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So many unbelievers sound brainwashed. They keep repeatng the same comments that again and again and again. The minds of some unbeliever seem like recordings that are set on repeat. It's kinda funny because they call Christians brainwashed but seem completely unaware how brainwashed they themselves sound.

Thank you dear sister.

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Thank you dear sister.

I do not want to get into a figtht with you all, just looking for some healthy discussion.

First I would like to point out that what "we" are saying as you call "repeat" words, has been around for what? 100 years? More vocally it has become in the last 50 years.

And whatever people are saying about religion, religious people have for thousands of years had only a book to support their view, while the other side has quite a wide arrey of topics which cover religion from a more astute and logical point of view.

So for as to who is on "repeat" function I would not even argue about it.


As for all other things... have you ever just for a second thought that since the Bible was written by the order of Roman empire, which we know wanted to rule the world, that jsut maybe they wanted the Bible to be their tool in doing so?

Just maybe? And that you must take it as that? A book written loosly on "real" ancient events but manipulated for the cause of the empire?

No? That does not sound logical?

How about that your "God - YHWH" had a wife?

How about that Beelzebub is derived from Ba'al... the ancient "God" that stood against "YHWH"?

Just want to know your input on that... these things we know for a fact from archeological digs and discoveries.
But the Bible somehow fails to mention that... on quite a few occasions the Bible was even mistranslated from the old testament on purpose.

If that doesn't sound a bell in a rational thinking being, then the being is not rational let alone thinking.

Apart from that, I do allow possibility of a superior beings as well as a universal force which a person could call "God"... but I do not think it is a man with a beard watching over our every move. That's just silly.

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NEESIE  Wrote:

Thank you dear sister.

I do not want to get into a figtht with you all, just looking for some healthy discussion.

First I would like to point out that what "we" are saying as you call "repeat" words, has been around for what? 100 years? More vocally it has become in the last 50 years.

And whatever people are saying about religion, religious people have for thousands of years had only a book to support their view, while the other side has quite a wide arrey of topics which cover religion from a more astute and logical point of view.

So for as to who is on "repeat" function I would not even argue about it.


As for all other things... have you ever just for a second thought that since the Bible was written by the order of Roman empire, which we know wanted to rule the world, that jsut maybe they wanted the Bible to be their tool in doing so?

Just maybe? And that you must take it as that? A book written loosly on "real" ancient events but manipulated for the cause of the empire?

No? That does not sound logical?

How about that your "God - YHWH" had a wife?

How about that Beelzebub is derived from Ba'al... the ancient "God" that stood against "YHWH"?

Just want to know your input on that... these things we know for a fact from archeological digs and discoveries.
But the Bible somehow fails to mention that... on quite a few occasions the Bible was even mistranslated from the old testament on purpose.

If that doesn't sound a bell in a rational thinking being, then the being is not rational let alone thinking.

Apart from that, I do allow possibility of a superior beings as well as a universal force which a person could call "God"... but I do not think it is a man with a beard watching over our every move. That's just silly.

I have to say that when I look at the incredible complexity and delicate calibration of the physical universe, even if I had never read the Bible or been told that there is a God, I would believe in God. The beauty and balance and intricate harmony in the the innumerable parts of this visible universe practically FORCES any thinking, rational human being to believe in an intelligent Creator. The Bible provides the specifics of this Wonderful Creator, and delivers His guidance to us on the Way to Eternal Happiness.

God bless everyone here, even the unbelievers! Be back in a while.

well, I do bless you and respect how you feel. It just Isnt the same way that i feel. I was once a hardcore atheist. but one day i found myself telling my young nephews that God did not exist.

It later occured to me that I really didnt have anything to base that opinion on. And it frightened me that i was telling my nephews something that could end up destroying them. This made me want to do some research before i opened my mouth on the subject again.

that was a few years ago, I have since learned that there are very many signs that indicate an intelligent creator. and that Jesus christ and pontous pilot did exist!!

and the reason i believe that the God I now love is the God of the bible is because the bible is the oldest. This would indicate that it is a guidebook for the creation. Inside this book is an answer for almost any scenario. It explains the whole shebang, who,what,where,when and why. I would dare you to find these things elsewhere, the koran came out after the torah and much has been copied from scripture.

I just don't want others to condemn themselves the same way that i did. I have ruined my one nephew against God, but the other one knows that God does exist.

I guess its this simple..

most religious people are brainwashed to believe that :

being a religious person, trumps being a good person, in the eyes of our creator ?

that really is the basis of their belief system.

utterly insane to me.

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I guess its this simple..

most religious people are brainwashed to believe that :

being a religious person, trumps being a good person, in the eyes of our creator ?

that really is the basis of their belief system.

utterly insane to me.

therefore, in the realm of the religious world...

a person who has spent their time and money, helping others in need, caring for the sick , being honest, and respecting nature/ life, will burn in hell if they dont also properly worship the right religion.

BUT..

a person who did not engage in such feats of giving and love on earth, but worshipped the right religion, will go to heaven.

wow...what a f*cked up set of dogmas.

LoP Guest  Wrote:

I guess its this simple..

most religious people are brainwashed to believe that :

being a religious person, trumps being a good person, in the eyes of our creator ?

that really is the basis of their belief system.

utterly insane to me.

therefore, in the realm of the religious world...

a person who has spent their time and money, helping others in need, caring for the sick , being honest, and respecting nature/ life, will burn in hell if they dont also properly worship the right religion.

BUT..

a person who did not engage in such feats of giving and love on earth, but worshipped the right religion, will go to heaven.

wow...what a f*cked up set of dogmas.

NEESIE  Wrote:

well, I do bless you and respect how you feel. It just Isnt the same way that i feel. I was once a hardcore atheist. but one day i found myself telling my young nephews that God did not exist.

It later occured to me that I really didnt have anything to base that opinion on. And it frightened me that i was telling my nephews something that could end up destroying them. This made me want to do some research before i opened my mouth on the subject again.

that was a few years ago, I have since learned that there are very many signs that indicate an intelligent creator. and that Jesus christ and pontous pilot did exist!!

and the reason i believe that the God I now love is the God of the bible is because the bible is the oldest. This would indicate that it is a guidebook for the creation. Inside this book is an answer for almost any scenario. It explains the whole shebang, who,what,where,when and why. I would dare you to find these things elsewhere, the koran came out after the torah and much has been copied from scripture.

I just don't want others to condemn themselves the same way that i did. I have ruined my one nephew against God, but the other one knows that God does exist.

Thank for your honesty, and sorry in advance since I am going to be honest too.

I was a hardcore atheist myself about 6 years ago, the thought of even thinking about the Bible as being something else than a fairy tale made me laugh and want to argue with whoever was defending it.

Then I started to do a bit of research of myself and during the years came to a completely different view of everything. I would not go into complete details as this would not be the point of this debate.

What I would like to point out at first is that your first desire to know about Bible was not a desire of knowledge or truth but a desire of feeling safe and guarded. And the sole reason for that is fear.

Fear is the core mechanics of the Bible and religion, without fear, there is no worship and no religion.
So your quest that you enbarked was for wrong reasions and if you search for without a right reasion you find the wrong answer.

And fear is a negative energy... And the Bible thrives on it.


As for your quite silly remark about the most ancient... are you for real?

You have Vedas in India that are thousands of years older and tell the whole story of the Earth in a very more logical way.

You have Sumerian tablets that predate Israeli of an ancient religion that deals with the subject also in a more logical way.

And while we're at it... Israeli- Jewish religion came from the Ka'anite religion of multiple "Gods" which then the Jewish empire completely destroyed and covered almost all traces of their previous religion.

The very true and undeniable fact is that ALL present day "Christian" (Christian, Muslim, Jewish) are based on Pagan religions of multiple dieties. Even the stories are almost completely the same apart from the names.