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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 114991 08-17-2012 12:19 AM

Christians must go through the tribulation, for three reasons. One, the tribulation isn't what you think it is! Secondly, It is pre-ordained that end times Christians go through this period. And thirdly, you'll have no part with Christ if you don't go through this tribulation period. Let's look at this for a minute.

You have been led to believe, most erronously also, that the tribulation period means wrath of God. It's doesn't. This tribulation means a time of testing of Christians and their faith. It's a time period in which antichrist wages war on Christians, and in many cases, overcomes theim, or prevails against them. But before I get into that, let's look at the word Tribulation first.

The word Tribulation never means wrath, or wrath of God, like many preachers teach, or end times movies present. The word tribulation in the greek means Pressure. The actual greek word for tribulation is thlipsis; meaning pressure, or oppression. Like I stated before, the word tribulation never meant wrath, in the New Testament meaning of the word. It's pressure antichrist will put on the saints, and he will have power to over come them; or prevail against them.

Let's look at what the Word teaches:

"I beheld, and the same horn (antichrist) made war with the saints (Living Christians), and prevailed against them;
Daniel 7:21 KJV

And

"And it was given unto him (antichrist) to make war with the saints (Living Christians), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Revelation 13:7 KJV

The main theme of these two verses is that antichrist will make war, or wage war against Christians and prevail against them; or win against them. So, keeping this in mind, as we think about the mark of the beast times, which is coming sooner than you think, you'll be asked a question: "Will you renounce Jesus Christ of Nazareth, and receive this microchip, or die?"

A question must be welling up in your minds:

Why would God allow this to happen?

The answer is simple. The church is so worldly right now, you can't distinguish it from the world. It's all in our attitudes, our different beliefs; our way of dressing when we go to church; and the very fact there are many Christians who are not really saved. They just think they are. So, God is going to put the churches, worldwide through the meat grinder, so to speak, to strengthen their faith and draw them closer to Him. A Holy God cannot accept lukewarm, wishy washy, carnal Christians. So you are to use this time of testing to draw closer to your God, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He's coming back for a bride dressed in white; not a harlot, which many Churches are today.

And what a time of testing it will be! Your family will turn on you. Your friends will turn on you. You'll not be able to buy food, or sell anything. Cash will be worthless, in this new credits based cashless system they are putting in place. And to be honest, many of you reading this are already chipped, without your knowledge, or will take the chip. Trust me; not many people can abide torture too well. But according to the Word, many will endure to the end, and make it through this time. So, keeping this sober teaching in mind; shouldn't you begin to make preparations? And to do it prayerfully.

Now, we talked about the tribulation being a time of pressure, pressure the antichrist puts on the churches, to toughen them up; to clean them up; to draw them closer to God. But nowhere does the word tribulation mean wrath. The tribulation period will last 3 and 1/2 years. Even now, worldwide, Christians are being killed for their faith. But the wrath of God period; which also lasts 3 and 1/2 years, is called the Day of the Lord. That's the time in which God, in His fury pours out His wrath on a sinful and godless world.

Both periods compose the 7 year period, that preachers get wrong in their teachings and preaching. The tribulation period is not 7 years. It's 3 and 1/2 years, and then God's wrath for 3 and 1/2 years.

So, to summarize what I just taught; The antichrist will have power over all the earth; and we can see the vehicle for this in the United Nations. His main enemy during this time will be Christians. He will make it mandatory everyone take a mark; and those that don't will be killed by beheading. God will allow this time period to happen to Christians to strengthen their faith and to draw them close to Him.

So, in conclusion, you should not view this time period with fear and trepidation. You should embrace it as a joyous time; a time period in which your LORD has foreordained for you; to bring you into His kingdom, and no one can ever touch you again.

Now, you may disagree with me, especially if you're an American Christian. But, you need to pray about this. If I'm wrong, no harm, no foul: You go up before any bad stuff happens. But, if I'm right, you really need to seek the Lord.

IF being a Christian was a crime, would they have enough evidence to convict you?

Luke 21:12 KJV
But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Mark 13:12 KJV
Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

Both these verses are talking about end time believers, right before Christ Jesus of Nazareth returns,

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Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 08-17-2012 12:20 AM

That's a lot of blood

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 114991 08-17-2012 12:23 AM

Pi Wrote:

That's a lot of blood

Yep. But they keep congregating every sunday, gossipping before service. Do a standard scripted service. Pass the offering plates, sing a few songs and voila! They miss the bad stuff. I'm sorry, it doesn't work like that.

**sea**

Not again.

Jptdknpa

**HardTruth**

Do you see any crosses or the picture of a Jeebus, or anything remotely symbolic of religion in the site banner?

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Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 08-17-2012 12:28 AM

But the Zionists told me I will get sucked up into the clouds by a angelic vacuum.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 114991 08-17-2012 12:36 AM

Pi Wrote:

But the Zionists told me I will get sucked up into the clouds by a angelic vacuum.

Actually the Pre-Tribulation rapture doctrine got introduced into Christianity by the Jesuits, through John Darby, an obscure preacher at the time. A woman in his congregation named Margaret McDonald had "a word from the Lord" that the church would be taken out before the tribulation. The Plymouth Brethern took on the doctrine and voila! A doctrine that has millions of Christians, worldwide, but mostly American Christians, deceived.

Oh and Hardtruth: Dont' like the subject matter, stay off the thread. Problem solved.

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Will the girl in this video go to heaven ?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 114991 08-17-2012 12:45 AM

Well be back ! Wrote:

Will the girl in this video go to heaven ?

I've seen that video before. That particular girl, I don't know. Probably not. The reason why is God isn't mean, or unfair, or unjust. It's just ANYONE not born again, spiritually, will not go to heaven. I don't care if it's Charles Manson, or has sit on a pew for 50 years.

If a person is not spiritually reborn, they will not go to heaven.

**Ray**

Maybe the holy people get taken out, the rest of the so-so get to stay, suffer, learn and be saved in the end.
So there could be a rapture with lots of good people to suffer through the tribulation because they weren't really holy. I don't know anyone who is holy, none at all.

God only knows.

"Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy."

**NutzMcTaffy**

I dont think God would do that to his people who had believed in him fully and trusted in him all along....

WE WILL BE RAPTURED before shit hits the fan....

Its the whole reason for having faith.. and trust.. knowing that you will be Taken.. away to safety...

if Believers in Jesus are suppose to stay here and suffer like the world is,,, there is no reason for living a good life now ... and that is the logical reason why there will be a rapture... because all of us that trusted... will be saved

( all my opinion)

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 114991 08-17-2012 12:51 AM

Ray Wrote:

Maybe the holy people get taken out, the rest of the so-so get to stay, suffer, learn and be saved in the end.
So there could be a rapture with lots of good people to suffer through the tribulation because they weren't really holy. I don't know anyone who is holy, none at all.

God only knows.

"Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy."

A person is only "Holy" because of the HOLY GHOST, the Spirit of God in them. And, what you propose goes against what Jesus Christ, Himself taught.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 114991 08-17-2012 12:51 AM

NutzMcTaffy Wrote:

I dont think God would do that to his people who had believed in him fully and trusted in him all along....

WE WILL BE RAPTURED before shit hits the fan....

Its the whole reason for having faith.. and trust.. knowing that you will be Taken.. away to safety...

if Believers in Jesus are suppose to stay here and suffer like the world is,,, there is no reason for living a good life now ... and that is the logical reason why there will be a rapture... because all of us that trusted... will be saved

( all my opinion)

So you've swallowed the Jesuit lie too! Good boy!

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**Ray**

NutzMcTaffy Wrote:

I dont think God would do that to his people who had believed in him fully and trusted in him all along....

WE WILL BE RAPTURED before shit hits the fan....

Its the whole reason for having faith.. and trust.. knowing that you will be Taken.. away to safety...

if Believers in Jesus are suppose to stay here and suffer like the world is,,, there is no reason for living a good life now ... and that is the logical reason why there will be a rapture... because all of us that trusted... will be saved

( all my opinion)

Eternal life isn't a good reason? Heartflowers