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Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 04-25-2012 11:00 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

Zero is a man-made concept that is not real and doesn't reflect anything real. It's first introduction into civilization did not come without much resistance. But there is no such thing as zero. Everything is something.

Now we see how easy it is just to add some more zeros and the problems it causes.

Zero has morphed into a multi-roll meaning..

currently it is used for:

1) Representing nothing remaining as an "accountant (bean counter) tool

2) It is a mathematical "place holder" (place mat) for cycles of 1-9, using the postfix direction rule (right to left)

3) Zero represents "entropy" (order), as it shows no place left to go in the equation, no value left to work out, and no anomalies that have to be taken into account, it is the oldest of "old school" thinking..

But that leads to a problem with entropy itself, a confusion, that has many just ignoring this altogether, because there are actually two states of entropy..

1) True Entropy, a state where no matter, energy, or dimension is in a state of movement (flux), this is of course BS, because nothing can ever be stopped from "moving", because it would require all the energy, matter, and dimensions to "acquire" that state, thus everything would cease to exist (a little factoid that is glossed over by many researchers)

2) Variably Assigned State of Entropy or VASE.. this is a far more accurate description for entropy, at it details the "Observer" as part of the solution, and the "problem", because any observation made that entails zero as the major component, is an act of using VASE as the primary..

YOU do see where confusion has been sown into the very fabric of mathematics right?..

Quantified Zero quite simply "Solves" for this confusion, and allows zero to actually do "work" thus being bale to be added, subtracted, divided, and multiplied, while "retaining" the previously mentioned definitions when one wants to do elementary 2D archaic mathematical principles...

**Ahriman**

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Arch Phoenix Wrote:
5/0 isnt zero...

Zero is not a number so anything divided by zero is unaffected. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.

There is no spoon!
and zero is Undefined; It dose not exists.

It is a circle which is cyclical rebirth. A placeholder. Equal to infinity.

Cheers

Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 04-25-2012 11:13 AM

AtomIcarus Wrote:

Well it sure isn't simple. It sounds like you put it through a mathematical confiscator.

No.. what I did, was "removed" the obfuscation you are talking about, I repaired the basic mathematics, specifically the flaw with subtraction operator (which asks you to ignore) and showed exactly how you can make zero do actual work "itself", while still remaining valid as a decimal place holder for cycles of 1-9..

When zero can be made to do work (be quantified) and thus you are able to add, subtract, multiply, and divide zero, what limits of application are there?...

None.. (save the imagination of the user)

Do you know how many DOD nimrods would have given their right, left, and "pole" to just be able to have turned this into a black project?...

Imagine programming based upon "predictive behavior" in an unpredictable environment? (i.e. chaos before order as a constant, the very paradox turned on it's ear)

You do not have to do anything with this, (that is your choice) but I am always posting this, and I will continue to do so, as the processes are truly reliable as a "physical example"..

All you have to do is build one, and (BTW) it is logarithmic, so the translations to logic gates is less then a nanosecond for inspiration (hint)

**AtomIcarus**

Pi Wrote:

AtomIcarus Wrote:
Well it sure isn't simple. It sounds like you put it through a mathematical confiscator.

No.. what I did, was "removed" the obfuscation you are talking about, I repaired the basic mathematics, specifically the flaw with subtraction operator (which asks you to ignore) and showed exactly how you can make zero do actual work "itself", while still remaining valid as a decimal place holder for cycles of 1-9..

When zero can be made to do work (be quantified) and thus you are able to add, subtract, multiply, and divide zero, what limits of application are there?...

None.. (save the imagination of the user)

Do you know how many DOD nimrods would have given their right, left, and "pole" to just be able to have turned this into a black project?...

Imagine programming based upon "predictive behavior" in an unpredictable environment? (i.e. chaos before order as a constant, the very paradox turned on it's ear)

You do not have to do anything with this, (that is your choice) but I am always posting this, and I will continue to do so, as the processes are truly reliable as a "physical example"..

All you have to do is build one, and (BTW) it is logarithmic, so the translations to logic gates is less then a nanosecond for inspiration (hint)

Ok thanks op. I'll have to look at it again tomorrow because I can't view it on my tablet and that's all I have with me. Good night.

Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 04-25-2012 11:30 AM

Ahriman Wrote:

It is a circle which is cyclical rebirth. A placeholder. Equal to infinity.

One problem.. there is no such thing as a true "completed circle"

Yes you can draw one on a piece of paper, hold this up for all to see, yet the actual transcription of that circle, the act of doing so, it's "history" itself, is not truly a "circle" but instead an open coil, that you are viewing on that paper, from one exacting angle, and are thus "fooled" into believing that it is indeed a "true circle"..

The difference?

An open coil, is far more "accurate", it denotes "change" as a constant, takes into account the 5th dimension (which is arbitrary movement omnidirectionally), while a "closed loop" denotes death, decay, degradation, and destabilization as a constant.

Closed loop is humanities foolish attempt to try and control "true entropy" when in fact, humanity will never have the chance to make that happen, as all would cease to exist if that was the case..

IN the old B.C. days, the symbol for this was not a closed loop, (one of a snake eating his tail), but rather of one with a small "gap" between the head, and the tail itself (denoting a constant in "change")

Infinity?... chuckle

Infinities would be more accurate of a statement, but this thread is over Quantified Zero (QZ) not "QI"

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 49554 04-25-2012 12:02 PM

1+0=1
0+1=1

1-0=1
0-1=-1

1*0=0
0*1=0

1/0=∞
0/1=0

Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 04-25-2012 07:33 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

1+0=1
0+1=1

1-0=1
0-1=-1

1*0=0
0*1=0

1/0=∞
0/1=0

Actually, you are still thinking in 2D terms, using the archaic and outdated means to work zero "and", you are still using a flawed operator as well (subtracter)..

I get this very argument all the time, when in fact the logic you present "may" seem sound, but is in fact very flawed to begin with..

A more correct way to represent this would be:

1+0=∞[1]
0+1=∞[1]

1-0=∞[1]
0-1=∞[-1]

1*0=∞[0]
0*1=∞[0]

1/0=∞[^∞]
0/1=∞[0^∞]

Of course, you would have to be willing to actually "examine" the flaws in the basic five (add, subtract, multiply, divide, and equal), and I can assure you, I am actually "avoiding" the subject matter to a large degree, as to not cause discernment among those that think mathematics is an example of "flawless logic"... chuckle

I am only working the subtraction operator problem, and the confusion of zero itself, by repairing the damage done to them in logical analysis, which lead to a device, that you can build, to demonstrate the repair work, and at the same moment, be able to add, subtract, multiply, and divide zero, while still giving the "old grandpa way" a means to deal with this concept on their own turf..

You can show that elementary and archaic example all day, but it will never change what it is in "physical reality", by logical deductive reasoning..

A flawed system of mathematics, that is rotten at the very core..

It is time for a change, a paradigm shift that reexamines "all" that we have done in the course of becoming a society, and when you do this, you will find many flaws, that need to be reexamined (such as the basic five)...

Time to come out of the dark ages...