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**A. R. K.**

smerve Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
The universe can actually literally be billions and billions of years old yet still have spawned into existence a mere 6,000 years ago. Or yesterday. I would explain it if I thought I would be understood. It's elegantly simple actually, but maybe you don't want to know ~ spoiler you know.

"I would explain it if I thought I would be understood"

Please go ahead and explain it.

There's sure to be somebody on LOP who will understand it.

Some of us are mycelial minded chuckle

**Axx** lop guest User ID: 99539 06-18-2012 01:42 AM

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:

Axx Wrote:
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:
There are only sparse words supporting the idea that Jesus took the creation story and the flood literally. Obviously the words are either figurative not exactly what Jesus said or simply writer embellishments.

Your words-words of a man vs God's word. God wins.

Jesus was/is the Creator.

1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

John 1:1-3,10,11 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made...He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came to his own, and his own received him not.

Rv.22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last...I Jesus have sent my angel to testify to you these things in the churches.

Its a parable by Jesus which is in story form.

here are more example:

The Great Banquet, Luke 14:15-24
The Fig Tree, Luke 13:1-9
The Prodigal Son, Luke 15:1-2; 11-32
The Good Samaritan, Luke 10:25-37
The Unjust Steward, Luke 16:1-8

Parables start be "there once was a certain man" or "consider the parable".

Jesus was/is the Creator. It's right in the 4th commandment, and it is no parable.

There is no proof for the evotard theories or billions of fantastic ages claimed by them. Indeed, were there any such real ages the entire continents would have eroded away along with those fossils--formed in the global flood just 4500 ybp.

http://creation.com/eroding-ages

Fossils: Millions of years?
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/...ified.html
Polystrate fossils
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polystrate_fossil

**smerve**

NEESIE Wrote:

smerve Wrote:
NEESIE Wrote:
sorry OP, God bless you for trying. but even if you had rock solid proof you would not be able to convince certain people. They are laughing now, it remains to be seen if they will be laughing later.

"if you had rock solid proof"

Has OP produced any proof that is independent from religious text?

oh yes, it was a very good video, hardly mentions the bible at all. the man speaking was a chemist and was showing the errors with our so called DATING METHODS and how quickly things can become a fossil and showing modern day artifacts that had turned to stone in just a few years time. If you don't watch it, you will be missing a real learning experience.

"the errors with our so called DATING METHODS"

What year was the flood?

~~I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ~~

Axx Wrote:

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:
Axx Wrote:
Your words-words of a man vs God's word. God wins.

Jesus was/is the Creator.

1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

John 1:1-3,10,11 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made...He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came to his own, and his own received him not.

Rv.22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last...I Jesus have sent my angel to testify to you these things in the churches.

Its a parable by Jesus which is in story form.

here are more example:

The Great Banquet, Luke 14:15-24
The Fig Tree, Luke 13:1-9
The Prodigal Son, Luke 15:1-2; 11-32
The Good Samaritan, Luke 10:25-37
The Unjust Steward, Luke 16:1-8

Parables start be "there once was a certain man" or "consider the parable".

Jesus was/is the Creator. It's right in the 4th commandment, and it is no parable.

There is no proof for the evotard theories or billions of fantastic ages claimed by them. Indeed, were there any such real ages the entire continents would have eroded away along with those fossils--formed in the global flood just 4500 ybp.

http://creation.com/eroding-ages

Fossils: Millions of years?
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/...ified.html
Polystrate fossils
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polystrate_fossil

Jesus’ parables teach a series of moral concepts using the culture of the times. Though the parables have much to offer to us in the present day via a casual reading, they have even more to offer when we understand the culture of the time and examine them in that light. For instance, in the story of the Prodigal son, when the son asked for his father’s inheritance, that was equivalent to saying he didn’t care if his father lived or died. He just wanted his money. Why? Because a son never ever asked for an inheritance until after the death of his parent. To do so prematurely was to imply he wished his parent’s death.

Parables used familiar symbols so the listener could relate and, if need be, be shocked. Whatever the outcome in the hearer, the parables required a response. Either the hearer was to change a behavior, or a thought, or a belief, or something else. But change is the reason for the parables.

http://carm.org/

**Axx** lop guest User ID: 99539 06-18-2012 01:49 AM

smerve Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
The universe can actually literally be billions and billions of years old yet still have spawned into existence a mere 6,000 years ago. Or yesterday. I would explain it if I thought I would be understood. It's elegantly simple actually, but maybe you don't want to know ~ spoiler you know.

"I would explain it if I thought I would be understood"

Please go ahead and explain it.

There's sure to be somebody on LOP who will understand it.

Certainly (although that was not my post!)

We are told God created Adam and Eve, trees and the animal kingdom. He did not create them as babies.. they were fully grown, we are told.

That was day 6. On day 4 God said let there be stars in the heaven and he made the light all visible.

This is how we are told the entire universe came to be. But, can we date the event?

Yes. Supernovas are observed and record for us a biblical age of the universe.

According to astronomical observations, galaxies like our own experience about one supernova (a violently-exploding star) every 25 years. The gas and dust remnants from such explosions (like the Crab Nebula) expand outward rapidly and should remain visible for over a million years. Yet the nearby parts of our galaxy in which we could observe such gas and dust shells contain only 274 supernova remnants. That number is consistent with only about 7,000 years worth of supernovas.

According to their [Astronomers] model, the SNR should reach a diameter of about 300 light years after 120,000 years. So if our galaxy was billions of years old, we should be able to observe many SNRs this size. But if our galaxy is 6,000-10,000 years old, no SNRs would have had time to reach this size. So the number of observed SNRs of a particular size is an excellent test of whether the galaxy is old or young. In fact, the results are consistent with a universe thousands of years old, but are a puzzle if the universe has existed for billions of years.
http://creation.com/exploding-stars-poin...g-universe
http://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/surveys/snrs

Also, we can look here on earth and find earth was never a molten mass as evolution 'big bang' theories claim. Thus earth did not cool down of bazzillions of years confirming the biblical account again.

Granite is not igneous

(Radiohalos in Radiochronological and Cosmological Perspective. Gentry, R.V., Science 184, 62, 1974)
http://www.halos.com/reports/science-197...ective.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEMDqTxfkmM

**Axx** lop guest User ID: 99539 06-18-2012 01:52 AM

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:

Jesus’ parables teach a series of moral concepts using the culture of the times. Though the parables have much to offer to us in the present day via a casual reading, they have even more to offer when we understand the culture of the time and examine them in that light. For instance, in the story of the Prodigal son, when the son asked for his father’s inheritance, that was equivalent to saying he didn’t care if his father lived or died. He just wanted his money. Why? Because a son never ever asked for an inheritance until after the death of his parent. To do so prematurely was to imply he wished his parent’s death.

Parables used familiar symbols so the listener could relate and, if need be, be shocked. Whatever the outcome in the hearer, the parables required a response. Either the hearer was to change a behavior, or a thought, or a belief, or something else. But change is the reason for the parables.

http://carm.org/

That website will not support your false beliefs about factual Bible histories including the scientific global flood.

**dig** · (This post was last modified: 06-18-2012 01:56 AM by dig.)

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:

Axx Wrote:
ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:
Yes I know that Jesus was a man. But there is no proof making him Christ.

Jesus existing and dying on a cross, the body turning up missing and advent of Christianity all confirm the Biblical account.

Nazareth Inscription

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth_Inscription

I believe Jesus was the son of God but I cant proove this is why I dont say I can prove it cuz then I would have to. On the balance of evidence I believe theism more plausible than atheism.

What a f*cking cop out ,you can't prove it one way or the other....but on the basis of not being able to prove it, you come up with, you can't prove it?
You're stuck m8.
And theism more plausible?
On the balance of evidence you believe, which is the same thing as no proof..... theism more plausible than atheism.
Are not the two actually the same based on what you just said?

**A. R. K.** · (This post was last modified: 06-18-2012 01:55 AM by A. R. K..)

Then there are the many indigenous legends of a great flood and a remnant who were warned and saved.

I'm going with the polar shift/warned by aliens theory chuckle

**smerve**

NEESIE Wrote:

Johnny Ringo Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Actually, the entire UNIVERSE is 6000 years old. Scientists are wrong about claims otherwise.

um.... are you aware that we have measured the speed of light and that with telescopes on satellites we can triangulate distance as well as.. omfg

our creator was strong enough to place stars and planets a long way off,

the scriptures indicate that God loves Stars. He even named them all. the same way he knows how many hairs you have on your head.
He should because he designed you.

"he designed you"

Are you talking about Intelligent Design?

~~I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ~~

Axx Wrote:

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:
Jesus’ parables teach a series of moral concepts using the culture of the times. Though the parables have much to offer to us in the present day via a casual reading, they have even more to offer when we understand the culture of the time and examine them in that light. For instance, in the story of the Prodigal son, when the son asked for his father’s inheritance, that was equivalent to saying he didn’t care if his father lived or died. He just wanted his money. Why? Because a son never ever asked for an inheritance until after the death of his parent. To do so prematurely was to imply he wished his parent’s death.

Parables used familiar symbols so the listener could relate and, if need be, be shocked. Whatever the outcome in the hearer, the parables required a response. Either the hearer was to change a behavior, or a thought, or a belief, or something else. But change is the reason for the parables.

http://carm.org/

That website will not support your false beliefs about factual Bible histories including the scientific global flood.

It is not a fact because it cant be proven its a belief now if you have something that will prove it true there must be millions that would love to know.

~~I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ~~

dig Wrote:

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:
Axx Wrote:
Jesus existing and dying on a cross, the body turning up missing and advent of Christianity all confirm the Biblical account.

Nazareth Inscription

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth_Inscription

I believe Jesus was the son of God but I cant proove this is why I dont say I can prove it cuz then I would have to. On the balance of evidence I believe theism more plausible than atheism.
What a f*cking cop out ,you can't prove it one way or the other....but on the basis of not being able to prove it, you come up with, you can't prove it?
You're stuck m8.
And theism more plausible?
On the balance of evidence you believe, which is the same thing as no proof..... theism more plausible than atheism.
Are not the two actually the same based on what you just said?

If I said that I know for sure that God exists then I would have the burden to prove the claim.

**Axx** lop guest User ID: 99539 06-18-2012 02:04 AM

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:

It is not a fact because it cant be proven its a belief now if you have something that will prove it true there must be millions that would love to know.

Millions do know the global flood is a fact. It has already been proven still unrefuted!

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-earth-is...pid3590328

**dig**

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:

If I said that I know for sure that God exists then I would have the burden to prove the claim.

But no one has ever had that burden, thank God.
Perhaps he doesn't and people can allude to it but God forgive those who deny. On pain of death.

**Axx** lop guest User ID: 99539 06-18-2012 02:05 AM

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:

If I said that I know for sure that God exists then I would have the burden to prove the claim.

Jesus was here 2000 years ago. The Bible says he was/is God & Creator. The Bible is confirmed repeatedly with a long HISTORY & SCIENCE.

~~I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ~~

Axx Wrote:

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ Wrote:
It is not a fact because it cant be proven its a belief now if you have something that will prove it true there must be millions that would love to know.

Millions do know the global flood is a fact. It has already been proven still unrefuted!

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-earth-is...pid3590328

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