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<< Job 9:23 >> (King James Version) If the scourge slay suddenly, he [Yahweh] will laugh at the trial [suffering] of the innocent.

Laughing at the suffering of the innocent is an asshole thing to do. Period.

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So Job said to Yahweh NO WAY JESUS way the FREEWAY not the Highway YAHWEH to HELL!

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<< Job 9:23 >> (King James Version) If the scourge slay suddenly, he [Yahweh] will laugh at the trial [suffering] of the innocent.

Laughing at the suffering of the innocent is an asshole thing to do. Period.

All signs point to "alien". It's not like they are much different than humans. f*ck all, not only do we let murderers walk from prison we give them a f*cking million dollar book deal. Then we put innocent dudes in prison for tens of years then make them pay the bill for their housing.

Push comes to shove I'd rather hang around with the "aliens" even if they ain't God(s) at least I'd f*cking learn something...

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So Job said to Yahweh NO WAY JESUS way the FREEWAY not the Highway YAHWEH to HELL!

Nah...wasn't Job's God Jehovah? Even if you claim Yahweh is Jehovah (a far stretch)...they acted MUCH differently, Christians believe that "Jesus" IS Yahweh incarnate (despite the fact that Yahweh already was incarnate around Moses' time, so much so that he lived on earth) so if you don't like Yahweh's behavior you're knocking both your God and your savior.

That is called INSANITY but clearly the cloth with which the God-less pagans have constructed Christianity from the bones of tammuz. You know why Christians eat ham on easter? Because tammuz was mauled by a boar on that day. Enjoy! I'm not shitting you, you can look it up.

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So Job said to Yahweh NO WAY JESUS way the FREEWAY not the Highway YAHWEH to HELL!

Nah...wasn't Job's God Jehovah? Even if you claim Yahweh is Jehovah (a far stretch)...they acted MUCH differently, Christians believe that "Jesus" IS Yahweh incarnate (despite the fact that Yahweh already was incarnate around Moses' time, so much so that he lived on earth) so if you don't like Yahweh's behavior you're knocking both your God and your savior.

That is called INSANITY but clearly the cloth with which the God-less pagans have constructed Christianity from the bones of tammuz. You know why Christians eat ham on easter? Because tammuz was mauled by a boar on that day. Enjoy! I'm not shitting you, you can look it up.

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[quote='Paddington Bear' pid='2996949' dateline='1331867259']
So Job said to Yahweh NO WAY JESUS way the FREEWAY not the Highway YAHWEH to HELL!

Nah...wasn't Job's God Jehovah? Even if you claim Yahweh is Jehovah (a far stretch)...they acted MUCH differently, Christians believe that "Jesus" IS Yahweh incarnate (despite the fact that Yahweh already was incarnate around Moses' time, so much so that he lived on earth) so if you don't like Yahweh's behavior you're knocking both your God and your savior.

That is called INSANITY but clearly the cloth with which the God-less pagans have constructed Christianity from the bones of tammuz. You know why Christians eat ham on easter? Because tammuz was mauled by a boar on that day. Enjoy! I'm not shitting you, you can look it up.

I have no idea whom Job called his God. All I know is Job sounds cool and all these names of gods are confusing and have been twisted in all sorts of way.
So Ill go with Job was an awesome dude he seems like a righteous dude and doesnt get all the limelight as all the incarnations in the books. Because the limelight usually gets killed

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[quote='Paddington Bear' pid='2996949' dateline='1331867259']
So Job said to Yahweh NO WAY JESUS way the FREEWAY not the Highway YAHWEH to HELL!

Nah...wasn't Job's God Jehovah? Even if you claim Yahweh is Jehovah (a far stretch)...they acted MUCH differently, Christians believe that "Jesus" IS Yahweh incarnate (despite the fact that Yahweh already was incarnate around Moses' time, so much so that he lived on earth) so if you don't like Yahweh's behavior you're knocking both your God and your savior.

That is called INSANITY but clearly the cloth with which the God-less pagans have constructed Christianity from the bones of tammuz. You know why Christians eat ham on easter? Because tammuz was mauled by a boar on that day. Enjoy! I'm not shitting you, you can look it up.

Good point.

My bible search for 'Yahweh' yields this:

"Error during search of Bible, King James Version
Your simple query produced no results."

Jesus I know.
Jehovah I know.

Closest I see is this:

Psalms 68
[4] Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.

....Ham?

Did you say ham?!!

[enters trance-like state]

Mmmmmmm delish!
Yummmmmmy yummmmmmyy

Must go make ham samich...


Acts 10
[10] And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
[11] And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
[12] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
[13] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
[14] But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
[15] And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
[16] This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

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Nah...wasn't Job's God Jehovah? Even if you claim Yahweh is Jehovah (a far stretch)...they acted MUCH differently, Christians believe that "Jesus" IS Yahweh incarnate (despite the fact that Yahweh already was incarnate around Moses' time, so much so that he lived on earth) so if you don't like Yahweh's behavior you're knocking both your God and your savior.

That is called INSANITY but clearly the cloth with which the God-less pagans have constructed Christianity from the bones of tammuz. You know why Christians eat ham on easter? Because tammuz was mauled by a boar on that day. Enjoy! I'm not shitting you, you can look it up.

Good point.

My bible search for 'Yahweh' yields this:

"Error during search of Bible, King James Version
Your simple query produced no results."

Jesus I know.
Jehovah I know.

Closest I see is this:

Psalms 68
[4] Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.

....Ham?

Did you say ham?!!

[enters trance-like state]

Mmmmmmm delish!
Yummmmmmy yummmmmmyy

Must go make ham samich...


Acts 10
[10] And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
[11] And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
[12] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
[13] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
[14] But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
[15] And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
[16] This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

Well...the deal is that around moses' time God (on the mount) called himself Yahweh. Prior he was called (or called himself) Jehovah. They both act very different; Jehovah had disdain for humanity while Yahweh was fairly neutral. I assume they are two different people based on certain biblical/historical information (at least in hebrew) such as calling "God" el (Jehovah) (singular) and mentioning the elohim (plural). The implication is that "el" was one of many; a species (probably the leader). The implication of that is that they could very well be different entities because if they needed to reproduce that would generally mean they're mortal to propagate their species.

I'm not sure that I can believe what is in books written by (basically) pagans for the spread of their proto-empire, however I view most of the non-character related stuff (x happened) historical, not really literal but fairly literal. To view the bible (OT and books of that time) as simply a religious book is a mistake. View the religious stuff from the point of view of people without technology and you'll understand what they're talking about.

Who do I think are the elohim? Well they were/are often called the "watchers" and apparently the word grigori means "those who watch". That would generally mean the elohim are the grigori. The grigori are what are considered "aliens" (or at least I consider them that).

I don't talk about it a lot but the moses story has a bunch of tells: 1)radiation poisoning, 2)God's "glory", 3)invisible but there and talking, 4)parting of the seas. There are others.

Ahah!

I see why my search missed 'Yahweh'

JEHOVAH--YAHWEH.....Genesis 2:4
a reference to God's divine salvation.

Truth is the King James 'translated' this to 'LORD God'...which is correct.

'Jehovah-Yahweh' is the original Hebrew. Nowhere does this say that there is a separation of Jehovah and Yahweh though. These two words connect as one...not two separate Gods. It is a desciptive name system God established for himself to display the attribute of his nature that he wished to convey at that particular verse of scripture...it needs it's context to give deeper meaning for the particular verse. And the Authorized (KJV) is in no way 'mistranslated' either.

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In what context do you read the Levitical rules which command women leave civilization during their period of menstruation not to return until they have performed a cleansing ritual which includes the sacrifice of doves?

Many societies had similar rules about menstruation. I know of Native American tribes along the PNW that had special dwellings for women to stay during their menses.

While I don't quite understand the need for the cleansing sacrifice of the doves, which was similar to other procedures in the cleansing of blood issue and skin disorders, I do know that in that culture married women were pregnant more than they weren't so the issue did not come up as often as it would in our society today.

I would imagine that many of the women would have been quite happy to have a break from the drudgery of everyday life in those times during their period.