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**HardTruth**

David Wrote:

HardTruth Wrote:
David Wrote:
Phew.

I thought you were talking about the Joos.

'Cause I don't worship Lucifer or Satan.

But what if (just for the sake of shits and giggles) Jesus was challenging the religious orthodoxy of his day because he felt people were actually worshipping Satan as the "God" of Judaism?

John 8:44

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Then the "God" of the Jews and the "God" Jesus was referring to might not have been one and the same.

Just for the "sake of argument"...

Once again, for the sake of Argument, could you tell me if this Satan is opposite of the christians jealous god of war, what does that make the Satan?

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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

Satan was not the "opposite" of God necessarily.

He was the "opponent", but not necessarily the "opponent" of God, but man.

He is one of the sons of God -- in God's holy council in the "Book of Job". It is man he thwarts and accuses/tests.

Your interpretation of "Satan" is not the only one, even if it is the perception of religious people and freethinkers with a superficial knowledge of the scriptures.

But, anyway, I don't think Jesus' god was a "god of war" in a sense, but "war" taken in a broader more poetic sense, yes.

Balls, I see you have none...lol!!

Satans = gods of war. It is only those that are extremely opposite of peace, love and harmony that would be defined as "Satans".

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

**The Ghost of David Carradine**

In religion, often paradox is used to point to a higher truth that cannot be conveyed (or proven?) in words.

To wit:

John 18:36

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Matthew 10:34

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

On the surface, these two quotes from scripture appear to contain a contradicton, but...

Ephesians 6:12

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
...we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

**The Ghost of David Carradine**

HardTruth Wrote:

David Wrote:
HardTruth Wrote:
Once again, for the sake of Argument, could you tell me if this Satan is opposite of the christians jealous god of war, what does that make the Satan?

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

Satan was not the "opposite" of God necessarily.

He was the "opponent", but not necessarily the "opponent" of God, but man.

He is one of the sons of God -- in God's holy council in the "Book of Job". It is man he thwarts and accuses/tests.

Your interpretation of "Satan" is not the only one, even if it is the perception of religious people and freethinkers with a superficial knowledge of the scriptures.

But, anyway, I don't think Jesus' god was a "god of war" in a sense, but "war" taken in a broader more poetic sense, yes.

Balls, I see you have none...lol!!

Satans = gods of war. It is only those that are extremely opposite of peace, love and harmony that would be defined as "Satans".

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

But who said peace, love and harmony are the only things God is about?

He did make us and we're not all peaches and cream.

Perhaps, some religious folks have some things wrong and some anti-religious folk.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 16731 02-23-2012 03:36 AM

David Wrote:

In religion, often paradox is used to point to a higher truth that cannot be conveyed (or proven?) in words.

To wit:

John 18:36

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Matthew 10:34

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

On the surface, these two quotes from scripture appear to contain a contradicton, but...

Ephesians 6:12

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
...we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Your post reminded me that I left out one critically important aspect from my earlier response...

"The Atheists aren't like that until you One-True-Godders come along and start crapping all over the place with your Holier-Than-Thou attitude and your incessant pandering and grovelling for new adherents... "

Let's add...

"and who are incapable of any intelligent response that's not in some part comprised of quoting stale scripture in antiquated english that everyone except their fellow sufferers of delusions simply skips over entirely"

**TheGreatThinker**

David Wrote:

In religion, often paradox is used to point to a higher truth that cannot be conveyed (or proven?) in words.

To wit:

John 18:36

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Matthew 10:34

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

On the surface, these two quotes from scripture appear to contain a contradicton, but...

Ephesians 6:12

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
...we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

hes referencing the king james bible

http://www.av1611.org/nkjv.html

even before you open the front cover theres 666 on the front

**The Ghost of David Carradine**

TheGreatThinker Wrote:

David Wrote:
In religion, often paradox is used to point to a higher truth that cannot be conveyed (or proven?) in words.

To wit:

John 18:36

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Matthew 10:34

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

On the surface, these two quotes from scripture appear to contain a contradicton, but...

Ephesians 6:12

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
...we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

hes referencing the king james bible

http://www.av1611.org/nkjv.html

even before you open the front cover theres 666 on the front

My Catholic translation is not radically different FWIW.

Anon

**The Ghost of David Carradine**

LoP Guest Wrote:

David Wrote:
In religion, often paradox is used to point to a higher truth that cannot be conveyed (or proven?) in words.

To wit:

John 18:36

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Matthew 10:34

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

On the surface, these two quotes from scripture appear to contain a contradicton, but...

Ephesians 6:12

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
...we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Your post reminded me that I left out one critically important aspect from my earlier response...

"The Atheists aren't like that until you One-True-Godders come along and start crapping all over the place with your Holier-Than-Thou attitude and your incessant pandering and grovelling for new adherents... "

Let's add...

"and who are incapable of any intelligent response that's not in some part comprised of quoting stale scripture in antiquated english that everyone except their fellow sufferers of delusions simply skips over entirely"

I don't think I have been acting holier-than-thou whoever thou art.

Maybe, you are oversensitive about that.

And scripture is not "stale" to me, it is like fresh bread.

But...

De gustibus non disputandum est.

**TheGreatThinker**

David Wrote:

TheGreatThinker Wrote:
David Wrote:
In religion, often paradox is used to point to a higher truth that cannot be conveyed (or proven?) in words.

To wit:

John 18:36

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Matthew 10:34

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

On the surface, these two quotes from scripture appear to contain a contradicton, but...

Ephesians 6:12

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
...we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

hes referencing the king james bible

http://www.av1611.org/nkjv.html

even before you open the front cover theres 666 on the front

My Catholic translation is not radically different FWIW.

The Greek and Hebrew language contain a different word for the second person singular and the second person plural pronouns. Today we use the one-word "you" for both the singular and plural. But because the translators of the 1611 King James Bible desired an accurate, word-for-word translation of the Hebrew and Greek text - they could NOT use the one-word "you" throughout! If it begins with "t" (thou, thy, thine) it's SINGULAR, but if it begins with "y" (ye) it's PLURAL. Ads for the NKJV call it "the Accurate One", and yet the 1611 King James, by using "thee", "thou", "ye", is far more accurate!

By the way, if the "thee's" and "thou's" are ". . .no longer part of our language" - why aren't the NKJV translators rushing to make our hymnbooks "much clearer"? "How Great Thou Art" to "How Great You Are", or "Come Thou Fount" to "Come You Fount" Doesn't sound right, does it? Isn't it amazing that they wouldn't dare "correct" our hymns - and yet, without the slightest hesitation, they'll "correct" the word of God!

The NKJV claims to make the "old" KJV "much clearer" by "updating obsolete words" (New King James Version, 1982e. p. 1235)

How about that "obsolete word" - "hell". The NKJV removes the word "hell" 23 times! And how do they make it "much clearer"? By replacing "hell" with "Hades" and "Sheol"! Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary defines Hades: "the underground abode of the dead in Greek MYTHOLOGY". By making it "much clearer" - they turn your Bible into MYTHOLOGY! Not only that, Hades is not always a place of torment or terror! The Assyrian Hades is an abode of blessedness with silver skies called "Happy Fields". In the satanic New Age Movement, Hades is an intermediate state of purification!

Who in their right mind would think "Hades" or "Sheol" is "up-to-date" and "much clearer" than "hell"?

Matthew 16:18
KJV: "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

NKJV: "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it."

Luke 16:23
KJV: "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

NKJV: "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 78057 02-23-2012 04:05 AM

I am tired of you crazy f*cks arguing over something none of you can prove or disprove. STFU!!!!! Please?