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Why I have a beef with you gun nuts
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09-20-2013 01:53 PM

 



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Why I have a beef with you gun nuts
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I don't actually disagree with you American gun nuts half as much as you think, but I often get frustrated with you because you don't seem to understand the bigger picture, which is that widespread private gun ownership is actually a very bad sign.

I'll explain:

Since the dawn of time, men have always gathered together for protection against the wild animals, and the wildest of all animals is of course Man himself. A group of people teaming up for mutual protection is the root cause of the eventual emergence of what we today know as the state.

The primary task for every state, big or small, is thus to provide security for its citizens. There are secondary and tertiary and quaterniary tasks that have accumulated over time, but the most primary task, and the very reason for the formation of the state in the first place, is protection.

Protection against what, you ask?

Two things:


1. Criminals and other anti-social individuals who seek to gain benefits for themselves at the expense of others in the society.

2. Invasion by other tribes seeking to steal the land and resources of the society.


When a state fails to provide adequate protection against these constant threats, it has failed to live up to its primary reason to exist. Therefore, such a state must logically be considered a failed state.

When people live in a failed state that cannot or will not provide the protection they need, they will naturally seek to protect themselves, for instance by acquiring guns.

And that's why the number of guns in private ownership is not a measure of the freedom enjoyed by citizens, it is instead a sure sign that they are living in a failed state.

And even more - if a state does not offer protection for its citizens, it no longer serves a useful purpose. A state not serving a useful purpose has no valid excuse to exist, it can do nothing but harm, and is the very definition of a tyranny.

So, the fact Americans buy lots of guns to protect themselves shows without a shadow of a doubt that they are in fact living under the tyranny of a failed state, which happens to be the direct opposite to freedom!

Now, I don't want to be unfair to Americans, so I'll haste to point out that theirs isn't the only failed state by any means. In fact, every Western nation is currently a failed state, and since these failed states still insist on continuing to exist, they are also tyrannical by definition.

The only difference is, the USA mainly fails in protecting its citizens against criminals (forcing them to buy guns), whereas the other Western nations mainly fail to protect theirs against invaders (the reaction has not been seen yet).

These invaders are instead given protection by the state, and the invasion is actively encouraged, which is of course the exact opposite of what a state is supposed to do.

The invaders are called nicer names, like "immigrants" or "refugees", but that is just the way the state deceives the citizens into accepting the invasion. The plain fact of the matter is, if you attempt to settle on the land previously held by another tribe, then you are an invader trying to steal their land and resources, and should of course be treated as such.

There is no such thing as "peaceful immigration", because the very act of attempting to live on the land held by someone else uninvited is in itself an act of aggression!

Failing to protect against such invasion is lethal. A good example is the plight of the "Native Americans". The Europeans settled on their land "peacefully" for the most part, but what difference did that make in the end? None! They still lost their land.

And the important thing here is, no-one actually has a right to anything, unless they can defend it. The Native Americans failed to protect their land, so it was stolen, by "immigration" and "refugees". And now it is not theirs anymore. No amount of complaints or moralizing about fictitious "rights" can ever give it back.

Stuff belongs to the one who manages to hold onto it, such is the law of Nature!

That's why people band together and forms states. It is the only way anyone can ever live a reasonably safe life on this planet. But when the state abandons the interests of its citizens and acts contrary to those interests, then it has become a monster, and a lethal threat to the very people it was intended to protect. Such a state gone rogue needs to be slain, not to reinstate the mythical happy anarchy of the Wild West, but to reinstate a proper state, one which does serve the interests of its citizens.

In short, my beef with you gun nuts, is that you yearn for the glory days of the Wild West, when it was every man for himself. Those days actually never happened as you remember them, there was always a Sheriff around and the gun-toting cowboy ended up in jail for everyone's protection, but you keep dreaming the impossible dream - the dream of being free without needing to rely on others.

And that happens to be the wrong dream to dream. The correct dream, is of creating a well-ordered state that serves and protects its citizens. Only in such a state can Man ever experience a taste of the freedom he seeks.
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Why I have a beef with you gun nuts
First, I mean no disrespect to you.

Next, obviously by your statement, you're not an American. So, how about you save your judgement for your own "country"?

You give me even more reason to want to arm myself. Seriously.

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gun nuts are mostly insecure a-holes
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09-20-2013 02:10 PM

 



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HaleFire  Wrote: (09-20-2013 02:06 PM)
First, I mean no disrespect to you.

Next, obviously by your statement, you're not an American. So, how about you save your judgement for your own "country"?

You give me even more reason to want to arm myself. Seriously.

falleaves

You have clearly not understood my points, probably because you didn't read my post with an open mind. This obviously makes your comment less interesting than it could have been otherwise, but thanks for the effort anyway.
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...and most people who call people gun nuts are homos
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That's a fair statement. Just remember, not all gun owners yearn for anarchy and "the wild west"

Some people want to own a gun simply to protect themselves from the tyrannical government you refer to. Others simply want to protect their families from criminals. America is a violent place.
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1. Eat shit.

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I'm going to make a racist statement, but its a verifiable fact. In Chicago last year there were 698 murders by hand gun. 78% were by blacks 21% by Hispanics 1% by whites...


Obama wants to take the guns away from white people not blacks... why because 95% of the guns owned by blacks are illegally owned...


So it aint gonna ever f*cking happen... I you want our guns come and f*cking get them... I dare you...
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Though I can see your reasoning, OP, this concept has been clouded and polluted by the laws that are now meant to protect the very things you say we should gather together as a community to fight.

If we had swift and effective punishments for criminals we need guns to protect ourselves from...then maybe more people would be sympathetic to trusting the law enforcers to protect them.

There will ALWAYS be innocent victims on both sides of this debate.

Innocent people would and have been executed, but not NEAR as many as the filth we've rid from this planet....

Innocent people have been victims of gun violence but not NEAR as many as those protected by a gun.


And this is not even TOUCHING the original reason why our constitution allows us the 'right to bear arms'.

'I may not like what you have to say, but will defend to the death your right to say it!'
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Doug Fisher  Wrote: (09-20-2013 02:12 PM)
That's a fair statement. Just remember, not all gun owners yearn for anarchy and "the wild west"

Some people want to own a gun simply to protect themselves from the tyrannical government you refer to. Others simply want to protect their families from criminals. America is a violent place.

I'm sure you're right. I'll try to remember to make a mental distinction between gun owners and gun nuts! Unfortunately, the gun nuts seem to be the more vocal group!
chuckle
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09-20-2013 02:21 PM

 



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You believe the state protects the people. This is state worship. Christians do not worship the state.

The emergency number "9-1-1" is actually the police state (in the US). People call it for any little reason and the police show up. Still Americans have been delegated authority to protect our own property and person. It's the law, it's in the Constitution; always has been.

The state is there to protect the borders and build roads. Both they have been failing to do.
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09-20-2013 02:22 PM

 



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The thing is govts fall and rise. Those transitions are bloody. We are in a transition right now. People have the right protect themselves and have the right to rule themselves without oppressive regimes taking the reigns. Owning a gun perhaps is not just the need for protection, but also a symbol that the people won't go quietly to the mass graves when the time comes. History repeats itself and we do not live in a perfect world nor will we ever.
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-to the anti-gun nut
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Why I have a beef with you gun nuts
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-20-2013 02:16 PM)
Doug Fisher  Wrote: (09-20-2013 02:12 PM)
That's a fair statement. Just remember, not all gun owners yearn for anarchy and "the wild west"

Some people want to own a gun simply to protect themselves from the tyrannical government you refer to. Others simply want to protect their families from criminals. America is a violent place.

I'm sure you're right. I'll try to remember to make a mental distinction between gun owners and gun nuts! Unfortunately, the gun nuts seem to be the more vocal group!
chuckle

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