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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 58538 02-21-2012 11:41 PM

Aalia Wrote:

bigleftboob Wrote:
I wish I could free myself from my fear won't someone help me......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBBwBroAz6E

He will probably like that music and not even notice the title.

**FreedomStands** · (This post was last modified: 02-21-2012 11:58 PM by FreedomStands.)

Vegas Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
Vegas Wrote:
I still can't seem to comprehend why a person with a particular belief system really cares what another human being chooses to believe... Why are they so intent on trying to force their beliefs on others... Reminds me of a used car salesman that hasn't met his quota for the month...

Whenever anyone is insistent on forcing their ways or beliefs on others, that is the first red flag to turn and run the other way...

It has nothing to do with religion, it is about control...

Yeah, the problem with that idea is that Islam actually doesn't have any centralized control, the Shia and the Iranian theocracy are a minority, the Sunni are the majority, and mainstream Islam recognizes no single leader, or any leader, imams are mostly just people who hang out at a mosque and lead prayers and say some stuff, but they are essentially nobody, and Islam isn't like Catholicism with a Pope and councils, or like Mormonism with a President and living Prophet.

Sure they do... Like every religion, their belief is their control system... The instilled belief systems in religion are stronger control mechanisms than any human leader or organization... Those belief systems have been handed down from somewhere... They just didn't sprout up one day...

The fact that all religions claim their way and only their way is the right way (control) is what has turned me away from all of them and caused me to develop my own beliefs and ignore name brand religion... I may be wrong but that is the beauty of choice...

The Qur'an says that anyone who believes in and worships God and does good deeds like charity will have their reward with God, and those who do evil such as hurting people will face the consequences if they don't amend their conduct and turn towards goodness.

So I don't know, seems kind of like a universal message about God and good works, rather than a control structure really. Even if it started in a control fashion, right now it is totally not under any control, the muslims are all on their own pretty much.

The Qur'an clearly says, there is to be no compulsion in religion, and that unlike what Christians and Jews say about the paradise in the afterlife being exclusively for them, it is for absolutely anyone who believes and worships the Ultimate God and does good works like charity and helping people and stuff.

The teachings of the Qur'an are pretty harmless I think. Contrary to popular propaganda, they don't actually tell people to just freely kill on a whim. It always says to do it in defense, never to attack, to seek an end to hostilities, to keep peace treaties, and other things like that but gives permission to kill when people are being attacked and killed and thrown out of their homes. Just basic self defense human rights stuff.

It has the most straightforward and basic theology and religious principles of any religion that I've studied.

It isn't really a "new" religion even, it was just trying to simplify things and re-introduce basic religious principles that were common around the world.

It also wasn't like the Bible which made it seem like only the B'nei Israel were getting any attention.

The Qur'an says that everyone got a messenger who taught the same principles, and that anyone from anywhere can get to paradise if they worship God and do good.

It also says no people, ethnicity, or nationality is superior to another, but everyone is equal, the best person being the one best in conduct.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 58538 02-22-2012 12:02 AM

FreedomStands Wrote:

Vegas Wrote:
FreedomStands Wrote:
Yeah, the problem with that idea is that Islam actually doesn't have any centralized control, the Shia and the Iranian theocracy are a minority, the Sunni are the majority, and mainstream Islam recognizes no single leader, or any leader, imams are mostly just people who hang out at a mosque and lead prayers and say some stuff, but they are essentially nobody, and Islam isn't like Catholicism with a Pope and councils, or like Mormonism with a President and living Prophet.

Sure they do... Like every religion, their belief is their control system... The instilled belief systems in religion are stronger control mechanisms than any human leader or organization... Those belief systems have been handed down from somewhere... They just didn't sprout up one day...

The fact that all religions claim their way and only their way is the right way (control) is what has turned me away from all of them and caused me to develop my own beliefs and ignore name brand religion... I may be wrong but that is the beauty of choice...

The Qur'an says that anyone who believes in and worships God and does good deeds like charity will have their reward with God, and those who do evil such as hurting people will face the consequences if they don't amend their conduct and turn towards goodness.....

**FreedomStands**

LoP Guest Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
Vegas Wrote:
Sure they do... Like every religion, their belief is their control system... The instilled belief systems in religion are stronger control mechanisms than any human leader or organization... Those belief systems have been handed down from somewhere... They just didn't sprout up one day...

The fact that all religions claim their way and only their way is the right way (control) is what has turned me away from all of them and caused me to develop my own beliefs and ignore name brand religion... I may be wrong but that is the beauty of choice...

The Qur'an says that anyone who believes in and worships God and does good deeds like charity will have their reward with God, and those who do evil such as hurting people will face the consequences if they don't amend their conduct and turn towards goodness.....

The word "Islam" is supposed to be a universal thing, that anyone who "surrenders" to the understanding that there is only One Ultimate Power that controls all harm and benefit and judgment, one comes to terms with reality and finds peace. It isn't exclusive to arabs or anything, or even arab culture. It has taken on a distinct flavor of traditions, but the message of the Qur'an seems pretty universal and general. Back in the day, that fashion of worship wasn't uncommon, and it was even more common as one regresses through the past ages. It was the common mode of worship for Jews and Christians, but also everyone else across the globe from Africa and Egypt to China and Japan, so it wasn't telling people anything new at all, that is why it often calls itself a "reminder" rather than a new message.

**FreedomStands** · (This post was last modified: 02-22-2012 12:25 AM by FreedomStands.)

So the control thing rests with the Qur'an as the main node of promoting the "meme" or control model. It is a book that no one can edit or change though, since no one allows changes to be made to it. The Book of Mormon is under the control of the LDS Church and they have edited it tremendously and can ultimately change things to whatever they want, and decide new policies and things, so that is a true control structure where there is an actual group in control.

Other than that, the people are generally free to do and think what they want, but if they adhere to the Qur'an there are certain things they aren't supposed to do, like drinking alcohol, gambling, fornicating, and stuff like that which would qualify them as a follower or not in the eyes of most other muslims.

In the end, since so many are leaving Christianity because it becomes increasingly absurd seeming, I think the two biggest factions will be believers in the Qur'an and those who are atheists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HTSwUig2-0

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 58538 02-22-2012 12:15 AM

here is one for boob..

http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=154&chapter=1

**Aalia** · (This post was last modified: 02-22-2012 02:27 AM by Aalia.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

Aalia Wrote:
bigleftboob Wrote:
I wish I could free myself from my fear won't someone help me......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBBwBroAz6E

He will probably like that music and not even notice the title.

Hey man I like Dimmu Borgir

Jus sayin >.>

But my guess is BLB probably would like this song/video way better, you know...being as he is all about waging war in foreign lands and all. This is right up his alley.

Let chaos entwine on defenseless soil!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVMhvboMRC0

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 58538 02-22-2012 02:34 AM

Thats not exactly my cuppa tea, but each to their own and live and let live. You got my point regardless :-)

wonder if boob will return to this bait thread... drums fingers

**Frak**

If the TV or some other idiot said it.... IT MUST BE TRUE! (if it's what I want to believe anyway)
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