Post: #46

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Are programs real? They are part of reality.

Are they physical? No.

So are simple programs forms of rudimentary ideas? Is a simple biological program, if x then y, if A then fire these neurons, a rudimentary idea? Is that the dividing line between physical reality and mental reality, our biological programming?

If our minds are continued on, after death, which I feel they are because of an experience of mine, is our biological programming echoed by a copy made in a nonperishable energy, and upon death, is our mind continued, or is our mind actually the energy itself, and is merely tied to this physical place holder? If so, there would be no discontinuity of our existence. Therefore, we would never truly cease to exist, even upon death, unless that energy had its pattern erased, ie, Gehenna, for the truly sick and unsavable.

We are on very similar wavelengths, I find this rare.

I am and have been dabbling with escaping the matrix, saying no the program. Making it play by my rules when necessary.
A work in progress.

On occasion I have been outside and have some ideas on realities and programing.
Existence is eternal, reality is very bendy at times.

If you look for answers within this reality/matrix you will never find the answers to them, they will go on forever, one will lead to the next and on and on, it is constructed like this on purpose.

At a certain point some leaps of faith and belief are required to get "outside"
Our current science is incapable of this, philosophy on the other hand is capable of thinking outside the box.
But you have to master your mind, every facet and be in control of your perceptions or risk utter madness.
To get out you must be prepared to let go of everything utterly but retain yourself.
Good fun!

Post: #47

Thanks 70158 for helping flesh out some of these ideas, it is nice to know it isn't just me who thinks these things. I appreciate it, good mind expanding things.
I have some pressing business, But I will return later to see if we can break some more holes in the matrix.
K.

Post: #48

Thanks to you too, you've helped me clarify some things about mind and reality.

I agree that reality is bendable, but as to who is actually doing the bending, me, or the ones above who run this matrix, that is my current dilemma.

Also, I am lost as to why one would wish to leave this matrix? If you mean this cruel world, then, yes, I wish to leave it or change it for the better, but as to the matrix as a whole, what would I be leaving, if not leaving one matrix for yet another matrix? And would the injustice of that higher matrix not make me want to leave it as well?

I guess it depends upon one's goals. My goal is not to be a God, but to be a person that I respect and one that can defend himself from the maliciousness of others. I've been exposed to quite a bit of maliciousness lately.

Other than that, I'm quite happy to be an any matrix that allows for me to learn, grow, and love at my own pace.

Post: #49

Back to consciousness....

Is consciousness the same thing as self-awareness?

Quote:Self-awareness is the capacity for introspection and the ability to reconcile oneself as an individual separate from the environment and other individuals. Self-awareness, though similar to sentience in concept, includes the experience of the self, and has been argued as implicit to the hard problem of consciousness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-awareness

Quote:Through consciousness, one can have knowledge of the external world or one’s own mental states....

.....It might seem that “conscious” is synonymous with, say, “awareness” or “experience” or “attention.” However, it is crucial to recognize that this is not generally accepted today. For example, though perhaps somewhat atypical, one might hold that there are even unconscious experiences, depending of course on how the term “experience” is defined (Carruthers 2000).

http://www.iep.utm.edu/consciou/

I believe we are speaking mostly about self-awareness. And as we pointed out, self-awareness relies upon references, or understood pieces of evidence that points to a conclusion, these references lead to the conclusion that one is in existence, one lives, one is alive, one thinks, one simply is. I am.

These references must be part of a system that has at least two facets. One being the observer, and one being the observed. One can only observe themselves if there are opportunities to do so, and these only form in the presence of an environment that allows for the individuation of the observer from what is being observed.

What this means is that the mind must either be in an environment that is not itself, or must have created one within that is not itself, in those two places alone, can a primal mind become aware of itself by interactions with scenarios that show itself to be unique to something else.

The question then becomes, are there levels of self awareness that are basically founded upon the level of differentiation between the observer and the objects or minds in the environments? I think we can say that this is very logical.

As the environment becomes more foreign, or 'not like self', the more the observer has the opportunity to see what 'itself is like'. It could see similarities or contraries, but the more the environment changes, the more the mind can sense what it is because of the build up of evidence as to what it is not, and what is like.

Add to this the introduction of other minds to the environment, and the mind can build an even higher level of self-awareness, especially if there is more and more advanced communication and interaction between the two. Then add good, hot sex to the equation, and you've got the makings of a great porno.

So, to chart it, it would look like this:

Level one consciousness: Mind placed in simple environment where simple contrasts and similarities are observed between the observer and the environment.

Level two consciousness: Mind placed in more advanced environment where complex contrasts and similarities are observed between the observer and the environment.

Level three consciousness: Mind placed in even more advanced environment where another proto-mind is formed, or actual mind exists and simple contrasts and similarities are observed between the observer and the environment and the other mind.

Level four consciousness: Mind placed in environment with an equal or more advanced mind, and observations are made of self through constrasts and similarities.

Level five consciousness: Mind understands itself to be unique, due to interactions with environment and other minds, and learns to interact with those minds.

Level six consciousness: Mind understands itself to be unique and learns to interact with another or other minds in a beneficial relationship.

Level seven consciousness: Mind understands itself to be unique, and understands others to be unique, has beneficial relationships and with other minds, and begins to perceive how other minds perceive it. In other words, it understand how others view it. It can see itself from another mind's point of view.

Level eight consciousness: Mind can relate to others beneficially, see how others perceive it, and can see how it relates to the whole of its perceived environment on a philosophical level.

Level nine consciousness: Mind can relate to others beneficially, see how others perceive it, relate to the environment on a philosophical level and a moral level, good of the many is more valuable than the good of the few...but sometimes, the good of the one is more valuable than the good of the many, when time becomes a factor. Twenty soldiers risk their lives to save one man who they know will become a very great president who will save the world in the future.

Level ten consciousness: Mind perceives all these factors listed above, but also has the ability to interact with more than one mind at the same time, or nearly simultaneously.

Level eleven consciousness: Mind can interact with every other mind at the same time in its environment, whether internal or external.

I guess what I propose is that consciousness is mind that is self-aware, and advanced consciousness is mind that is not only self-aware, but other-aware as well, and that there are advanced levels of such awareness.

That's my 2 cents worth.

Post: #50

ben kenobi  Wrote:

how does it work?

It's built by both your experiences and genetic heritage. Meaning it's both nature and nurture.

This is my opinion. I believe that there are things you know that you've never learned...at least for some people, most animals, and most insects.

Post: #51

LoP Guest  Wrote:

ben kenobi  Wrote:

how does it work?

It's built by both your experiences and genetic heritage. Meaning it's both nature and nurture.

This is my opinion. I believe that there are things you know that you've never learned...at least for some people, most animals, and most insects.

I totally lost the point until you posted this. lol.

How does it work, in humans:

My theory,

On a higher realm in another matrix, energy blanks are extended to this lower or inside matrix where it is bonded with human brains, and as they develop, they shape and form the patterns in the primal energy blank that is part of both matrices. When we die, that extension is taken back up, and we are allowed to see the upper matrix and be there more fully.

Post: #52

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Thanks to you too, you've helped me clarify some things about mind and reality.

I agree that reality is bendable, but as to who is actually doing the bending, me, or the ones above who run this matrix, that is my current dilemma.

Also, I am lost as to why one would wish to leave this matrix? If you mean this cruel world, then, yes, I wish to leave it or change it for the better, but as to the matrix as a whole, what would I be leaving, if not leaving one matrix for yet another matrix? And would the injustice of that higher matrix not make me want to leave it as well?

I guess it depends upon one's goals. My goal is not to be a God, but to be a person that I respect and one that can defend himself from the maliciousness of others. I've been exposed to quite a bit of maliciousness lately.

Other than that, I'm quite happy to be an any matrix that allows for me to learn, grow, and love at my own pace.

What do you do when you have finished?

When you have seen the end result of all materialism?

When you have finished your lessons of understanding you leave.

If you were inside a system of control and you never knew you would never try and break free.

What happens when you are sick of being food for something else?

You can't fill what you desire with materialism. If you try it never ends and the more you struggle the deeper you get.

What is it you really want?
What is it that drives you?

What do you do when you get over yourself?

A splinter in your mind.

There is nothing here that satisfies and there never will be.

You have consciousness, you are.

Is there something you are looking for?
Can you find it?

A part of your mind is imprinted by the current apparent conditions. Many lifetimes.
If we do nothing now what will your next lifetime be like? This is where we are as humanity.

You will become the eternal prisoner in a system of utter control you will be born into with no chance of finding the escape.
You will be told everything is already known, there is nothing else and you won't look.
Game over.

You aren't supposed to know the truth. The truth will set you free.

In the game we play moves are being made all of the time.

Player or pawn?

Your choice.

Post: #53

The Lucky AC  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Thanks to you too, you've helped me clarify some things about mind and reality.

I agree that reality is bendable, but as to who is actually doing the bending, me, or the ones above who run this matrix, that is my current dilemma.

Also, I am lost as to why one would wish to leave this matrix? If you mean this cruel world, then, yes, I wish to leave it or change it for the better, but as to the matrix as a whole, what would I be leaving, if not leaving one matrix for yet another matrix? And would the injustice of that higher matrix not make me want to leave it as well?

I guess it depends upon one's goals. My goal is not to be a God, but to be a person that I respect and one that can defend himself from the maliciousness of others. I've been exposed to quite a bit of maliciousness lately.

Other than that, I'm quite happy to be an any matrix that allows for me to learn, grow, and love at my own pace.

What do you do when you have finished?

When you have seen the end result of all materialism?

When you have finished your lessons of understanding you leave.

If you were inside a system of control and you never knew you would never try and break free.

What happens when you are sick of being food for something else?

You can't fill what you desire with materialism. If you try it never ends and the more you struggle the deeper you get.

What is it you really want?
What is it that drives you?

What do you do when you get over yourself?

A splinter in your mind.

There is nothing here that satisfies and there never will be.

You have consciousness, you are.

Is there something you are looking for?
Can you find it?

A part of your mind is imprinted by the current apparent conditions. Many lifetimes.
If we do nothing now what will your next lifetime be like? This is where we are as humanity.

You will become the eternal prisoner in a system of utter control you will be born into with no chance of finding the escape.
You will be told everything is already known, there is nothing else and you won't look.
Game over.

You aren't supposed to know the truth. The truth will set you free.

In the game we play moves are being made all of the time.

Player or pawn?

Your choice.

How many points of view can you see right now?

I was watching the new Sherlock Holmes movie, and realized that there were conspiracy peeps watching this movie who thought it was telling them that the global elite that meet in Sweeden each year really was going to be killed off in one big explosion as many threads have mentioned, and the movie was an insider's message affirming that.

But then, I also saw the Masons' point of view, they were seeing the lipstick on Sherlock Holmes face reminiscent of the Joker in the Dark Knight Series, which had a movie trailer before this very movie, and seeing Sherlock Holmes as representing the trickster God, and Watson as themselves. God in this movie asks the question, a nearly direct quote from the movie, "Is it really better to live in purgatory, or to die alone?" To be or not to be?

Then I saw it from my point of view, Demons and Angels.

Then I saw it from my wife's point of view, who, fifteen minutes into the movie, actually fell asleep. She had no idea of the undercurrents in this movie.

Then I mentioned to her, "Notice the the color of Watson's Bride's Hair? Mostly red. The Lady in Red, either a seductress or savior, a siren of doom, or bringer of illumination in occult circles." She smirked. I saw a spark of light in her eyes before it faded and she went to sleep again.

Your point of view is one that feels the need to individuate and achieve. My point of view, or goal, rather, is to bond, and build long lasting relationships, and for two very good reasons, one, I like it. Two, it helps a person survive eternity, no matter what matrix you end up in. Loneliness will kill you a lot faster than boredom.

Post: #54

Loneliness will kill you a lot faster than boredom.

Yes that is why we glowed bright in the darkness of nothingness and attracted others of our kind. Then we chose to vibrate in time with each other and form the first group reality.
From individuals amongst the nothingness with no form but pure mind and concepts. Without order nothing would stay together long enough.
So then the mind built things from order within itself, played with concepts and rules.

Chaos and order.
Freewill VS nowill.

A million ways to waste your time in eternity.

The greatest machine ever built they called it, the reality machine. The Matrix.

But it wasn't just us alone in the great nothingness.
Every different phase in the loop can be occupied.
We make emotions. Food for some.

A system infiltrated, at the mind, and the mind must never know.

There is more. It is your choice. Look at all the pretty pointless things to distract you.
Modern day is intoxicating with its distractions. All pointless once you have grown up.
Chase the tail you will never catch it.

A sneaky trap.

What to do?

Post: #55

The Lucky AC  Wrote:

Loneliness will kill you a lot faster than boredom.

Yes that is why we glowed bright in the darkness of nothingness and attracted others of our kind. Then we chose to vibrate in time with each other and form the first group reality.
From individuals amongst the nothingness with no form but pure mind and concepts. Without order nothing would stay together long enough.
So then the mind built things from order within itself, played with concepts and rules.

Chaos and order.
Freewill VS nowill.

A million ways to waste your time in eternity.

The greatest machine ever built they called it, the reality machine. The Matrix.

But it wasn't just us alone in the great nothingness.
Every different phase in the loop can be occupied.
We make emotions. Food for some.

A system infiltrated, at the mind, and the mind must never know.

There is more. It is your choice. Look at all the pretty pointless things to distract you.
Modern day is intoxicating with its distractions. All pointless once you have grown up.
Chase the tail you will never catch it.

A sneaky trap.

What to do?

Be a player or be played...

A sneaky trap....

Your world view is rather negative, did you know that?

My world view is one where this is a playground for minds to be born and grow up. There is no reincarnation because we don't need it. Reincarnation, in fact, is the death of a personality or a mind, not the rebirth of a mind. If a God created beings so that it wasn't alone, creating beings that went through a mind-wipe every 70 years or so would not be very helpful.

My view of life is a little less demonic. I know there is a benevolent God, but he does like to play, he can even play rough, but he is not evil. If he started doing malicious things, like forcing people to undergo reincarnation, mind-wipes, he wouldn't be the kind of God that had survived this long. Evil always self-destructs, always.

I do, though, understand where the urge to believe in reincarnation comes from. It comes from the desire to be born again and held in the arms of an all accepting, all embracing, all innocent mother. Reincarnation is the hope of being an infant again, of starting new and fresh, of not having to worry or work or be responsible for anyone, not even one's self, especially not one's self.

No demon and no gnostic, cobweb-filled mind will ever convince me that reincarnation, as is now being taught, is real or ever will be real.

Post: #56

LoP Guest  Wrote:

The Lucky AC  Wrote:

Loneliness will kill you a lot faster than boredom.

Yes that is why we glowed bright in the darkness of nothingness and attracted others of our kind. Then we chose to vibrate in time with each other and form the first group reality.
From individuals amongst the nothingness with no form but pure mind and concepts. Without order nothing would stay together long enough.
So then the mind built things from order within itself, played with concepts and rules.

Chaos and order.
Freewill VS nowill.

A million ways to waste your time in eternity.

The greatest machine ever built they called it, the reality machine. The Matrix.

But it wasn't just us alone in the great nothingness.
Every different phase in the loop can be occupied.
We make emotions. Food for some.

A system infiltrated, at the mind, and the mind must never know.

There is more. It is your choice. Look at all the pretty pointless things to distract you.
Modern day is intoxicating with its distractions. All pointless once you have grown up.
Chase the tail you will never catch it.

A sneaky trap.

What to do?

Be a player or be played...

A sneaky trap....

Your world view is rather negative, did you know that?

My world view is one where this is a playground for minds to be born and grow up. There is no reincarnation because we don't need it. Reincarnation, in fact, is the death of a personality or a mind, not the rebirth of a mind. If a God created beings so that it wasn't alone, creating beings that went through a mind-wipe every 70 years or so would not be very helpful.

My view of life is a little less demonic. I know there is a benevolent God, but he does like to play, he can even play rough, but he is not evil. If he started doing malicious things, like forcing people to undergo reincarnation, mind-wipes, he wouldn't be the kind of God that had survived this long. Evil always self-destructs, always.

I do, though, understand where the urge to believe in reincarnation comes from. It comes from the desire to be born again and held in the arms of an all accepting, all embracing, all innocent mother. Reincarnation is the hope of being an infant again, of starting new and fresh, of not having to worry or work or be responsible for anyone, not even one's self, especially not one's self.

No demon and no gnostic, cobweb-filled mind will ever convince me that reincarnation, as is now being taught, is real or ever will be real.

Look I can change my point of view whenever I want to, I can see all of the points of view.

What we chose to believe in becomes real for us.

We can change our mind any time we like, freewill, you have it, everyone does. But as soon as you believe in something to the point disbelieving all other possibilities you become a prisoner of your own consciousness.

I believe in possibilities.

Want to see how you have been trapped.
Go to the anybody seen the nines thread, watch the video about ego.

I can have any mindset I like.
But this is what I will tell you that turned me.

4 kids per week are kidnapped from Disney world Orlando Florida, they are never seem again.
Disney world Orlando Florida has the same rules as the Vatican, it is a country within a country. The FBI has a room full of file of missing kids from there and they aren't allowed to investigate.
Does that sound good to you?
A place where we can all grow up as minds?

I used to have rose colored glasses too.

I can change many things, everyone can. But to change things you have to acknowledge them first, if you think you are all good you will never change the dark, because you won't see it.

The first rule of overcoming addiction is to admit you have a problem or you can't change.

The world has a problem, but it can't admit it, so there is no change.

The change starts with you.

Someone gave you freewill, someone else wants to take it.

Post: #57

Forgive me, please, of accusing you of being demonically influenced. The simple truth is that, no matter what your influences are, we have grown to place different values on the situations and objects, and minds in our environment.

I will list the things I value, and why, and you can judge your value system by mine, not that it should be as mine is, but so that you can see where our differences exist, and why they exist.

I value life greatly, especially the livelihood of the Jewel.

The Jewel is Everything, God, you, me, everyone, every universe, every world, every thing, all wrapped up in one word, a Jewel, or, Existence itself.

I believe one must protect and support the things one loves. I believe that God needs our support and that it is a blessing to just be alive in this existence with God in this Jewel.

I value wisdom.

I value Love.

I value Joy.

I value friendship, deep friendship, especially. I believe that loneliness is the heart killer, and boredom the mind killer. Maybe, in a way, they are the same thing? I believe that without making at least a few deep bonds with others, that we wither and die inside, and do not seek to live but to end our pain through absolute death of all that we are.

I value Play. I believe if people do not learn how to play, they will never be able to truly fight off boredom, and they will never learn how to experience the highest peaks of joy.

I value responsibility, because it helps secure the bonds between people. "He's not heavy, he's your brother..."

I value mercy above fairness.

I value time. I value it by soaking it up and wallowing in it.

I value freedom, which means that I value the ups and downs of life and the freedom others have to influence my life, however, I also value self-protection and the right to defend myself against the will of others who would do me harm.

I don't value being on top for the sake of being on top. I believe that the game children play, king of the mountain, should be left for the childish to play.

I don't value power for power's sake because at the height of power, one becomes everyone's guardian, what is there to do, but to guard or direct or push or pull? I'd rather they learn to guard themselves and to direct themselves. This gives me more time to play.

I don't value greed. I do value desire. When desire becomes greed, you betray a part of life that was a blessing and make yourself its slave.

All that being said, I do realize I have things I value, but do not put forth the effort or work on the mind-set that would support it.

For instance, I don't value looks, I don't judge others by how they look, but I do want to look good, or at least, not look so bad that I'm rejected by others easily. Which means that I value the opinion of others in that regard too much, even though I don't want to value it. Of course that comes from be desperate for love, but it is still a situation that causes conflict within my value system.

I know being desperate for love may seem to be something not to value, but sometimes I wonder if God would still be here if he wasn't, at one time, long ago, also desperate for love, or company, for that matter?

While being desperate for love sucks, it does help to make me work harder for healthy bonds, even if some negative consequences come from that desire in other ways.

I'm not just excusing myself. I'm being honest there. I'd rather be desperate for companionship than not wanting companionship, because then I'd be headed down the road of detachment which leads to a rejection of others and the desire to be perfect which leads to self-destruction, little by little.

Post: #58

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Forgive me, please, of accusing you of being demonically influenced. The simple truth is that, no matter what your influences are, we have grown to place different values on the situations and objects, and minds in our environment.

I will list the things I value, and why, and you can judge your value system by mine, not that it should be as mine is, but so that you can see where our differences exist, and why they exist.

I value life greatly, especially the livelihood of the Jewel.

The Jewel is Everything, God, you, me, everyone, every universe, every world, every thing, all wrapped up in one word, a Jewel, or, Existence itself.

I believe one must protect and support the things one loves. I believe that God needs our support and that it is a blessing to just be alive in this existence with God in this Jewel.

I value wisdom.

I value Love.

I value Joy.

I value friendship, deep friendship, especially. I believe that loneliness is the heart killer, and boredom the mind killer. Maybe, in a way, they are the same thing? I believe that without making at least a few deep bonds with others, that we wither and die inside, and do not seek to live but to end our pain through absolute death of all that we are.

I value Play. I believe if people do not learn how to play, they will never be able to truly fight off boredom, and they will never learn how to experience the highest peaks of joy.

I value responsibility, because it helps secure the bonds between people. "He's not heavy, he's your brother..."

I value mercy above fairness.

I value time. I value it by soaking it up and wallowing in it.

I value freedom, which means that I value the ups and downs of life and the freedom others have to influence my life, however, I also value self-protection and the right to defend myself against the will of others who would do me harm.

I don't value being on top for the sake of being on top. I believe that the game children play, king of the mountain, should be left for the childish to play.

I don't value power for power's sake because at the height of power, one becomes everyone's guardian, what is there to do, but to guard or direct or push or pull? I'd rather they learn to guard themselves and to direct themselves. This gives me more time to play.

I don't value greed. I do value desire. When desire becomes greed, you betray a part of life that was a blessing and make yourself its slave.

All that being said, I do realize I have things I value, but do not put forth the effort or work on the mind-set that would support it.

For instance, I don't value looks, I don't judge others by how they look, but I do want to look good, or at least, not look so bad that I'm rejected by others easily. Which means that I value the opinion of others in that regard too much, even though I don't want to value it. Of course that comes from be desperate for love, but it is still a situation that causes conflict within my value system.

I know being desperate for love may seem to be something not to value, but sometimes I wonder if God would still be here if he wasn't, at one time, long ago, also desperate for love, or company, for that matter?

While being desperate for love sucks, it does help to make me work harder for healthy bonds, even if some negative consequences come from that desire in other ways.

I'm not just excusing myself. I'm being honest there. I'd rather be desperate for companionship than not wanting companionship, because then I'd be headed down the road of detachment which leads to a rejection of others and the desire to be perfect which leads to self-destruction, little by little.

I don't judge.
It makes you a prisoner of you mind.
I try and maintain my flexibility of thought and will.

I observe, and I observe my own reactions, and I ask why?
Then I try and free myself of all that binds me.

It is quite a mission, fighting your own ego, but how do you think we got suckered in.

"I bet you, you can't beat me" Does that sound like an offer you can't refuse, it did to me once, and here I am learning from my own mistake.

I am happy, I have been married for 15 years, I have kids.
I'm not interested in my user name because that might inflate my ego.
I am just a guide for others, I need nothing more of this place for myself, but I still worry about others.

I wouldn't say I am right or wrong, a part of my would like to.

When you love something so much you can't let go it makes a prisoner of you.

I didn't mind what you said, I can see your point of view.

Forgiveness is the only way forward for all of us.

Post: #59

This is such a tiny slice of the universe. To judge all of it, and the higher realms based on what our childish species does to itself is not logical, is it?

There are worse things than what you described that have happened, and will happen on this planet. Yet, the God who made us, put in shock absorbers, both mental and physical, that prevent us from experiencing things that are too extreme for us to survive.

Yet, some of us are very strong, and survive more than we think, and God knows, because of his ability to view time here at a quicker rate than where he is in the above matrix, that we not only came out of it okay, we gained from it.

Torture of any kind is repugnant to me. Yet, when I was young, I tortured little things, not humans, but I am not a monster, and I do not do that, nor wish to do that ever again.

We are a work in progress. And like all kids, we can be very sweet and we can be very, very ugly. Let's face it, even some of the angels are still kids and do some of the same cruel things we did or still do.

We have to forgive.

Personally, one of the few reasons I wanted to know so much was so that I could protect myself from those detached and/or childish torturers, be they human or angel. But in truth, it's hard for me, sometimes, to see evil men as the children that they are.

My best lesson in life was when I began asking myself, how does God see this? Seeing things from his point of view changes you in immensely.

Someone taught you a non-evolution based Godhead. Because of that, you seem to believe that there is no central driving force that is in control of everything. But I argue that our reality points to a evolution based Godhead, because if one person was not manifesting this reality, but several, then how could they keep actual chaos out of this reality?

I'm not talking about trouble, or disaster types of chaos. I'm talking about reality smashing chaos, like school buses popping out of nowhere and falling from the sky, or another planet suddenly parked next to our moon kind of chaos, or worse, a hole forming in reality itself, dissolving the universe at the rate of five galaxies a minute?

Our chaos is very regulated. It is obvious that we are in a 'safe zone' in this part of reality. I don't see a few, let along, several minds being able to patch up a piece of reality and making it safe from the outside forms of chaos which must have existed for existence itself to have been formed from.

It's all conjecture, but in my life, I've noticed a general principle.

We always find what we seek. I sought out a loving God. And I found one. I found a God who was not a dictator, who allowed me to be a monster for two years so that I would be a healer for the rest of my life these many years after.

This is why I value mercy above fairness. It was not fair to the creatures that I harmed, that I was not punished for what I did. But like other healers, I've helped many people. And if I had never been that monster, and those beings had never been hurt by me, then all those people I helped to heal would have never been healed by me, and maybe, never by anyone else, but I doubt that. I think God would have helped them one way or the other. But with his allowing for much freedom, I might not have ever been anything other than a monster, because I had the freedom to also ask for help, so I did, I asked for help, and he helped me, for free.

You say we can choose our reality? I don't believe that. But even if I wanted to, and tried, why would I choose to believe in a reality where there is no loving God? How would that benefit me or others? Do others count, in your world, or are they just points against a Christian God when they are hurt, and it is convenient to then consider them?

What is your goal when you escape this matrix? To come back and help others? If time is different in the higher matrix, and slower there, then here, and if you finally made it, and are now actually in that other matrix, even though now, you are just in the past, then why haven't you helped us from that higher realm? Why haven't you dictated our reality and stopped people from being monsters here?

Don't you care about us?

Surely someone has escaped this matrix and gotten to the upper realm? We know time is different there because of prophecy here. They give us prophecy, but what they do is they simply run a simulator to see what will happen in a thousand or so years. To them it is science, looking at best guess scenarios. To us, it is magic, psychic, etc...

It goes fast here, slow there.

Billions of years, and no one has stopped this horrible freedom we are experiencing? This freedom to be demonic or saintly?

Why didn't they? Why didn't those who escaped come back and stop this madness?

Why didn't you? You obviously had the drive. And according to you, the knowledge and skills. Why are you even here? Why haven't you pulled yourself out yet?

Why haven't you saved us?

Why didn't you save those creatures from me, long ago?

Post: #60

Once again, I ask forgiveness. I wrote this before reading your response.

I'm always in battle mode these days. I'm fighting those reality bending situations you talked about, and I don't know when to turn it off, because frankly, I don't know when the situation is part of their game, or just two people being allowed to talk freely of their circumstances.

I'm sorry.