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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 93882 05-12-2012 02:05 PM

The sun isn't set in any particular place actually, it is traveling through space along with our whole solar system and galaxy, much like every glaxy and solar system

~~SoSayWeAll~~ · **~~SoSayWeAll~~** Banned User ID: 53411 05-12-2012 03:48 PM **Posts: 7,267**

Currahee Wrote:

Womam Wrote:
everything on the list in my OP was necessary for life in all the ways we know it, to flourish on this blue dot.

now ask yourself if you can still conclude that our existence on this planet did not have a pre-existing purpose, and was purely wrought into form by serendipitous positioning of our planet from the sun, and a random chance of chain events triggered by chemically induced mindless meandering biological accidents...

This is the cluster of galaxies where the Milky Way resides. Each of these dots are 1 to hundreds of galaxies, holding anywhere from 10 million to 100 trillion stars each. The number of stars alone is mind boggling, yet alone the number of planets that are orbiting them.

We are very special. Pre-existing purpose? In ALL this?! ... that's kind of conceited isn't it?

But their BIBLE tells them so... So OBVIOUSLY there is NO possible amount of evidence or fact or scientific proof that can make JESUS wrong...

Right?

Welcome to the looney bin, you have just run headlong into THE working definition of IGNORANCE.

Sucks, don't it?

**Aqua**

LoP Guest Wrote:

The sun isn't set in any particular place actually, it is traveling through space along with our whole solar system and galaxy, much like every galaxy and solar system

wow.

the sun is indeed SET in a PARTICULAR PLACE in OUR SOLAR SYSTEM.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 3934 05-15-2012 06:36 PM

Aqua Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
The sun isn't set in any particular place actually, it is traveling through space along with our whole solar system and galaxy, much like every galaxy and solar system

wow.

the sun is indeed SET in a PARTICULAR PLACE in OUR SOLAR SYSTEM.

No it's not. It's the center of the solar system by definition, not by divine providence, you superstitious goon.

**Aqua**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Aqua Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
The sun isn't set in any particular place actually, it is traveling through space along with our whole solar system and galaxy, much like every galaxy and solar system

wow.

the sun is indeed SET in a PARTICULAR PLACE in OUR SOLAR SYSTEM.

No it's not. It's the center of the solar system by definition, not by divine providence, you superstitious goon.

omg, you're the same one who deemed FRACTALS as being witchcraft... Jptdknpa

post #5 on my Fractals thread...

http://www.lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-The-...e-and-Form

**Aqua**

Just heard on "How the Universe Works" from Michio Kaku, that there is a Goldilock's Zone in our Galaxy, the Milky Way... and our solar system, of course, dwells there.

The Galactic center radiates too much radiation for life to survive, so a certain distance from it is required for life as we know it....to survive.

**Aqua** · (This post was last modified: 06-19-2012 05:04 PM by Aqua.)

so, in conclusion, for life on earth, as we know it to flourish and survive, there are significant key elements that need to be present and in place...ALL AT ONCE.

Meaning...if you were to remove JUST ONE OF EACH of THE following ELEMENTS, it would incapacitate the ability for life on earth as we know it to survive.

so if you were to remove....

1. The presence of SALT.

2. Oxygen replenishing GREEN plant life

3. Nitrogen cycle

4. Carbon

5. Positioned at a specific distance from the sun.

6. A Moon

7. A Magnetosphere (that not only protects the earth, but splits the Electromagnetic spectrum with it's concave 'lens', where each light frequency then triggers the DNA to manifest the rainbow of colors in nature.)

8. The COLOR GREEN IN NATURE.

9. EDIBLE plant life including fruits and nuts, etc..

10. Specific amount of other planets balancing the orbital dance around a central sun.

11. Both fresh and salt water.

12.

can anyone think of other necessary elements that are significant and key to supporting the chain of elements that promotes life on earth as we know it......?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 92313 06-19-2012 05:27 PM

Helioaquamamsquatch, PLEASE stop proxying back into the forum that recently banned you! TIA

**USSR** · (This post was last modified: 06-19-2012 06:14 PM by USSR.)

Tell life arose casually... our DNA contain huge information.... there is no person that DNA would repeat....
We have on Earth a lot of silicon..... why life arose not on reasonable silicon plates and transistors and operating systems? Which could have instincts of reproduction, self-preservation, a food? Unless it is simpler to write down enormous volume of information of DNA in one microscopic cage than to create the computer? I think casual probability of creation of life from chaotic chemical reactions such is..... as casual creation of the computer from the same casual chemical reactions.....
For experiment try to place in the tank chemical powdery components of the laptop.... plastic, textolite, glass, copper, tin, graphite, alkali, silicon, aluminum, some rare-earth metals, catalyst of chemical reactions...... then it is necessary to stir up this capacity properly..... according to the theory of an origin of life on the earth.... there is a chance that from casual chemical reactions of components can the brand new laptop will turn out.... and some calculators are probably simple... either tablet, or smartphone.... experiment.... prove that casual chemical reactions it is possible to receive anything...
I don't think what even the elementary microscopic organism with its various sensors, the program of instincts, reproduction system, a power supply system, digestion, structure of DNA and other.... it is arranged more simply than the modern computer....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdRrpEKZqpc

**Aqua**

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Helioaquamamsquatch, PLEASE stop proxying back into the forum that recently banned you! TIA

I'm not using a proxy there, but thanks for bumping my thread with your constant TROLLING !

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 97033 06-19-2012 06:57 PM

RE: the oxygen visibility and green color life argument.....

1. Oxygen....

A review of possible optical absorption features of oxygen molecules in
the icy surfaces of outer solar system bodies
http://mason.gmu.edu/~pcooper6/papers/2.pdf

"Liquid oxygen has a pale blue color and is strongly paramagnetic"

"There are also visible resonance absorption bands for oxygen in collision complexes (in the yellow range, it appears), but it's a bit of a calculation to actually figure out how strong those are. The cross sections (http://ca.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9FJqGBUGZV...TB2NW50aG1 hBGNvbG8DdwRsA1dTMQRwb3MDNQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZAM-/SIG=13ijvlqck/EXP=1150708436/**http://www.nat.vu.nl/atom/Publications/pdf/O4.pdf#search='visible%20absorption%20oxygen') seem pretty large, but if we don't notice it much now, I can't imagine we'd notice it much with five times the number of collisions. Under higher pressure, the absorption of these complexes increases a lot (related to the square of pressure), and there are more collisions, so in a high pressure oxygen environment, you'll probably get some noticeable absorption.

Anyway, the colour of our sky isn't so much due to its constituents as it is due to the density of the atmosphere as a whole."

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/blue_sky.html

"How is it believed Mars got a carbon dioxide atmosphere? And how did Earth felicitously it's nitrogen and oxygen, with just enough carbon dioxide to keep the flora happy?!Carbon dioxide and nitrogen were part of the original complement of gases when the planets formed. Mars has actually lost a great deal of its original atmosphere, to the solar wind and impacts.
On Earth, the plants are responsible for the oxygen, and in part for the low carbon dioxide. (There's also a deal of carbon dioxide deposited in the form of carbonate minerals, courtesy of Earth's oceans.) Plants have actually steadily evolved to deal with lower carbon dioxide levels, so it's not a matter of the carbon dioxide being tuned to the plants, but the other way around."

http://www.bautforum.com/archive/index.php/t-43033.html

2. Green color and life.....

"Researchers studying the origin of Earth's first breathable atmosphere have zeroed in on the major role played by some very unassuming creatures: plankton.

In a paper to appear in the online Early Edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), Ohio State University researcher Matthew Saltzman and his colleagues show how plankton provided a critical link between the atmosphere and chemical isotopes stored in rocks 500 million years ago."

Plankton are Key to Earth's Oxygen
http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/380...ths-oxygen

Bioluminescence - the Glow of life
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8622189/Biolum...ow-of-life

Source of Half Earth's Oxygen Gets Little Credit
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...nkton.html

Edith Widder: Glowing life in an underwater world
http://www.ted.com/talks/edith_widder_gl...world.html

http://www.olympus.co.uk/microscopy/Life...scence.htm

3. Animals and Plants origin

Animals, plants and fungi are all thought to have derived from extra-terrestrial origin (cellular level - Look up eukaryote cells origin)

....that been said, don't spout off first year college biology and think you are the ducks nuts Mr Ph.D scientist and know it all, discarding others thought and opinion.....

because it has been established that the value in their "Expert" opinion is just as tainted as those from a religious realm.

Let down your guard, accept the unknown, then determine it's value.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1urlNSFJdVk

Heartflowers

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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 97033 06-19-2012 07:04 PM

Aqua Wrote:

so, in conclusion, for life on earth, as we know it to flourish and survive, there are significant key elements that need to be present and in place...ALL AT ONCE.

Meaning...if you were to remove JUST ONE OF EACH of THE following ELEMENTS, it would incapacitate the ability for life on earth as we know it to survive.

can anyone think of other necessary elements that are significant and key to supporting the chain of elements that promotes life on earth as we know it......?

Hydrogen, helium.... both being lost.....

eg. the amount of hydrogen molecules within a solution, determines acidity or alkalinity (pH level).

Oxygen by itself is highly combustible. The other two main gases in the air we breath is nitrogen (78%) and 1% 1% argon, helium, carbon dioxide, and other gases.

Most of the air is nitrogen, however, by itself, nitrogen is deadly because of the reverse osmosis of oxygen. How it works is oxygen will always gravitate toward the direction where the least amount of oxygen is concentrated. When you fill your lungs with pure nitrogen, the oxygen from your brain will rush toward your lungs. After about 5 to 10 seconds of exposure to pure nitrogen, you will lose enough oxygen to your brain to cause death.

**FreedomStands**

Aqua Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Helioaquamamsquatch, PLEASE stop proxying back into the forum that recently banned you! TIA

I'm not using a proxy there, but thanks for bumping my thread with your constant TROLLING !

Also Aqua could you take a look at my giant posts I linked to in the 6000 thread:

This is the Trinity one:
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Easy-Rel...pid3600628

This is the Evolution one (that led into the Trinity discussion):
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Easy-Rel...pid3599662

This is the thread where they were originally posted:

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-earth-is...-years-old

**Aqua** · (This post was last modified: 06-19-2012 10:18 PM by Aqua.)

FreedomStands Wrote:

Aqua Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Helioaquamamsquatch, PLEASE stop proxying back into the forum that recently banned you! TIA

I'm not using a proxy there, but thanks for bumping my thread with your constant TROLLING !

Also Aqua could you take a look at my giant posts I linked to in the 6000 thread:

This is the Trinity one:
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Easy-Rel...pid3600628

This is the Evolution one (that led into the Trinity discussion):
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Easy-Rel...pid3599662

This is the thread where they were originally posted:

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-earth-is...-years-old

*hates being assigned homework*

chuckle