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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 68111 12-16-2011 04:24 AM

Silly Bastard Wrote:

It won't be that way much longer, if you can find a job that offers benefits anymore you are very lucky.

Well then, Absurdius says you're irresponsible if you take a job without benefits. Just say no. don't do it. Starve spork.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 49548 12-16-2011 04:26 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

Silly Bastard Wrote:
It won't be that way much longer, if you can find a job that offers benefits anymore you are very lucky.

Well then, Absurdius says you're irresponsible if you take a job without benefits. Just say no. don't do it. Starve spork.

Yes, Absurdius is my god, I must obey- Absurdius "knows" Cheer

**Luvapottamus**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Luvapottamus Wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QkgUkM0o6Q

The Hill-Burton Act was the previous standard.

If we extended medicare to Hill-Burton it'd be CHEAPER and BETTER than HMO.

Alternatively, we could have State Health insurance and Hill-Burton.

Rebates fo surpluses.

(I know what I'm talking about, my grandfather was President of Oklahoma Blue Cross before it went quasi-profit)

But I have to bail for a debate. Will return once it's streaming.

Thanks for the info...I'm in my 50's and don't remember people complaining about health care costs when I was a kid- usually just one parent worked and everyone was covered.

Blue Cross and Blue Shield used to be non-profit.

My grandfather was appointed by the Governor to be CEO of Oklahoma's.

I don't know if he was paid for this or not, I expect he was paid something.

But he was loved by the employees because he did everything possible to cut waste, and serve the insured.

The lower level employees loved this because it made their jobs easier. My soccer coach was one of them, and that's how I found out he had that gig.

I remember him coming to town for board meetings, and my dad filled me in on the rest later.

Anyhow, they went quasi-private at some point, and now they have three SKYSCRAPERS downtown, and nobody can afford it.

THREE paper mills. That's BULLSHIT. I got DENIED later on when I applied for a personal policy.

Just FLAT DENIED.
chuckle

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 43094 12-16-2011 04:32 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

Oh please, Nixon was another Hollywood prop

HE WAS STILL A NAZI, just like all the other Presidents to follow him.

**............** · **............** INFP User ID: 27152 12-16-2011 04:33 AM **Posts: 15,734**

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Silly Bastard Wrote:
It won't be that way much longer, if you can find a job that offers benefits anymore you are very lucky.

Well then, Absurdius says you're irresponsible if you take a job without benefits. Just say no. don't do it. Starve spork.

Yes, Absurdius is my god, I must obey- Absurdius "knows"

Actually I was referring more to the idea that each individual should take responsibility for their own health care, as in taking care of your health. Living a healthy lifestyle: emotionally, physically, and mentally.

The body has been endowed with amazing powers to heal itself, just as with the rest of nature. It is only through our own ignorance and ego have we forgotten that.

**Luvapottamus**

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Oh please, Nixon was another Hollywood prop

HE WAS STILL A NAZI, just like all the other Presidents to follow him.

I didn't throw that out with NOTHING to back it up. Gimme a sec.
Popcorn

**Luvapottamus**

absurdious Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Well then, Absurdius says you're irresponsible if you take a job without benefits. Just say no. don't do it. Starve spork.

Yes, Absurdius is my god, I must obey- Absurdius "knows"

Actually I was referring more to the idea that each individual should take responsibility for their own health care, as in taking care of your health. Living a healthy lifestyle: emotionally, physically, and mentally.

The body has been endowed with amazing powers to heal itself, just as with the rest of nature. It is only through our own ignorance and ego have we forgotten that.

I agree with that , but sometimes we need more.

Even when we have access to more it's important we don't just follow the word of the "professionals." Espescially within the current system, they are really shoddy.

They deprive the students of SLEEP!

How fuckedd up and backwards is THAT?

Regarding the NIXON NAZIISM;
no slam dunk, but Bill Still claims his dad was privy to Watergate being a limited hangout for an attempted Fascist Coup:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...5149585773

Should be near the intro.

No slam dunk, sorry, but if it quacks lkike a duck..

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 49548 12-16-2011 04:53 AM

absurdious Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Well then, Absurdius says you're irresponsible if you take a job without benefits. Just say no. don't do it. Starve spork.

Yes, Absurdius is my god, I must obey- Absurdius "knows"

Actually I was referring more to the idea that each individual should take responsibility for their own health care, as in taking care of your health. Living a healthy lifestyle: emotionally, physically, and mentally.

The body has been endowed with amazing powers to heal itself, just as with the rest of nature. It is only through our own ignorance and ego have we forgotten that.

OK, that sounds fair. But what if we get cancer, polio, MRSA, etc., etc.
There are some things the body does not recover from, so your statement contains some truthiness along with some absurdiness chuckle

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 49548 12-16-2011 04:54 AM

Luvapottamus Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Luvapottamus Wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QkgUkM0o6Q

The Hill-Burton Act was the previous standard.

If we extended medicare to Hill-Burton it'd be CHEAPER and BETTER than HMO.

Alternatively, we could have State Health insurance and Hill-Burton.

Rebates fo surpluses.

(I know what I'm talking about, my grandfather was President of Oklahoma Blue Cross before it went quasi-profit)

But I have to bail for a debate. Will return once it's streaming.

Thanks for the info...I'm in my 50's and don't remember people complaining about health care costs when I was a kid- usually just one parent worked and everyone was covered.

Blue Cross and Blue Shield used to be non-profit.

My grandfather was appointed by the Governor to be CEO of Oklahoma's.

I don't know if he was paid for this or not, I expect he was paid something.

But he was loved by the employees because he did everything possible to cut waste, and serve the insured.

The lower level employees loved this because it made their jobs easier. My soccer coach was one of them, and that's how I found out he had that gig.

I remember him coming to town for board meetings, and my dad filled me in on the rest later.

Anyhow, they went quasi-private at some point, and now they have three SKYSCRAPERS downtown, and nobody can afford it.

THREE paper mills. That's BULLSHIT. I got DENIED later on when I applied for a personal policy.

Just FLAT DENIED.

So....NIXON's THE ONE!! (fekken rat basturd)

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67917 12-16-2011 04:59 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

absurdious Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Health CARE is the responsibility of the government.

How about YOU are responsible for your own health care...

You'd rather have a world where irresponsible people shuffle around the streets on little skate boards and poor people walk along coughing their TB all over you. Old ladies and old men picking up cans, cigarette butts and mcdonald sacks with some fries left in it. What a wonderful world. Pottersville. It's ok to have 750 military bases around the world and fight 5 wars simultaneously, but not a penny for the irresponsible poor. f*ck em.

America f*ck YEAH!

You better love it or leave it buddy!

**Luvapottamus**

(snip)

...
Nixon was the first
to overtly attempt a coup. Former General
> William T. Still wrote a book on the topic, which I have, but cannot find
> for the moment. Both Still and his father served in the Nixon White House.
> This book provides chapter and verse of a Nixon-conceived takeover.

>
http://www.conspiracytheories.us/a-debat...her-part-2

I'd love to find THAT book.

Anyhow the LaRouchies same the same thing bout Nixon, and it's kind of odd, because i many ways he seems more liberal than Bill Clinton, but as Larouche would say and has said:

"Don't be an idiot, that guy was bad news."

chuckle

I wish I could provide more. I just wanted to make clear I'm not a liberal, I didn't just pull that out of my ass for no reason.

I AM a dirigist, but that's distinctly different.

**dirtfarmer** · **dirtfarmer** Forum Farmer User ID: 17538 12-16-2011 05:00 AM **Posts: 320**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Absolutely no reason to stick that on an employer, not to mention the unemployed, disabled, elderly, etc.

As the rest of the world knows, Health CARE is the responsibility of the government.

Well I have been self employed the last 40 years, and have paid for my own insurance all the way. Why the hell should the Government pay for it?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 67054 12-16-2011 05:05 AM

Guaranteed payments to the insurance companies. Automatically comes
out of your check. Better guarantee than leaving it up to the patient to
forget to pay the premium. This way they always get their money so
when you need insurance services they can deny you or tell you you
haven't met your deductible yet.

Same way with the "Pee" tests at work. Most of them really don't give a
crap as long as you show up on time and do your job. The employer's benefit
is they get a reduced rate on their workman's comp insurance rates.

**Luvapottamus**

dirtfarmer Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Absolutely no reason to stick that on an employer, not to mention the unemployed, disabled, elderly, etc.

As the rest of the world knows, Health CARE is the responsibility of the government.

Well I have been self employed the last 40 years, and have paid for my own insurance all the way. Why the hell should the Government pay for it?

THe government shouldn't PAY for it, just RUN IT, so you get the CARE.

I think state government would do a better job than the federal government.

The problem with PRIVATE insurance is it's PROFIT DRIVEN.

I had private insurance, and when I needed it, it wasn't there. Not only did I get stuck with a huge bill, I didn't get the treatment I NEEDED which I ASKED FOR and WHICH WAS CHEAPER.

Everybody gets sick and dies. It's not like FIRE INSURANCE. There shouldn't be a middle-man motivated by PROFIT.
chuckle

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 49548 12-16-2011 05:15 AM

dirtfarmer Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Absolutely no reason to stick that on an employer, not to mention the unemployed, disabled, elderly, etc.

As the rest of the world knows, Health CARE is the responsibility of the government.

Well I have been self employed the last 40 years, and have paid for my own insurance all the way. Why the hell should the Government pay for it?

How much did you pay when you started working, and how much do you pay now? You probably started paying under the Lovapottamus's non-profit era Blue-Cross,Blue Shield and it wasn't much. Now it's probably huge. Imagine being a youngster starting out in the workforce, or unemployed, and having to come up with that kind of cash.

All of the westernized world has gov't sponsored health care, and we should too- you don't seem to give a damn about the unemployed, elderly, disabled, and children...I hope you're happy with yourself, I can tell you've been rewarding yourself often from the pickle jar Lmao