitutional yet moneyless barter society right here in America without being considered communist, or even socialist.

But see if you have followed Kash's other threads... He has this dream of collective living, where people are forced to put in, in order to receive the handouts from those that run the collectives.

Which is communist/socialist

Yeah, I don't agree with that, Communism I mean. Basically that's what we already have today. A Federal Reserve Collective, where a few powerful people set the "value" of everything. Obviously that system does not work.

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Elizabeth  Wrote:

But see if you have followed Kash's other threads... He has this dream of collective living, where people are forced to put in, in order to receive the handouts from those that run the collectives.

Which is communist/socialist

while i don't believe in a forced society., i think it's foolish to dismiss the benefits of certain aspects of "socialism" and labeling them as communist=bad bad bad.

we need to modify our language around such things if we ever hope to evolve past our sticking points.

Marxist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the road to communism.

Ka$hKilla  Wrote:

Mike  Wrote:

Which will fail because you cannot get any land with an allodial title (i.e. there cannot be any tax lien on it) so you would require money to be able to keep your land.

Look at that, I just saved you a ton of time and money!

Not unless you find some very rural land an set up there without buying it, which is what i planned to do, i just have to find a remote enough spot to do it in

So it would either be on private property and you would be more or less milking off somebody else without their knowledge until they found you and trespassed you off their property possibly with force. Or you would be doing so on government owned land which would last until they found you and you would be forcibly removed and likely charged with a bunch of bullshit to deter you from trying to live like that again in the future.

Either way, you've not fabricated anything more than a temporary moneyless society - likely a VERY temporary society.

LoP Guest  Wrote:

feverpitch  Wrote:

That's what George Orwell called Newspeak. How timely and relevant.

what orwell described and what i am suggesting are 180 degrees apart.

I don't think so, but that's ok.

Mike  Wrote:

Ka$hKilla  Wrote:

Not unless you find some very rural land an set up there without buying it, which is what i planned to do, i just have to find a remote enough spot to do it in

So it would either be on private property and you would be more or less milking off somebody else without their knowledge until they found you and trespassed you off their property possibly with force. Or you would be doing so on government owned land which would last until they found you and you would be forcibly removed and likely charged with a bunch of bullshit to deter you from trying to live like that again in the future.

Either way, you've not fabricated anything more than a temporary moneyless society - likely a VERY temporary society.

I think it would be hard for one person to get rid of 100+ people, especially if they had guns

If you put it in a very remote area, like northern Canada, i dont think they'd find you. But i dont know how many people want to live up there where its so cold

Mike  Wrote:

Ka$hKilla  Wrote:

I have nothing against guns and i dont want to tell people what to do.

But you want to tell us we have to live without money or barter?

No. Im not telling you to live without it. Maybe someday you'll have no choice if currency is replaced as the global system, im sure if that happens youll realize how much freer you are without it

Elizabeth  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

while i don't believe in a forced society., i think it's foolish to dismiss the benefits of certain aspects of "socialism" and labeling them as communist=bad bad bad.

we need to modify our language around such things if we ever hope to evolve past our sticking points.

Marxist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the road to communism.

what i said was that there are benefits to certain aspects of what is called socialism and that we should not just throw the baby out with the bathwater because of how we've allowed things to be defined.

food, shelter and power, things everyone needs, could easily be part of a common collective expense. but because peeps are programmed to believe that anything along those lines is socialism/communism it's dismissed without any imaginative consideration.

taking certain goods, the "basic needs items", out of the capitalist market and making them part of a collective social empowerment system would not make us communists. it would work to un-enslave us from certain families who run the planet by locking up the food and oil until we pay them for it.

Ka$hKilla  Wrote:

Mike  Wrote:

Which will fail because you cannot get any land with an allodial title (i.e. there cannot be any tax lien on it) so you would require money to be able to keep your land.

Look at that, I just saved you a ton of time and money!

Not unless you find some very rural land an set up there without buying it, which is what i planned to do, i just have to find a remote enough spot to do it in

So it would either be on private property and you would be more or less milking off somebody else without their knowledge until they found you and trespassed you off their property possibly with force. Or you would be doing so on government owned land which would last until they found you and you would be forcibly removed and likely charged with a bunch of bullshit to deter you from trying to live like that again in the future.

Either way, you've not fabricated anything more than a temporary moneyless society - likely a VERY temporary society.

Ka$hKilla  Wrote:

Mike  Wrote:

So it would either be on private property and you would be more or less milking off somebody else without their knowledge until they found you and trespassed you off their property possibly with force. Or you would be doing so on government owned land which would last until they found you and you would be forcibly removed and likely charged with a bunch of bullshit to deter you from trying to live like that again in the future.

Either way, you've not fabricated anything more than a temporary moneyless society - likely a VERY temporary society.

I think it would be hard for one person to get rid of 100+ people, especially if they had guns

If you put it in a very remote area, like northern Canada, i dont think they'd find you. But i dont know how many people want to live up there where its so cold

So now you are advocating use of violence if you setup on someones private land and they wanted you off? You really are a worthless shit, you know that? The positive news is lazy people like you end up getting weeded out of the gene pool over time, or so I hope.