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**The Lucky AC** Everything in life is luck User ID: 888 12-29-2011 06:54 AM

Desperado Wrote:

Lucky . . .

Your dreams are part of consciousness. The brain continues to fire while sleeping. It is the body that shuts off.

I agree totally.
I think that we are on a fixed frequency while we are awake.
When we are asleep we can roam frequencies switch and change things.
If i am dreaming and realize it I am able to control my environment and dream state, fast forward or rewind things, control the objects and personalities around me.
Historically this is called being a dream master.
I have had interesting experiences we can also change the waking dream we are in with a little practice I think.
If we all go in the same direction we can get what we want but at the present time we are in conflict with each other and at different points of our learning.
It is interesting to try and break reality [the matrix] some people do it without even knowing.

**AC488** I got no balls User ID: 488 12-29-2011 07:05 AM

Are we living in an illusion made real by our minds?

Or are we living in a Programmed Interactive Environment.

Do we have to find the solution to the puzzle to get to the next level and does it involve learning to control yourself to the most exacting degree.

A prison with an open door that we have to show our control to walk out, our control is the doorway.
Release all fear and hate and negativity and control yourself or be controlled and forever prisoner.

Beat the Matrix.

**Gotcha!**

The Lucky AC Wrote:

Desperado Wrote:
Lucky . . .

Your dreams are part of consciousness. The brain continues to fire while sleeping. It is the body that shuts off.

I agree totally.
I think that we are on a fixed frequency while we are awake.
When we are asleep we can roam frequencies switch and change things.
If i am dreaming and realize it I am able to control my environment and dream state, fast forward or rewind things, control the objects and personalities around me.
Historically this is called being a dream master.
I have had interesting experiences we can also change the waking dream we are in with a little practice I think.
If we all go in the same direction we can get what we want but at the present time we are in conflict with each other and at different points of our learning.
It is interesting to try and break reality [the matrix] some people do it without even knowing.

I have had some amazing dreams. I had a dream several months ago where I was fully engaged in the dream (not observing). I suspected that I was in a dream and demanded that I should wake. I waited in the dream to wake, and when it did not happen, I decided that the dream must be reality and started looking around.

I wonder why I was not able to wake. That is something that I would have liked to accomplish. Oh well, maybe next time I will become a dream master.

I believe that consciousness is oblivious except when it becomes engaged with bodily senses. That is why we are most in tune with the frequencies when we meditate into an out of the bodily realm.

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AC488 Wrote:

Are we living in an illusion made real by our minds?

Or are we living in a Programmed Interactive Environment.

Do we have to find the solution to the puzzle to get to the next level and does it involve learning to control yourself to the most exacting degree.

A prison with an open door that we have to show our control to walk out, our control is the doorway.
Release all fear and hate and negativity and control yourself or be controlled and forever prisoner.

Beat the Matrix.

I sometimes forget that we make ourselves a prisoner of our own thoughts and actions.

Thank you for sharing this statement. Heartflowers

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AC488 Wrote:

Are we living in an illusion made real by our minds?

Or are we living in a Programmed Interactive Environment.

Do we have to find the solution to the puzzle to get to the next level and does it involve learning to control yourself to the most exacting degree.

A prison with an open door that we have to show our control to walk out, our control is the doorway.
Release all fear and hate and negativity and control yourself or be controlled and forever prisoner.

Beat the Matrix.

Actually, the illusion is made real by our senses.

I do not believe that our goal should be to “beat” the matrix, but rather to come into harmony with it. This world is an illusion, just as our dreams are an illusion, and once we comprehend that, our consciousness is able to step beyond the illusion and learn some of the secrets of the matrix.

**The Lucky AC** Everything in life is luck User ID: 888 12-29-2011 07:41 AM

I believe that consciousness is oblivious except when it becomes engaged with bodily senses. That is why we are most in tune with the frequencies when we meditate into an out of the bodily realm.

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I think so as well.
I have had interesting experiences while taking LSD shifting my consciousness from the fixed frequency to others.
There is more than one reality, there maybe an infinite amount of them.
There is also a place outside of realities.
It could be that we each have our own reality and we are just blending them together on the same frequency.

I find I am fascinated with playing with the matrix, it interacts with our minds [consciousness] and is effected in return by our perceptions.
This results in the truth [that which we believe] and reality [that which is] being able to be different from each other.
But what which we believe can change reality, particularly if we all believe in the same thing.
Our minds are very flexible and so is reality at times. There have been many time which I have saved my life with nothing more than thinking and the power of mind showing me possibilities.

Great athletes who break world records always believe they could do it.
People couldn't break the four minute mile because it was thought to be impossible, until one trainer lied to his athlete to push him further.

Experiments in reality.
Everything is possible if you can control your belief.

**Gotcha!**

Lucky . . .

I agree with your thoughts.

It is possible that the illusion of this universe is holographic. There is something very interesting about a hologram. If you take the negative and cut it into small pieces, every piece will contain the whole. For me that means that we have much knowledge available once we step out of the confusion of the illusion and look at the whole.

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The Lucky AC Wrote:

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Desperado Wrote:
Here is my opinion . . .

Consciousness is the internal spark of energy that jump-starts the body into action and keeps it running. Death comes when the body is no longer able to sustain life. Since energy cannot be destroyed, that spark would continue to exist.

Wow, had exactly the same thought this week. Consciousness is a spark, like a spark plug. Sense data is the fuel, the mind an engine, to produce mental energy.

This is what stresses me, how I will maintain mental energy? My hunch is that excess fuel is everywhere, however, our minds are set-up to only notice novelty and embed what is already familiar. I'm putting it out there, if you can fight this process and 'see' novelty in the familiar, let your mind feedback on your surroundings, then you will have a lot more oomph.

Detaching consciousness from awareness seems to help.
I think consciousness and awareness are the same thing but you can tune you consciousness to notice or not notice things.
It is one of the objectives of meditation to block out your surroundings, to tune them out and then tune into other things in the universe other wavelengths.
And use you mind to create wavelengths like you do when you are communicating.

As you stated above, this is all conjecture, but while you initially state a position that awareness and consciousness are the same thing, you go on to say consciousness can 'tune out' or focus on other things. I agree with this.

Especially in meditation, my interpretation is that you are detaching consciousness from awareness. Consciousness becoming the third eye, able to access your awareness but 'from a distance'. Much of the time however, in day-to-day life, I think consciousness and awareness just sit over the top of each other, acting as one.

So, it's just semantics, if they are one thing or two seperate aspects of the mind.

BTW, lots of good stuff in this thread. Heartflowers

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Desperado Wrote:

Here is my opinion . . .

Consciousness is the internal spark of energy that jump-starts the body into action and keeps it running. Death comes when the body is no longer able to sustain life. Since energy cannot be destroyed, that spark would continue to exist.

I had a dream a long time ago that showed me our natural state. It's that "spark" that keeps the body alive. And it's like an electrical current. When it gets shut off, the body goes....but the current never dies or wanes.

**Skippy**

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The Lucky AC Wrote:
When you go to sleep how does it stop working?

And why?

I believe that we are all connected at the same time we are individual. Our conscious mind works as our more free and independent state and our subconscious is when the body and mind sleeps and we connect to the "one". Perhaps we are uploading and downloading information while we sleep? When we wake up, we go gather more information for the collective universal mind?

**The Lucky AC** Everything in life is luck User ID: 888 12-30-2011 06:42 AM

DOES THIS STICK? Wrote:

The Lucky AC Wrote:
DOES THIS STICK? Wrote:
Wow, had exactly the same thought this week. Consciousness is a spark, like a spark plug. Sense data is the fuel, the mind an engine, to produce mental energy.

This is what stresses me, how I will maintain mental energy? My hunch is that excess fuel is everywhere, however, our minds are set-up to only notice novelty and embed what is already familiar. I'm putting it out there, if you can fight this process and 'see' novelty in the familiar, let your mind feedback on your surroundings, then you will have a lot more oomph.

Detaching consciousness from awareness seems to help.
I think consciousness and awareness are the same thing but you can tune you consciousness to notice or not notice things.
It is one of the objectives of meditation to block out your surroundings, to tune them out and then tune into other things in the universe other wavelengths.
And use you mind to create wavelengths like you do when you are communicating.

As you stated above, this is all conjecture, but while you initially state a position that awareness and consciousness are the same thing, you go on to say consciousness can 'tune out' or focus on other things. I agree with this.

Especially in meditation, my interpretation is that you are detaching consciousness from awareness. Consciousness becoming the third eye, able to access your awareness but 'from a distance'. Much of the time however, in day-to-day life, I think consciousness and awareness just sit over the top of each other, acting as one.

So, it's just semantics, if they are one thing or two seperate aspects of the mind.

BTW, lots of good stuff in this thread.

Thanks for that idea, I always like more to think about.
In the past I have thought we are love, consciousness and belief somehow rolled into one.
Some of the concepts people think of are beyond current conventional language so you have to "get" what people mean when they have to use the limited words we have available.

It is nice to meet people who have a similar understanding and are able to help flesh out some possible ideas.

Cheers.

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The Lucky AC Wrote:

Thanks for that idea, I always like more to think about.
In the past I have thought we are love, consciousness and belief somehow rolled into one.
Some of the concepts people think of are beyond current conventional language so you have to "get" what people mean when they have to use the limited words we have available.

It is nice to meet people who have a similar understanding and are able to help flesh out some possible ideas.

Cheers.

Back at ya! I don't post much, but have been struck by how a few threads have resonated with me of late. Maybe part of something bigger?

Yes, language is very limiting. It's sad when people have arguments, basically believing the same things but fail to define their terms and end up going round in circles. And consensus when talking about consciousness is very illusive, and as you state, how much gets left out once things are reduced to terms?

But it is still wonderful to be able to talk about such things.

Love, consciousness and belief as one? The more I think about it the more it makes sense . . .

Depending on our energy levels, bio-chemical states etc we are prone to operating within certain patterns. When we are full of love, we operate on a very high plane, which seems to illuminates our consciousness and emboldens our belief. When we are flat, it's hard to break from lower neural patterns, gripped by our lesser angels. Without stimulus, our consciousness dims and belief is disgarded . . .maybe?

Ah, but now that I re-read your statement, I see you are talking about something bigger. What are we? Complex expressions of cause and effect? Was consciousness the first 'big play' on the cosmic chessboard?

It helps to believe in love and to love your beliefs. But consciousness is much more mysterious, and how it is linked to love and belief? I have no idea. But if you think we are love, consciousness and belief rolled into one, it's most certainly a beautiful belief.

**The Lucky AC** Everything in life is luck User ID: 888 12-30-2011 08:11 AM

It is kind of like what we notice we make happen. If we don't notice something it doesn't happen for us.

Hmm we start running out of words quite quickly when we start to approach the top end of things.

Love is sympathetic resonance, when you strike a tuning fork next to another one that is the same frequency it starts to vibrate also even though it is not touching.
In this way all of the similar wavelengths of the hologram vibrate and transmit energy/information to each other no matter where they may be in physical time and space.[this is a bit incomplete]

Every vibration produces related harmonics that are related to the fundamental vibration they interact with each other and the first vibration causing other frequencies called beat notes.

If you have a guitar string vibrating next to another one also vibrating they create a third vibration made of the over lapping nature of the first two vibration this third vibration isn't real, it is produced by two "real" vibrations and the human ear can perceive it.

When you apply this same theory to the vibrations of reality you can see things get complicated very quickly. Every same vibration is "telling" the other same frequency vibrations what it is doing no matter where it is in time/space.

This could be the nature by which we are all joined in some small way to each other.

There is another theory that says thoughts create vibration.

We create thoughts and ideas from nothing.

The things of the world around us we have made for ourselves are created from someones ideas made physical, once they could convey their idea to someone else and they could understand it in becomes real for someone else.

Because of my consciousness I am able to perceive things both real and ideas.
It is like I believe them into life for me, and if I can get someone else to perceive my idea it become perceived/real for them also.

Bizarre illusions at play within consciousnesses?

If you start thinking too hard about some of these ideas you are dabbling with madness itself.
The self reality of you own mind VS the sum of possibilities available.
Possible some more brain power required.

I know I'm real, I think you are real, everything between.... maybe just mental illusions at play for demonstration purposes.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 70158 12-30-2011 08:14 AM

Desperado Wrote:

Lucky . . .

Your dreams are part of consciousness. The brain continues to fire while sleeping. It is the body that shuts off.

Exactly. It holds our continuity.

If what made us who we are were to shut off completely, we would cease to exist. So, we dream.

**The Lucky AC** Everything in life is luck User ID: 888 12-30-2011 08:18 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

Desperado Wrote:
Lucky . . .

Your dreams are part of consciousness. The brain continues to fire while sleeping. It is the body that shuts off.

Exactly. It holds our continuity.

If what made us who we are were to shut off completely, we would cease to exist. So, we dream.

A very good point. Cut off the power and the program goes bye bye.